July 2019 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] How we will use the GSoC money
by Vincent Untz 18 Jul '24

18 Jul '24

Hi, (let's see how a public discussion about money goes :-)) The Google Summer of Code brings us great students, but also means that the openSUSE project will get $8000 (if I'm not mistaken) at the end of the summer. That's $500 per student. A while ago, I requested comments on my blog about what to do with the money, but didn't get any feedback. So I take this as "do what you feel is best", and this mail is about the plan. As a reminder, the main issue is that we will likely not have the openSUSE Foundation created in time for this. For instance, Google would like us to get some form filled before the end of June; this is not a mandatory timeline, but I think it shows that we won't be ready with the Foundation for that. The current plan is to give that money to another organization we feel close to, and I have two candidates in mind: - the Software Freedom Conservancy (http://sfconservancy.org/) it's a really nice org that provides a home for various cool projects (see http://sfconservancy.org/members/current/) and those projects help make openSUSE a great project. - the Desktop Summit (https://www.desktopsummit.org/) it's one of the biggest event this year, and this would help us have some more visibility (since we'd be sponsors, I guess). I'm sure they would welcome this to secure their budget. Note that an alternative solution would be to leave the money to Google for a future GSoC or similar program, but I feel it's better to use the money where it can make a difference today. Now, it's not too late to change the plan. If you have a better suggestion, please tell us. There's no need to argue forever about it, just explain why you think it's good. Keep in mind that if we cannot receive the money ourselves, this also means that we cannot use it to buy stuff for openSUSE. Pavol and I will take the final decision since we are the GSoC admins for openSUSE. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] huge amount of SPAM on opensuse-connect
by christian.imhorst＠posteo.de 02 Jun '21

02 Jun '21

Hi, Am Do., 21. Feb. 2019 um 15:32 Uhr schrieb Lars Vogdt <Lars.Vogdt(a)suse.com>: As such, maintaining 447 [1] openSUSE members should not depend on a single tool. Especially not if the used tool has open, well known security issues since years[2]. On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 11:41:19 +0100 Richard Brown wrote: > This isn't the first time I've asked this question on a public stage, > but in the hope that this time I get an answer; > Who volunteers to tackle the problem with connect.o.o and drive > forward a solution? I made my proposal already and I stand the point: shut down an insecure system! what does "drive forward a solution" mean? Can we integrate the functions of connect.o.o into other services at openSUSE which are allready maintained like the openSUSE wiki? A form for travel support for example? An application for membership could be done by e-mail to an e-mail address of the membership officials. Elections could be done with an eVote software like https://github.com/mdipierro/evote for example, but probably there are better tools. What did I miss? I think Lars is right an we should shutdown this insecure system as soon as possible. Regards Christian Imhorst -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] NNTP gateway to forums.o@o.o
by Knurpht-openSUSE 26 Feb '20

26 Feb '20

Hi all, Since the current NNTP gateway by MicoFocus is being shutdown from Wed 19th of June, there will temporarily be none. Meanwhile some of our community members are working on replacing it, announcements about this will follow a.s.a.p. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Project name and logo discussion
by Stasiek Michalski 26 Oct '19

26 Oct '19

Hi, I am myself afraid of this email, because this is about the basis of the community, distributions, plans for foundation etc... Any change in regards to all things outlined here will be controversial and will have huge influence on the future of openSUSE as a whole. Take this very seriously, but also don't take it too seriously because it doesn't change the way community operates, but instead how it ends up being represented. As mentioned in my talk week ago, I would like to change the openSUSE logo to break it off of SUSE branding, however as Richard rightfully pointed out, the suggestion should also mention changing the name of community and distributions, to remove the `SUSE` part of `openSUSE`, on top of a few other issues that are unrelated to foundation talks. [1,2] We do need to tackle this now, considering we are going through vital parts of the talks of the Foundation, and both trademarks are planned to be transferred at some point, but it might be best to start off the foundation with the name and logo that isn't necessarily tied to SUSE brand for easier legal proceedings between SUSE and the project, depending on the community outlook on the ideas. openSUSE logo issues: * older version of SUSE logo, which is similar enough to be confusing, also will require agreement between future openSUSE Foundation and SUSE to use the logo * colour is too bright and light to stand out well on light backgrounds [3] * button variant looks the same as SUSE logo buttons, with the only exception being colour (and SUSE tends to use similar green for buttons they haven't updated in a long time) For current proposals, and to propose more visit: https://github.com/openSUSE/branding/issues/93 openSUSE name issues: * contains `SUSE`, which will require agreement between future openSUSE Foundation and SUSE to use the name (we will need this anyway, because we will support older releases, but at least there would be some exit strategy when everything goes south built into the name of the foundation) * we are endlessly complaining about wrong capitalization (and will for the rest of time), even SUSE has it easier with "only" SuSE, SuSe and Suse [4] * FSF complains about `open`, although that works with openness of the collaboration, more than `free` or `libre` would (not to mention that we do have non-free repos) [5] There has obviously been a lot of suggestions here, from various contributors, stuff like `Viridian Foundation` works quite well for the purposes of the naming, because it references SUSE, while not being directly tied to SUSE name (although it might be too generic and hard to type). More important than the name itself however is to decide if we want to change the logo and/or the name at all, or we want to leave everything as is. If we do decide for a change there we will be able to choose the name and the logo through a vote, I or some other designer will just have to design and fix up logos proposed by the community for the vote (like it was previously done with the YaST mascot/logo, which looked crude before the redesign, but was a great community idea). [6] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAgkMlCZiP4 [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUZmc4CXzFQ [3] https://contrast-ratio.com/#%2373ba25-on-white [4] https://i.imgur.com/ySr4JAA.png [5] https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html#openSUSE [6] https://github.com/yast/yast-theme/commit/1cdb9e9c2545ba1604f8bdf88864e9ae9… LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] RFC: How to improve openSUSE websites
by Vinzenz Vietzke 12 Sep '19

12 Sep '19

Hi there, being relatively new to the openSUSE community over the past few weeks I've been digging through websites and wiki. Quite often I stepped into traps of unclear, misleading or just plain old content. This lead me to the conclusion that there's urgent need of restructuring lots of things. The following is a rough braindump strongly intended as RFC. I try to visualize my thoughts as good as possible with screenshots. # First sight The website opensuse.org in overall is looking good and I really like the coloring. But looking closer there is a lot of clutter which needs to be restructured. Important stuff needs to be visible at first glimpse. See the screenshot taken on a regular FullHD monitor [1] and try to tell what's this all about - imagining you don't know what openSUSE is. Why not tell at first sight: - this is a Linux distribution - this is how it looks like - these three things make it outstanding Positive examples as comparison: Fedora [2], Solus [3] # Getting information To get more details I have to scroll quite a lot and/or click very often in comparison to the amount of information I get in the end. The waste of space is too high and it should be reduced. Also these animations are quite annoying. Especially the bouncing circle when clicking on "How to contribute" > "Code" just to show a few sentences afterwards. # Consolidate information ## News News about ongoing development and information about achievements is one the crucial thing to be spead out widely. The "News" section on opensuse.org is just way too small and is just drowned out by the "Tools" and "Contribute" sections. So we should either remove it there completely and give it a separate page (See Solus Blog [4]). Or move it upwards on opensuse.org and make it way more prominent. At least linking to news.opensuse.org is useless and should be stopped (even more from a design perspective). Currently there are way too many places just to get news. Let me summarize it and - please correct me if I got something wrong: 1. opensuse.org It grabs first 2-3 sentences of a post and links to it on news.o.o. 2. news.opensuse.org This filled by Doug and (just guessing) members of news mailing list. 3. lizards.opensuse.org Looks exactly the same as news.o.o but consists of blog posts by devs and dev teams. The difference to news.o.o is stated nowhere, the reasons for this separation not made clear either. 4. planet.opensuse.org This looks only slightly similar to news.o.o and lizards.o.o, even the content is different. But: why is dimstar's blog (the TW reviews) and the Open Build Service blog listed there? Following the logic above it should at least be in lizards.o.o if not even in news.o.o! ## Website vs. Wiki Looking at the content of opensuse.org and wiki.opensuse.org I think there's no clear plan what to put where. My understand of a wiki is a) collaboratively created content and b) content changing regularly. A source for documentation if you will. The "Contribute" section on opensuse.org gives you just a few sentences but links to a wiki page. This is unnecessary as the ways to contribute won't hardly change very often. I assume this is mostly done due to the fact that opensuse.org has hardly any space left for slightly more detailed information. But that's what a website is made for. Sending people from URL to URL without giving them a consistent layout is at best confusing if not frustrating. Partly positive example: Fedora [5] (sat in comparison to opensuse.org) That's all for now. I understand that many things have somehow grown over the years. But as I'm willing to tackle these I am looking forward to your comments/critics. Regards, vinz. [1] https://vinzv.space/nextcloud/s/HzRmZnH7mwMgkEg [2] https://vinzv.space/nextcloud/s/nPammszr3Z4me2B [3] https://vinzv.space/nextcloud/s/G7xwekJPW6S5Dwi [4] https://getsol.us/blog/ [5] https://vinzv.space/nextcloud/s/nXtaXHfqxwTyAbL -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] LIBOCON
by ddemaio 03 Sep '19

03 Sep '19

Hi all, We may sponsor LibOCon (https://libocon.org) in Almarie, Spain, this year. If anyone plans on going and would like to help out with a booth there, please email me. v/r Doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] how to change my paka@opensuse.org host
by Patrick Shanahan 19 Jul '19

19 Jul '19

I am about to change my online provider and need to change the host for my paka(a)opensuse.org email address. what is the process? or where is it described? tks, -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] how to change my paka@opensuse.org host
by Patrick Shanahan 19 Jul '19

19 Jul '19

* Thorsten Bro <tbro(a)opensuse.org> [07-19-19 08:04]: > Hi Paka, > > please write your alias and your new mail address to admin(a)opensuse.org > > There we have our ticket system and will reply to your request and change your alias. > > Best regards, > > > Am 19. Juli 2019 13:56:20 MESZ schrieb Patrick Shanahan <paka(a)opensuse.org>: > >I am about to change my online provider and need to change the host for > >my > >paka(a)opensuse.org email address. > > > >what is the process? or where is it described? tks, that is exactly what I need. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Mailinglist outage yesterday
by Christian Boltz 19 Jul '19

19 Jul '19

Hello, (sorry for the massive cross-post - if you answer, please reply only on one mailinglist) TL;DR: If you sent a mail to one of the openSUSE mailinglists yesterday and it didn't arrive, please re-send it. Please also re-send any mail you sent to admin(a)o.o or board(a)o.o yesterday. Longer version: As you probably noticed by observing the silence in your inbox, the mailinglists were down yesterday. This downtime which had two reasons: a) postfix not starting on our outgoing mailserver after a kernel update and reboot - one of the server's IPs wasn't configured fast enough on boot and prevented starting postfix b) our mailinglist software needing additional AppArmor permissions after a kernel update. This is a known change for newer kernel versions, but shouldn't happen as part of a kernel update, therefore I opened https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1142120 The downtime started around 7:00 UTC (9:00 CEST). I noticed it in the evening, and around 21:50 UTC (23:50 CEST) everything worked again. a) wouldn't be too bad - the sending mailservers queues the mails, and they "just" get delayed. Unfortunately issue b) is more problematic - it seems the mailinglist software failed with $? = 0 so postfix thought the mails were successfully delivered, but in fact they are more or less lost. (Our mailinglist admin found them in the incoming/ directory, but he's on vacation with terrible internet access and probably can't do much about this in the next days. Sending out the then-old mails when he's back doesn't really make sense IMHO.) Therefore: If you sent a mail to one of our mailinglists yesterday and it didn't arrive, please re-send it. Please also re-send any mail you sent to admin(a)o.o or board(a)o.o yesterday. Regards, Christian Boltz -- Should you ever feel lonely or be overwhelmed with spare time: you know where to find us. [Dominique Leuenberger in opensuse-project] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] dis-Connect
by Fraser_Bell 19 Jul '19

19 Jul '19

Hi, Christian: > <Fraser_Bell> Thanks. BTW: I would join Heroes and work on the Connect.o.o replacements, if I had any idea what I was doing. But, not till elections are over. > <cboltz> :-) > <cboltz> the important part of connect.o.o is handling the membership and maybe being a "phonebook" for openSUSE > <cboltz> the other parts (groups, polls etc.) are more or less useless and can easily be dropped <snip> > <cboltz> Fraser_Bell: I also like the https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/profile/$USERNAME pages so if you work on a replacement and keep them, I'll be more than happy ;-) > <Fraser_Bell> Yes. <snip> > cboltz> oh, I'm quite sure someone will happily upgrade you if you promise to do the work ;-) > <Fraser_Bell> cboltz: Wait until after the Elections, please, I am now down to 20 pounds soaking wet and red, bleary eyes!!!! Elections are over. Let's get started. -- -Gerry Makaro openSUSE Member openSUSE Global Moderator openSUSE Contributor YaST Contributor aka Fraser_Bell on the Forums, OBS, IRC, and mail at openSUSE.org Fraser-Bell on Github -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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