September 2019 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] How we will use the GSoC money
by Vincent Untz 18 Jul '24

18 Jul '24

Hi, (let's see how a public discussion about money goes :-)) The Google Summer of Code brings us great students, but also means that the openSUSE project will get $8000 (if I'm not mistaken) at the end of the summer. That's $500 per student. A while ago, I requested comments on my blog about what to do with the money, but didn't get any feedback. So I take this as "do what you feel is best", and this mail is about the plan. As a reminder, the main issue is that we will likely not have the openSUSE Foundation created in time for this. For instance, Google would like us to get some form filled before the end of June; this is not a mandatory timeline, but I think it shows that we won't be ready with the Foundation for that. The current plan is to give that money to another organization we feel close to, and I have two candidates in mind: - the Software Freedom Conservancy (http://sfconservancy.org/) it's a really nice org that provides a home for various cool projects (see http://sfconservancy.org/members/current/) and those projects help make openSUSE a great project. - the Desktop Summit (https://www.desktopsummit.org/) it's one of the biggest event this year, and this would help us have some more visibility (since we'd be sponsors, I guess). I'm sure they would welcome this to secure their budget. Note that an alternative solution would be to leave the money to Google for a future GSoC or similar program, but I feel it's better to use the money where it can make a difference today. Now, it's not too late to change the plan. If you have a better suggestion, please tell us. There's no need to argue forever about it, just explain why you think it's good. Keep in mind that if we cannot receive the money ourselves, this also means that we cannot use it to buy stuff for openSUSE. Pavol and I will take the final decision since we are the GSoC admins for openSUSE. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] huge amount of SPAM on opensuse-connect
by christian.imhorst＠posteo.de 02 Jun '21

02 Jun '21

Hi, Am Do., 21. Feb. 2019 um 15:32 Uhr schrieb Lars Vogdt <Lars.Vogdt(a)suse.com>: As such, maintaining 447 [1] openSUSE members should not depend on a single tool. Especially not if the used tool has open, well known security issues since years[2]. On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 11:41:19 +0100 Richard Brown wrote: > This isn't the first time I've asked this question on a public stage, > but in the hope that this time I get an answer; > Who volunteers to tackle the problem with connect.o.o and drive > forward a solution? I made my proposal already and I stand the point: shut down an insecure system! what does "drive forward a solution" mean? Can we integrate the functions of connect.o.o into other services at openSUSE which are allready maintained like the openSUSE wiki? A form for travel support for example? An application for membership could be done by e-mail to an e-mail address of the membership officials. Elections could be done with an eVote software like https://github.com/mdipierro/evote for example, but probably there are better tools. What did I miss? I think Lars is right an we should shutdown this insecure system as soon as possible. Regards Christian Imhorst -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] NNTP gateway to forums.o@o.o
by Knurpht-openSUSE 26 Feb '20

26 Feb '20

Hi all, Since the current NNTP gateway by MicoFocus is being shutdown from Wed 19th of June, there will temporarily be none. Meanwhile some of our community members are working on replacing it, announcements about this will follow a.s.a.p. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Project name and logo discussion
by Stasiek Michalski 26 Oct '19

26 Oct '19

Hi, I am myself afraid of this email, because this is about the basis of the community, distributions, plans for foundation etc... Any change in regards to all things outlined here will be controversial and will have huge influence on the future of openSUSE as a whole. Take this very seriously, but also don't take it too seriously because it doesn't change the way community operates, but instead how it ends up being represented. As mentioned in my talk week ago, I would like to change the openSUSE logo to break it off of SUSE branding, however as Richard rightfully pointed out, the suggestion should also mention changing the name of community and distributions, to remove the `SUSE` part of `openSUSE`, on top of a few other issues that are unrelated to foundation talks. [1,2] We do need to tackle this now, considering we are going through vital parts of the talks of the Foundation, and both trademarks are planned to be transferred at some point, but it might be best to start off the foundation with the name and logo that isn't necessarily tied to SUSE brand for easier legal proceedings between SUSE and the project, depending on the community outlook on the ideas. openSUSE logo issues: * older version of SUSE logo, which is similar enough to be confusing, also will require agreement between future openSUSE Foundation and SUSE to use the logo * colour is too bright and light to stand out well on light backgrounds [3] * button variant looks the same as SUSE logo buttons, with the only exception being colour (and SUSE tends to use similar green for buttons they haven't updated in a long time) For current proposals, and to propose more visit: https://github.com/openSUSE/branding/issues/93 openSUSE name issues: * contains `SUSE`, which will require agreement between future openSUSE Foundation and SUSE to use the name (we will need this anyway, because we will support older releases, but at least there would be some exit strategy when everything goes south built into the name of the foundation) * we are endlessly complaining about wrong capitalization (and will for the rest of time), even SUSE has it easier with "only" SuSE, SuSe and Suse [4] * FSF complains about `open`, although that works with openness of the collaboration, more than `free` or `libre` would (not to mention that we do have non-free repos) [5] There has obviously been a lot of suggestions here, from various contributors, stuff like `Viridian Foundation` works quite well for the purposes of the naming, because it references SUSE, while not being directly tied to SUSE name (although it might be too generic and hard to type). More important than the name itself however is to decide if we want to change the logo and/or the name at all, or we want to leave everything as is. If we do decide for a change there we will be able to choose the name and the logo through a vote, I or some other designer will just have to design and fix up logos proposed by the community for the vote (like it was previously done with the YaST mascot/logo, which looked crude before the redesign, but was a great community idea). [6] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAgkMlCZiP4 [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUZmc4CXzFQ [3] https://contrast-ratio.com/#%2373ba25-on-white [4] https://i.imgur.com/ySr4JAA.png [5] https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html#openSUSE [6] https://github.com/yast/yast-theme/commit/1cdb9e9c2545ba1604f8bdf88864e9ae9… LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] 2019-09-03 board meeting minutes
by Christian Boltz 16 Oct '19

16 Oct '19

Hello, here are the minutes of the 2019-09-03 board meeting. You can also read them on https://en.opensuse.org/Archive:Board_meeting_2019-09-03 Absent: Gerald (in 4am timezone until early October) == Name voting == Simon will write an introduction letter listing pros and cons. Options will be "keep openSUSE" vs. "change the name", but we won't propose alternative names. If the result is "change", we'll have a second vote for the new name. == Board-internal communication channels == The board is evaluating open source options to replace hangouts and the whatsapp group. == Meetings == Gerald arranged for meetings of the board with people inside SUSE to discuss budget and IT infrastructure topics. Regards, Christian Boltz -- Durr, shouldn't send emails before having my morning coffee. [Steve Beattie in apparmor] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Election Committee Set to Open Vote on Project Name
by Ish Sookun 16 Oct '19

16 Oct '19

Dear members, Following discussions about the “openSUSE Project logo & name change” that started in June on the openSUSE Project mailing list [1], the Election Committee received a request from the Board to conduct a vote whereby openSUSE members can indicate whether they are for or against the project name change. The voting will start on Oct 10 and end on Oct 31, which will provide three weeks for members to vote. The result will be announced on Nov 1. The voting exercise is limited to openSUSE members only. The voting procedure will be similar to the board elections. Members will receive a voting link on their membership email alias, i.e @opensuse.org. Members should verify that their openSUSE email alias is working and redirecting to the correct email address. If you experience troubles with your email alias, please email admin(a)opensuse.org to resolve the issue. Members who wish to change the target address of their email alias can do so by sending the change request to admin(a)opensuse.org. Those who wish to become an openSUSE member they can apply for membership by following the instructions specified on the openSUSE Wiki page [2]. The Election Committee can be reached through election-officials(a)opensuse.org. [1] https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2019-06/ [2] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members Regards, Ish Sookun (from the Election Committee) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Changing the Chair of the Board
by Thomas Di Giacomo 05 Oct '19

05 Oct '19

> After six years on the openSUSE Board and five as its Chairperson, I have decided to step down as Chair of the openSUSE Board effective today, August 19. Richard, thank you so much for everything you've done for the openSUSE project(s), the community, the people (incl. sense of humour and really stretched jokes like well the... brexit one :)), and for SUSE too. You'll be deeply missed in your chair role, even though still involved and contributing from a variety of angles. > Gerald has been a regular source of advice & support during my tenure as Chairperson. In particular, I will always remember my first visit to FOSDEM as openSUSE Chair. Let's see how Gerald will dress up now, for his first live appearance as chair :) Really happy and excited that Gerald has accepted the challenge and together with the board, the community and SUSE folks, looking forward to keeping the good collaboration between openSUSE and SUSE and also to bringing improvements as much as we can. Best, ThomasN��r��y隊Z)z{.��k�7��맲��r��z�^�ˬz��N�(�֜��^� ޭ隊Z)z{.��k�7��0��Ǩ�

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[opensuse-project] Survey for shop.o.o.
by ddemaio 30 Sep '19

30 Sep '19

Hi all, @openSUSEneeds your input about shop.opensuse.org. We are looking at redoing the store and would like to know your thoughts. Take this short survey to help us determine a directions - https://forms.gle/sjrS9VkNvmJnrSDZ8 v/r Doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] OpenFest 2019, Sofia, Bulgaria - CfP will close soon
by mitko＠tuionui.com 24 Sep '19

24 Sep '19

Dear fellow Geekos, I would like to bring to your attention that the annual opensource event in Bulgaria (OpenFest 2019) is around the corner. More information here: http://www.openfest.org/2019/en/ There is one more week left until the CfP is closed. I am sure that you have something interesting to share. You can apply here: https://cfp.openfest.org/?locale=en Even if you do not want to apply or your application is not accepted, you are free to join us on the 2nd and 3rd of November. We will have a lot of fun! Guaranteed! 😊 * Please note that I am not related in any other way to the event, besides organizing the openSUSE info booth there. Regards, --- Dimitar Zahariev openSUSE Advocate | VMUG Bulgaria Co-Leader T1: +359 899 605 664 / T2: +359 888 181 115 E1: mitko(a)tuionui.com / E2: dimitar(a)zahariev.pro -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Project name change vote
by Ish Sookun 24 Sep '19

24 Sep '19

Hi all, We will have a Project name change vote and that process will be carried out using Helios, the same platform that we use to run openSUSE elections. Only openSUSE members are eligible to cast a vote and voting instructions are sent to the @opensuse.org member alias. Therefore, please make sure that your membership alias is forwarding emails to the correct email address. If any change is required to your email address you may contact heroes(a)opensuse.org to help you out. If you have any query regarding your membership status you may reach out to the membership officials through membership-officials(a)opensuse.org. Regards, Ish Sookun -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] New members procedure
by Carlos E. R. 23 Sep '19

23 Sep '19

Hi, I just learned that the recommended procedure for prospective new members is to write a profile on <https://connect.opensuse.org/> It is described here: <https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members#Detailed_steps_to_follow> You know that I am one of the two volunteers that watch for spam on the connect platform. I have been told that the platform is insecure, and in fact people remove their profile. I don't know if this claims are true or not, but I ask here for your consideration. For example, the other day a new user appeared, "rose25". Within a day, she made "friends" with possibly everybody on the platform, surely using a script, there is no other way to do thousands of friends. A few corresponded. Subsequently I banned her. Quickly another user appeared, "rose2525", but so far no activity I can can undoubtedly classify as "spam". However, some real users have made friends with her (like Malcolm Lewis, or Stefan Seyfried, but not listed later as such). I am suspicious and undecided. The point: I highly suspect that this "rose25" got the emails and personal data on the profiles of everybody. Thus I ask if would it not be better to modify the procedure for prospective new members to provide their "resume" in some other secure manner. I am a bit worried. I do not want to be blamed for breach of privacy (EU regulations etc) as I am 50% the active admin of that platform, which I barely understand. I do not take responsibility in such an event. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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[opensuse-project] Board meeting minutes 2019-08-20
by Knurpht-openSUSE 13 Sep '19

13 Sep '19

Absent with notification: Marina Present: Gerald Axel Simon Christian Gertjan Board welcomed Gerald Pfeifer as their new Chair Person, and introduced themselves. Other members informed Gerald about the things that are on the Board's table currently. Gerald shared first observations and thoughts, and infrastructure and budgets as two areas where he'd like to bring SUSE and the Board in closer contact. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] 2019-07-23 Board Meeting Minutes
by Christian Boltz 13 Sep '19

13 Sep '19

Hello, better late than never - here are the minutes of the 2019-07-23 board meeting. They were originally written by Richard, but he was too busy with his Brexit^W^Wpreparing the handover to Gerald, and forgot to send out the minutes. You can also read these minutes on https://en.opensuse.org/Archive:Board_meeting_2019-07-23 Absent: Marina == Infrastructure == Reminder bot was migrated to new server. Mailinglist server was down. == CEO == Richard introduced the new CEO to the Board, shared his first impressions, and shared Melissa's statements regarding the importance of openSUSE to SUSE and her commitment that SUSE will to continue supporting openSUSE and other communities SUSE is involved in. AI: Richard to forward to the Board the letter from Melissa. == Kubic trademark == Richard explained that SUSE has, on behalf of openSUSE, registered a Kubic trademark. It is not yet approved, but Logos/references/etc should start referring to Kubic "TM". Board will consider it an 'openSUSE Mark' for the purposes of the openSUSE Trademark Policy == Brand Transfer == DECISION: Board approved a draft mail to request SUSE transfer the openSUSE Marks, starting with the creation of a draft contract between SUSE and the to-be-created Foundation AI: Richard to send out approved draft on behalf of the Board == openSUSE Asia == Board discussed who is going to openSUSE Asia. Both Simon and Axel will be representing the Board at this community event. Regards, Christian Boltz -- Ein Schimpanse könnte das ändern. (Das mag daran liegen, daß ich nicht viel besser programmiere als ein Schimpanse - aber es läuft. :-) ) [Ratti in Fontlinge-devel] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] RFC: How to improve openSUSE websites
by Vinzenz Vietzke 12 Sep '19

12 Sep '19

Hi there, being relatively new to the openSUSE community over the past few weeks I've been digging through websites and wiki. Quite often I stepped into traps of unclear, misleading or just plain old content. This lead me to the conclusion that there's urgent need of restructuring lots of things. The following is a rough braindump strongly intended as RFC. I try to visualize my thoughts as good as possible with screenshots. # First sight The website opensuse.org in overall is looking good and I really like the coloring. But looking closer there is a lot of clutter which needs to be restructured. Important stuff needs to be visible at first glimpse. See the screenshot taken on a regular FullHD monitor [1] and try to tell what's this all about - imagining you don't know what openSUSE is. Why not tell at first sight: - this is a Linux distribution - this is how it looks like - these three things make it outstanding Positive examples as comparison: Fedora [2], Solus [3] # Getting information To get more details I have to scroll quite a lot and/or click very often in comparison to the amount of information I get in the end. The waste of space is too high and it should be reduced. Also these animations are quite annoying. Especially the bouncing circle when clicking on "How to contribute" > "Code" just to show a few sentences afterwards. # Consolidate information ## News News about ongoing development and information about achievements is one the crucial thing to be spead out widely. The "News" section on opensuse.org is just way too small and is just drowned out by the "Tools" and "Contribute" sections. So we should either remove it there completely and give it a separate page (See Solus Blog [4]). Or move it upwards on opensuse.org and make it way more prominent. At least linking to news.opensuse.org is useless and should be stopped (even more from a design perspective). Currently there are way too many places just to get news. Let me summarize it and - please correct me if I got something wrong: 1. opensuse.org It grabs first 2-3 sentences of a post and links to it on news.o.o. 2. news.opensuse.org This filled by Doug and (just guessing) members of news mailing list. 3. lizards.opensuse.org Looks exactly the same as news.o.o but consists of blog posts by devs and dev teams. The difference to news.o.o is stated nowhere, the reasons for this separation not made clear either. 4. planet.opensuse.org This looks only slightly similar to news.o.o and lizards.o.o, even the content is different. But: why is dimstar's blog (the TW reviews) and the Open Build Service blog listed there? Following the logic above it should at least be in lizards.o.o if not even in news.o.o! ## Website vs. Wiki Looking at the content of opensuse.org and wiki.opensuse.org I think there's no clear plan what to put where. My understand of a wiki is a) collaboratively created content and b) content changing regularly. A source for documentation if you will. The "Contribute" section on opensuse.org gives you just a few sentences but links to a wiki page. This is unnecessary as the ways to contribute won't hardly change very often. I assume this is mostly done due to the fact that opensuse.org has hardly any space left for slightly more detailed information. But that's what a website is made for. Sending people from URL to URL without giving them a consistent layout is at best confusing if not frustrating. Partly positive example: Fedora [5] (sat in comparison to opensuse.org) That's all for now. I understand that many things have somehow grown over the years. But as I'm willing to tackle these I am looking forward to your comments/critics. Regards, vinz. [1] https://vinzv.space/nextcloud/s/HzRmZnH7mwMgkEg [2] https://vinzv.space/nextcloud/s/nPammszr3Z4me2B [3] https://vinzv.space/nextcloud/s/G7xwekJPW6S5Dwi [4] https://getsol.us/blog/ [5] https://vinzv.space/nextcloud/s/nXtaXHfqxwTyAbL -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] LIBOCON
by ddemaio 03 Sep '19

03 Sep '19

Hi all, We may sponsor LibOCon (https://libocon.org) in Almarie, Spain, this year. If anyone plans on going and would like to help out with a booth there, please email me. v/r Doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Linux Application Summit 2019
by Matthias Brugger 02 Sep '19

02 Sep '19

Hi all, I wanted to motivate you to submit proposals to the Linux Application Summit: https://linuxappsummit.org/ The summit is organized by KDE/Gnome with the help of a local team. This year the summit will be in Barcelona from 12th to 15th of November. CfP closes soon, 8th of September. Would be nice to see some of you around. Regards, Matthias

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