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[opensuse-project] Release Cycle Changes
by James Tremblay aka SLEducator 06 Jan '09

06 Jan '09

Sorry For the double post, I wanted to start a new thread. What if? The system was, "11 boxed" (SLE11rc1) and openSUSE 12.0 where the same ISO (with branding and repo changes), I'm suggesting three layers of release; dev, tester , "Joe Plumber"\SLE. For all Novell Linux "Nightly" repo would be for internal development - aka unstable "Factory" could be the community "devs" repo and provide 12.0.X, 12.1.X, etc. released quarterly and the only place to include new kernel and desktop changes but never in X.3.X A "tester", could install with the 12 ISO which had "factory-update" as its repo, then 12.1 would be an update\add-on\upgrade, the same for 12.2, etc. preferably still on 9 month cycle and released as a delta iso (smaller bandwidth) Using a "Delta" or cumulative type release format could take most of the work out of bug-fixing the "boxed" release. Joe, doesn't have to think much , he goes straight for "11 boxed" and can stay there until "13 boxed"(or "12 boxed" if he really wants an upgrade), otherwise grab 12.x iso and work with us. I think we can all agree that the initial install is what the community(aka "joe" and some testers)most dislike, I am told this is mostly do to kernel and major desktop changes. By scheduling these things early in our release development and with the "boxed" being built from a known kernel and desktop, this issue should disappear. Yes? When applications fail during release it's usually because there wasn't enough testing. Yes? I believe it's causing to many issues to add or wait to add a new kernel or desktop release just because it happens to be close to our next release. These need to done in the early (i.e.12.0.x-12.1.x)releases. The goal for boxed is for "Joe" who simply wants to replace Windows with ease.( a growing group of people according to Apples sales numbers). He doesn't care about a stale Gnome,KDE or openOffice if it works. He does care that if his HD dies he can reinstall everything including peripheral applications provided for, but not included in, the distro. By Defining a "dev" level, we invite people who literally develop openSUSE and components specific to openSUSE to contribute to sub-releases, which lets them test small changes on a faster pace. By defining a layer as "tester", we invite those who want to be part of the development and expect issues. Sysadmins and Application Engineers looking to make a specific application work better. By defining a "Boxed" version, we invite more of the general public to use openSUSE with confidence. By making these definitions clear, we take away the reviewers ability to complain about our missteps if he is reviewing "tester" or "dev" releases. Changing the release cycle and the release itself to a more reliable and consistent product would look like this: 12.0 -security fixes until 12.1 there is no need to support the testing layer any longer than the next release. 12.0.X - no more than 3 months and no less then 1.5 months from 12.0 - Repo only - no patches provided. (Quarterly releases) 12.1 - no more then 9 months from 12.0 - Repo and "Add-On"\Patch CD\Delta ISO - same support as 12.0 12.2 - "" 18 months"" 12.3 - ""24 months"" 12 "boxed" \ openSUSE 13- no more then 27 months from 12.0 - ISO and retail box - subscription updates and installation support for no less than 24 months. Realistically not a big change, but the change to a structured cumulative development cycle with early kernel and desktop updates as well as 3 months dedicated to "boxing" would go a long way politically. -- James Tremblay openSIS Product Specialist http://www.os4ed.com CNE 3,4,5 MCSE w2k CLE in training Registered Linux user #440182 http://en.opensuse.org/education -- James Tremblay openSIS Product Specialist http://www.os4ed.com CNE 3,4,5 MCSE w2k CLE in training Registered Linux user #440182 http://en.opensuse.org/education -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Buildserver for OSS on AIX
by Hans-Joachim Ehlers 05 Jan '09

05 Jan '09

Hi, sorry for jumping in with a pretty off topic question but at least it’s a place to start. I would like to create a build server for OSS running on AIX since the support from IBM for OSS on AIX is pretty marginal. The software versions build for AIX shall be equal to a given SLES version. This gives the opportunity to run the same software on AIX and Linux. An AIX server and compiler are available and reachable via the internet. So the question I have: - Is this the right group to ask question about the OpenSuse Build server and services ? - Is there any documentation about the Suse Build Service ? - Does the OpenSuse build system is sutiable /usable for such a task ? tia Hajo -- Hans-Joachim Ehlers Unix System Engineer

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[opensuse-project] GCC RPMs and symbolic links
by Ian Nelson 05 Jan '09

05 Jan '09

I see that the GCC package installs binaries with a version suffix and creates a link. gcc43 install /usr/bin/gcc-4.3 and gcc-4.3 installs the symbolic link gcc->gcc-4.3. I've been hacking on an RPM for LLVM 2.4 and Ada has been giving me some issues, gnatmake and gnatlink and gnatbind are installed with a suffix but no link and the GCC frontend configure script doesn't work with that. Is this a defect? Against which package? It seems as if it is but I know that probably isn't that popular. Ian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] FOSDEM 2009: CFP & more information ...
by Martin Lasarsch 28 Dec '08

28 Dec '08

Hi internal suse list is on bcc:, reply to: is set to opensuse-project. Today i received the confirmation that openSUSE will have a devroom @ FOSEM 2009! Yay! Because it's a little bit earlier next year (2008-02-07/08), we should start right now with the the planing. If you have no idea what FOSDEM is: http://www.fosdem.org/2009/ http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-marketing/2008-11/msg00025.html http://en.opensuse.org/FOSDEM2009 (previous years linked at the end) * CFP So lets start with the call for papers. We always have quite a big crowd of SUSE/Novell staff at FOSDEM, but we want more community talks. So if you have an idea for a presentation, please send it to the list. Yes, i said idea, not if you want to make it. If you want to make it: perfect. If not: we might find someone who can. In the end it's about interesting presentations the community want to hear. Please look at the old schedules to get an idea what happened the last years, or even watch the videos. The official deadline is not really announced (i just says 3 weeks before the event), but because i want to book the hotel this year (before 15.12) it would be appreciated that we do it a little bit faster this time. This is for SUSE/Novell staff only important, but it would be nice to have a full schedule quite early this time. * booth if you want, you can help us at the booth. So far we never had a problem doing that with SUSE/Novell staff, but it makes more fun with YOU! :-) If you have some fresh ideas how to improve the booth ... otherwise it will be again 2 laptops with big displays. * travel So far i made no decision which hotel we will use. For general travel information look at the official FOSDEM page. SUSE/Novell staff: talk with your manager if he will pay for the travel. Even if you don't plan to do a presentation for openSUSE, contact me for booking the hotel/flight. * wiki If you think you will participate at FOSDEM, enter your name at the wikipage if you want. -- with kind regards, Martin Lasarsch, Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nürnberg GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) martin.lasarsch(a)suse.de - http://www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] OpenSUSE 11.1 Review
by Eric Springer 25 Dec '08

25 Dec '08

Hi all, I'm writing a review of OpenSUSE 11.1 and having just written an early draft of it -- I'd like to ask for some community feedback before anything gets finalized. Perhaps replies to the criticism, back stories, or anything else you think should be included / omitted. I have temporarily housed the rough draft at: http://www.erikina.com/reviews/opensuse-review.html Kind Regards, Eric Springer. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Weekly News: Call for contribution
by Sascha 'saigkill' Manns 25 Dec '08

25 Dec '08

Hello Friends, i'm Sascha Manns from the Weekly News. In the last issues we had the Section "New/Updated Applications" in the Weekly News. We plan to have one KDE and one GNOME Program and one other. Me myself works in the KDE Ground and OBS. For GNOME i have an RSS-Feed (Gnomefiles.org). But if the Feed info me for an new/updated Application, this not means, that the OBS hosted this Version. My wish is to find an GNOME-Programmer for OBS, who writes regularly for the Weekly News Section. Is it possible for you, to write regularly one Article per Issue about an new GNOME-Program in OBS? You can see new Programs quicker than me :-) Have a nice XMAS... -- Sincereley yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Marketing Team (Weekly News) openSUSE Build Service Web: http://saschamanns.gulli.to Blog: http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/saigkill -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] organised debugging
by jdd 24 Dec '08

24 Dec '08

rmatov101(a)charter.net said: > Well, here is what I see. > > Problems in development release that scare 99% of todays users: > 1) boot configuration setup is black box, there is no list of supported (to that moment tested) boot configurations. Actually there is no public specification what should go in this list: partitions, file system, permanent storage, (anything else) probably first thing to do now > 2) kernel will not boot on certain hardware, how to debug this. > Reporting this requires a lot of text to be copied, once you make to the usable configuration. Some simple numeric indicator like line number, or breakpoint number will help much more. It is easy to note on the paper, and easy to post. Splash screen during first phase of development that can have kernel crashes, should be forbidden. * better, we should have test cd's with only the basic stuff (no install), but a debugging output, with copy to a disk if possible or to the screen if not. * creating special, test time cd's should be the next goal > 3) X crashes, and nothing tells that Failsafe option offers a GUI (it should be named "Failsafe Graphic Mode") > 4) will not log in default desktop, or desktop crashes, but alternative to change desktop is in the login screen at the bottom left corner, but how many will click on barely visible text (kdm). This is good for release. Please make life of a tester easier, and provide list, not drop down menu, > 6) ... what we need is *test* software. I'm ready to run any software on my computer, not involving install nor destroying the present config. Soe could be used with current openSUSE install, others on boot only. there was a beginning on this respect to send hardware config, but it was so confusing I don't even know what was sent What do we have to test, in the beginning? * All the specific suse things: mostly called YaST or SaX * kde/gnome integration for all this, specific test should be done, specially for all the new stuff nobody know else than the developpers, so script tests or test paper sheets and online forms jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-eic8MSSfM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Why Simultaneous Net & Box Set Release?
by Rob OpenSuSE 23 Dec '08

23 Dec '08

So we have problems scheduling releases, due to difficulty of shipping physical disks. Bugs found in -RC1, don't get fixed for GM, despite tested fixes being available more than a week before release. There's some feeling been shown by Novell staff, that too few ppl are testing Beta's and RC's. Some reviewers, complain about quality of release, and user 'acceptance testing'. Certainly in my experience, 10.3 took a month to get solid. This time, I've found a regression in 11.1 on a different, for a machine that I got a kernel patch to fix in -RC1. If the media is not going to become a Coaster, if it's going to be really useful, and be something that installs really widely on supported hardware without opening the case, or entering geeky boot parameters. Why doesn't openSUSE ship, a net .0 (for uh oh) release, for the early adopters on the net, and then go to GM with a X.Y.1 release, once the stuff has stabilised? May be that'd jeopardise box set sales? But if that's tried for 11.2, then : 11.2.0 - Core System, KDE 4.3, GNOME 2.24 (Net Only) 11.2.1 - Core + fixes, KDE 4.3 + fixes, GNOME 2.28 (Final, Physical Media, plus updates DVD ISO's and Live CD's) There's a huge amount of time getting wasted on intall over the product life cycle, and you may well have to update Net Install and Live CD iso's anyway for 11.1 when huge swathes of common hardeware that ppl try it on don't work acceptably. When installing is a pain, it makes us loathe to mess with it, and less likely to help when something labelled 'alpha' comes along a few months later, because the expectation is for it to be problematic, when the main release was. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] http://en.opensuse.org/Released_Version#Downloads broken links
by Peter Poeml 22 Dec '08

22 Dec '08

Hi, the download links at the bottom of http://en.opensuse.org/Released_Version#Downloads are more ore less broken. I removed the obsolete cd/ and dvd/ directories, and fixed the arch in the template from i386 to i586, but now the CD links are still broken, because they are i686. I can't fix it, but maybe somebody else can. Thanks, Peter -- Contact: admin(a)opensuse.org (a.k.a. ftpadmin(a)suse.com) #opensuse-mirrors on freenode.net Info: http://en.opensuse.org/Mirror_Infrastructure SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development

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[opensuse-project] openSuSE 11.1 HD4650 slow with radeonHD
by Joop Boonen 22 Dec '08

22 Dec '08

All, I've just installed openSuSE on my system. I found out that radeonhd driver is very slow with my HD4650 card. I've used this card before with openSuSE 11.0 and the fglrx driver this was much faster. Resolution 1900*1200 processor sempron 2500+ 1.4 GHz. openSuSE 11.1 radeonhd 120 fps openSuSE 11.0 fglrx 600 fps The fglrx repository doesn't exist for openSuSE 11.1 yet. Regards, Joop Boonen. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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