May 2016 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] How we will use the GSoC money
by Vincent Untz 18 Jul '24

18 Jul '24

Hi, (let's see how a public discussion about money goes :-)) The Google Summer of Code brings us great students, but also means that the openSUSE project will get $8000 (if I'm not mistaken) at the end of the summer. That's $500 per student. A while ago, I requested comments on my blog about what to do with the money, but didn't get any feedback. So I take this as "do what you feel is best", and this mail is about the plan. As a reminder, the main issue is that we will likely not have the openSUSE Foundation created in time for this. For instance, Google would like us to get some form filled before the end of June; this is not a mandatory timeline, but I think it shows that we won't be ready with the Foundation for that. The current plan is to give that money to another organization we feel close to, and I have two candidates in mind: - the Software Freedom Conservancy (http://sfconservancy.org/) it's a really nice org that provides a home for various cool projects (see http://sfconservancy.org/members/current/) and those projects help make openSUSE a great project. - the Desktop Summit (https://www.desktopsummit.org/) it's one of the biggest event this year, and this would help us have some more visibility (since we'd be sponsors, I guess). I'm sure they would welcome this to secure their budget. Note that an alternative solution would be to leave the money to Google for a future GSoC or similar program, but I feel it's better to use the money where it can make a difference today. Now, it's not too late to change the plan. If you have a better suggestion, please tell us. There's no need to argue forever about it, just explain why you think it's good. Keep in mind that if we cannot receive the money ourselves, this also means that we cannot use it to buy stuff for openSUSE. Pavol and I will take the final decision since we are the GSoC admins for openSUSE. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Members retirement
by Michal Hrusecky 27 May '17

27 May '17

Hi everybody, as you all know, we have the openSUSE Members, a group of contributors through their sustained and substantial contributors that are eligible to participate in elections, have @opensuse.org mail and other perks. We have now about 600 of them, but as you can see[1] in last openSUSE Board elections only 150 of them voted. This could mean two things - either most of the members are not interested in elections or plenty of them are simply no longer around. I guess the truth is somewhere in middle. This is something we need to know when we take project wide decisions in order to correctly assess the communities interest in the topic. This is a recurring topic that has been discussed at the openSUSE Board Face to Face meeting last year, oSC 15, and on this list several times over the last few years. Taking these into consideration, we (in the board) think it would be a good idea to implement something to help with ensuring our Membership list accurately reflects our current Membership. I have put together a tool which attempts to detect an openSUSE Members activity on mailing lists, OBS, bugzilla, maybe more. This tool will remember when we last saw openSUSE Member on any of those channels and if they doesn't show for 6 months, we will send them an e-mail asking whether they still wants to be a member. A response to that email will automatically count as activity and preserve the Members status. If there is no response within 30 days of the notification, the Member will be 'retired' and be considered a 'Member emeritus'. If someone is retired incorrectly, or a 'Member emeritus' returns to the Project and wants a restoration of their voting privilege, they will be unretired without question by the Membership Committee. There are few implementation details to be worked out, so we don't expect this to go live overnight but consider this a "statement of intent" and an explanation of how we expect things to work before we start testing the process. ==== To answer some of the obvious questions: Q: Shouldn't we retire inactive members anyway after measuring and evaluating their activity? A: No, that would be too hard, too subjective and it could bother people that we cannot measure automatically. Automatic measurement is just an indicator that those people are no longer interested, but they might be just working on project aspects we cannot measure. openSUSE Members are members until THEY no longer want to be. We believe this system preserves that principle. Q: Wouldn't it offend active contributors if they will be falsely accused of not being interested? A: I hope not. If period will be long enough (6 months) and if we monitor even mailing lists, people will usually show up somewhere. We intend to word the 'ping' email in a way that is not judgemental, but just makes it clear that we have failed to automatically find evidence of contribution so want to make sure they are still interested in remaining a Member. Q: Doesn't it change the meaning of the openSUSE Member? A: Not really. So far once you got a membership status, it was forever without question. Now it would be forever as long as you are interested. No big change, just a little difference. Q: What if mail with warning gets lost? A: If you lose your membership by accident by losing an e-mail, you can still contact membership committee and as a retired member you will be reinstated immediately without voting/verification that takes time. And you should fix your e-mail in connect.opensuse.org in that case ;-) Q: Will retired members retain their email & IRC cloak perks? A: No, the intention is that retired members will no longer be eligible for @opensuse.org email addresses and Freenode IRC cloaks. [1] https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/49480/opensuse-board-el… -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE documentation
by Nick Mantas 01 Jun '16

01 Jun '16

Greeting fellow Geekos! As you know lots of new stuff are coming in the future of the project! It has occcured to me during conversations with fellow linux users that though openSUSE is among the leading distros , help towards technical (or other) problems still needs improvement. Quite a few people are asking question on the facebook group, and most of them are answered thoroughly, but we are not archived or reachable from non-facebook users and the forum traffic is low. So I wonder is it possible to have an official stack exchange page where users can ask for help? What are the difficulties we might face? Imho it would be more efficient and new users will appreciate it more. Care to share your thoughts on what can be done? I'm willing to help if we reach an agreement inb4: I'm not saying to close the forum -- Nick Mantas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] oSC16 - Last Organizing Team Meeting
by ddemaio 01 Jun '16

01 Jun '16

Hi all, We will have our last organizing meeting for this year's openSUSE Conference on the opensuse-project channel on freenode IRC today at 1700 UTC. The topics we will discuss in today's meetings are: Keynote Changes Proposals Status Daily emails Equipment update Volunteers Make sure to register for the social events under “My Registration” on events.opensuse.org if you want to attend any of the city or cellar tours in Nuremberg. Presentation template - https://progress.opensuse.org/attachments/download/1348/openSUSE%202015%20T… v/r Doug

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[opensuse-project] Crash and extensions package versioning
by Petr Tesarik 31 May '16

31 May '16

Hi all, I'm wondering how to tackle an issue with the crash utility and its eppic extension. I'd like to build crash-eppic as a subpackage of eppic, because that's where the source code is maintained by upstream these days. The trouble is that crash-eppic is now a subpackage of the crash package, which is at version 7.1.5. There is no versioned release of eppic, but the upstream maintainer told me that the next versioned release would be 4.0, so I can safely use a bogus version of 3.99.$something for the libeppic package. I'm unsure what to do about the version of crash-eppic. If it inherits the version number from eppic, it would be downgraded from 7.1.5 to 3.99.$something. I assume this is a problem for Tumbleweed. If I keep 7.1.5 as the version number, then it's a completely arbitrary one - it would merely indicate the last crash version where the extension was built from the incorrect sources. I could probably change the version if I name the package differently, but "crash-eppic" is in fact the perfect name, as there are other crash extensions named "crash-something". FTR Fedora doesn't seem to package crash extensions... Any ideas are welcome! Petr T P.S. Some background if you want to ask how we ended up in this situation: Originally, the eppic extension was part of the upstream crash tarball. Consequently, crash-eppic was built as a subpackage of the crash package. At some point, upstream development of eppic was split off (see https://github.com/lucchouina/eppic) This repo now contains the library (which is also used by other projects, e.g. makedumpfile) and the crash extension code. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Board Meeting Minutes - 30 May 2016
by Richard Brown 30 May '16

30 May '16

# Board Meeting Minutes 30 May 1600 CEST ## Present - Richard Brown - Chair - Michal Hrušecký - Kostas Koudaras - Bryan Lunduke ## Absent - Tomas Chvatal - Apartment move - Gertjan Lettink - House move - Andrew Wafaa (Treasurer) - Bank Holiday ## General Items ### openSUSE Asia The Board recieved an exceptional bid from the Indonesia Team. The Board discussed the bid over email and again during the meeting. It's Approved - openSUSE Asia should happen later this year in Indonesia. ### oSC 16 Planning all going smooth. Full program is published https://events.opensuse.org/conference/oSC16. The Board is very pleased to see a very wide range of talks covering talks across the whole spectrum of Linux, Distributions, DevOps, Cloud and Storage. ### TSP The Board understands all TSP requests for oSC 16 have been approved with the applicant notified. ### Hackweek SUSE have confirmed their Hackweek will start on Friday 24th (at oSC) and carry over into the next week, 27-01. The Board would like to invite all SUSE employees to use at least part of this extra hackweek day on the 24th to visit oSC and use it to get ideas for the rest of Hackweek. Fridays program includes talks about ARM, btrfs, Docker, Ceph, KDE, Machinery, CI and more, including two awesome talks about openQA (one from Christopher Hoffman and another by the author of these minutes who really shouldn't misuse this platform to advertise his session but I wonder if anyone is reading this anyway ;)). Friday evening also has a performance of the SUSE Band ### Trademark Request The Board have heard from the members with the outstanding Trademark request. Local legal requirements complicate our proposed solution. Negotiations ongoing. ### Membership Tidyup The first round of the Membership reminder/tidy emails have been sent. 268 members were pinged with an email asking htem to respond if they still interested in being a member. 70 responses came from Mail Delivery System. If you think you could be one of those 70 please update your contact details on https://connect.opensuse.org or else you will not recieve future reminders. A few dozen human responses have already been recieved. Those peoples openSUSE Memberships are now secured and will no longer recieve reminders until the next round of membership cleanup. ### Infrastructure The Board remains concerned about ongoing Infrastructure issues. Board notes that some efforts have been made to improve the situation with www.opensuse.org and other Provo hosted openSUSE services, but would like to see a sustainable long term solution. The Board is also concerned by the long lead time on tickets to admin(a)opensuse.org. AI: Richard to have meeting with Roland. ### SLE Packages The Board has spotted a number of cases in Leap 42.2 Alpha 2 where packages inherited from SLE are newer than the ones available in Tumbleweed or Devel Repos. AI: Richard has send both general and directed reminders internally at SUSE to remind them of the SUSE company policy to contribute to Tumbleweed before/in parralel/in sync with their work on SLE. ## Action Item Review Due to the large number of action items, the progress of these will be split into 3 sections - DONE; This task is complete and will not be discussed in future meetings - WIP; This task is in progress, and will be discussed in future meetings - TODO; This task is still waiting for some progress by the Board ### DONE Michal has started the bot to contact missing members to see if they wish to retain their openSUSE membership. openSUSE Asia team submitted their proposal. Andrew completed the first round of TSP approvals for oSC. ### WIP Board + Ludwig to figure out what to do with all the Volunteers for the "openSUSE Release Team" *Richard & Ludwig to discuss* Board is discussing some ideas with our various Desktop Teams Michal is retiring connect.opensuse.org and doing the Membership tooling and maintenance. Tomas has talked with Craig about OBS team preparing the code for maintaner tidyup *Feature in OBS teams TODO* Bryan has started arrange informal exploratory discussions with ownCloud and Kolab about closer relationships *Meetings expected at oSC* Kostas is reaching out to our few bloggers on lizards.opensuse.org about moving to other platforms. Richard has been talking to Douglas about the possibility of moving news.opensuse.org to a new blogging platform. Richard's personal blog is running a potential candidate (Jekyll with custom openSUSE theme) http://rootco.de ### TODO Board to request release-team(a)opensuse.org list for the Release Team Board to investigate alternatives for voting & membership management _To be done after the Membership Tidy Up_ Tomas will investigate Helios voting system for openSUSE Richard to review/tune up filtering in current system so trademark enquiries don't get lost Tomas will talk with Andrew and Marketing teams about possible Kickstarter Board intends to create a skeleton of the getting started guides to help people get started with Using, Joining, and Partnering with openSUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Montaje de proyecto en Suse para Colombia
by susese2016＠yahoo.com 27 May '16

27 May '16

Buenas tardes, mi nombre es Juan esteban Vásquez Vivo en Colombia y actualmente lidero una empresa de infraestructura informàtica donde estamos incursionando en Linux. Previamente estuve estudiando varias distribuciones y me encontré con Opensuse Leap 42.1 la cual me sorprendió impresionantemente en aspectos como la organizaciòn de la comunidad, el aspecto visual y aspectos leidos en la parte técnica. Tengo a mi cargo personal técnico para comenzar a trabajar con este proyecto y poder aportar en lo que mas podamos. Nuestros clientes son las empresas y buscamos fortalecer, opinar, capacitarnos y quizas impulsar este gran proyecto de la mano de ustedes. Somos Soporte Efectivo SAS y queremos acompañar y ser acompañados por este gran proyecto Open Source en dar soluciones para empresas. Saludos y quedo atento. Juan Esteban Vásquez Sánchez Soporte Efectivo SAS www.soporteefectivo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] oSC16 - Travel
by Axel Braun 25 May '16

25 May '16

Good morning, quick question...will we have a kind of blackboard or mailing list for the oSC16 participants, e.g. to announce travel / rooms available? Best regards Axel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] oSC16 - Organizing Team Meeting 15
by ddemaio 24 May '16

24 May '16

Hi all, We will have an organizing meeting for the openSUSE Conference on the opensuse-project channel on freenode IRC today at 1700 UTC. The topics we will discuss in today's meetings are: Proposals Scheduling Marketing Status Trello Cards Equipment update Swag update other Make sure to register for the social events under “My Registration” on events.opensuse.org if you want to attend any of the city or cellar tours in Nuremberg. After May 30, all unconfirmed proposals will be cancelled. Presentation template - https://progress.opensuse.org/attachments/download/1348/openSUSE%202015%20T… v/r Doug

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[opensuse-project] oSC16 - Organizing Team Meeting 14
by ddemaio 18 May '16

18 May '16

Hi all, We will have an organizing meeting for the openSUSE Conference on the opensuse-project channel on freenode IRC today at 1700 UTC. Those giving proposals who do not already have a template (company or project) are asked to use the openSUSE Presentation template at https://progress.opensuse.org/attachments/download/1348/openSUSE%202015%20T… Please confirm your proposal by May 30 so we can create a printed schedule. The topics we will discuss in today's meetings are: Accepted Proposals Marketing Status Keynote Update MC Trello Cards Start Scheduling Equipment update Swag update v/r Doug

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