February 2016 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] How we will use the GSoC money
by Vincent Untz 18 Jul '24

18 Jul '24

Hi, (let's see how a public discussion about money goes :-)) The Google Summer of Code brings us great students, but also means that the openSUSE project will get $8000 (if I'm not mistaken) at the end of the summer. That's $500 per student. A while ago, I requested comments on my blog about what to do with the money, but didn't get any feedback. So I take this as "do what you feel is best", and this mail is about the plan. As a reminder, the main issue is that we will likely not have the openSUSE Foundation created in time for this. For instance, Google would like us to get some form filled before the end of June; this is not a mandatory timeline, but I think it shows that we won't be ready with the Foundation for that. The current plan is to give that money to another organization we feel close to, and I have two candidates in mind: - the Software Freedom Conservancy (http://sfconservancy.org/) it's a really nice org that provides a home for various cool projects (see http://sfconservancy.org/members/current/) and those projects help make openSUSE a great project. - the Desktop Summit (https://www.desktopsummit.org/) it's one of the biggest event this year, and this would help us have some more visibility (since we'd be sponsors, I guess). I'm sure they would welcome this to secure their budget. Note that an alternative solution would be to leave the money to Google for a future GSoC or similar program, but I feel it's better to use the money where it can make a difference today. Now, it's not too late to change the plan. If you have a better suggestion, please tell us. There's no need to argue forever about it, just explain why you think it's good. Keep in mind that if we cannot receive the money ourselves, this also means that we cannot use it to buy stuff for openSUSE. Pavol and I will take the final decision since we are the GSoC admins for openSUSE. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Google Summer of Code 2016
by Henne Vogelsang 05 Mar '16

05 Mar '16

Hey, let's go. Henne -------- Forwarded Message -------- Hi GSoC mentors and org admins, We've announced <http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2015/10/dozen-of-one-half-dozen-of-ot…> that we're holding Google Summer of Code 2016 <http://g.co/gsoc>. The GSoC calendar <https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=gsummerofcode@gmail.com&ctz=Ameri…>, FAQ <https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq>, and events timeline <https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline> have all been updated with next year's important dates, so please refer to those for the milestones for the program. Please consider applying to participate as an organization again next year or maybe joining as a mentor for your favorite organization if they are selected to participate. We rely on you for your help for the success of this program, so thank you in advance for all the work you do! Cheers, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Organizing Team seeks input for planning conference
by Douglas DeMaio 29 Feb '16

29 Feb '16

Organizing Team for oSC16 will be better able to plan group discounts for entertainment during none conference hours. Please take the time to answer this short survey to help us better determine the community's desires during the conference - http://svy.mk/21w9pS9 v/r Doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Insecure openSUSE Downloads
by Aleksa Sarai 29 Feb '16

29 Feb '16

Hi all, Given the recent case of Linux Mint, I went to double-check how we deal with distribution of checksums and images. It looks like we just distribute them all without TLS, which means there's no hardening against MITM attacks on users trying to download openSUSE. In addition, I couldn't find any mention of GPG signatures for the releases, so there's no web-of-trust way of verifying that an image I download is one that was signed by the key of the cheif maintainers. In addition, the checksums are stored right next to the ISOs, making them useless against a malicious attack (although it is useful for verifying that the download completed). Maybe we could add the checksums to the Wiki (which is served over TLS and is managed completely separately to the download servers). I think this is something we should fix ASAP. If I missed something, please feel free to tell me, and we can work on better advertising the way we secure our downloads. -- Aleksa Sarai Docker Core Specialist SUSE Australia https://www.cyphar.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE & You: Contributing to our Project
by Richard Brown 28 Feb '16

28 Feb '16

First, apologies for cross-posting this, but it's relevant to more than just the opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org audience. In order to cut down the noise on other lists, I ask that all responses are sent to opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org only. Second, this is a 'from the heart' and somewhat 'off the cuff' post from me and me alone. This has not been reviewed by anyone else, so please don't interpret this as some kind of statement from the Board, the Project, or SUSE. This is just me, talking about things I see and giving advice that I hope will be useful to the majority of the people who read it. So, what is this all about? Well a lot of people talk to me, and after a very inspirational FOSDEM I got thinking about recurring trends of questions that come my way: "How does the openSUSE Project work?" "Who decides what happens?" "What do you need me to do?" "How do I get started?" These questions come from not only newcomers and potential newcomers to the Project, but also people I would consider 'veterans' who I would have assumed already knew the answers to these questions naturally. This post is my attempt to provide answers to these and related questions. 1 - How does the Project work? The Project is a self-organised, self-governed, community working on the openSUSE Distributions (Tumbleweed & Leap) as well as various other Free and Open Source Software, including OBS, openQA, OSEM, Portus, Machinery, and more. We have no Product Managers, Project Managers, or Community Managers. We have no Technical Committees or Steering Groups. For those who have read "The Cathedral and the Bazaar", openSUSE is very much a "Bazaar" and hardly anything like a "Cathedral". Whatever Teams we do have are self-organised by the members of those teams, with different ways of working together to accomplish whatever particular goals within the project they are working on. The Project does have the openSUSE Board [1], who's role is to 'lead' the Project by acting as a central point of contact and conflict resolution. In other words, they help keep everyone in the loop with what everyone else is doing, help resolve any conflicts that arise, and being the 'decision makers of last resort' in situations where decisions need to be made and there is no one else available or willing to do so. The Board is a little like the 'A-Team' - If you have a problem, if no one else can help, then the Board is there for you, either to help out, or help you find better help elsewhere. The Board is elected by the openSUSE Members [2], those contributors who have demonstrated sustained and substantial contributions to the Project. SUSE are the primary sponsor of the openSUSE Project. All SUSE employees are encouraged to contribute to the openSUSE Project. These contributions are carried out as 'peers'; No special treatment is granted to SUSE employees, in fact the employer of a contributor should be irrelevant within the openSUSE Project. In areas of particular interest or importance to SUSE, they may hire folk to work in particular roles within the openSUSE Project. With one exception (the role of Chairman of the Board), none of these roles should be considered 'exclusive' to SUSE. There is scope for anyone to contribute to the openSUSE project at any level, assuming they are willing and capable to do the work. 2 - Who decides what happens? You Do We are driven by our contributions. If something is not being done, it's because no one has decided to do it. We do our best to make openSUSE very accessible in order to make us the natural choice to be the Project through which you give your time & effort. The openSUSE Project is structured the way it is to empower our contributors to really shape the direction of the Project. Also a significant amount of the tools we have as a Project exist in order to make those contributions easier. OBS and OSEM are obvious examples, but this is true in all aspects of the project, from the technical ones to the diverse range of other activities, marketing, advocacy, outreach, community, wiki, documentation, etc. You don't need to ask permission to get started, you just need to know what you want to do. 3 - What do you need me to do? You Decide Please don't be terrified by this! To quote The Cathedral and the Bazaar, "Every good work [...] starts by scratching a [...] personal itch.". Find things inside openSUSE, our Project, our distributions, our tools, our wiki, that you do not like, that affect you, that get in your way, and decide to change them. While it may sound selfish, there is no better motivation than solving the issues which affect you first and foremost, the benefit of doing that as part of a community means your work ends up helping others, and others will in turn help you when they share that same itch that needs scratching. Don't expect someone else to do it. Don't think it is someone else's job to fix. It is your responsibility to help make openSUSE succeed in the areas that matter to you And don't expect anyone else to tell you what to do or what needs doing - volunteers are rarely motivated when given orders from others, so that just isn't typically the openSUSE way. That said, I do believe we could do with having some indications of particular areas where we need help..the new openSUSE Mentoring website [3] is a perfect example of something the Project now has to solve this problem (Thanks to Chris and Henne and everyone else who has contributed to this!) In the highly unlikely event that you think everything is wonderful and there is nothing that annoys you, but you still want to give something back to the openSUSE project, then dig a little deeper, try something new, either technically in our products, or get involved in a new aspect of the Project that interests you - I guarantee you'll find something somewhere which could do with your help. 4 - How to get started? So, you've picked something to work on, how to get started. Here is my advice. 4a. Do your homework - Make sure you understand the topic you're tackling. Dig through the problem to make sure you haven't missed something. Read our wiki pages on the topic. Google. Look at how other FOSS Projects deal with the problem? Is their solution better or worse that what you are thinking? Talk to people who might know stuff about the topic, and bounce your ideas off them. Our IRC channels are a good place for such discussions, as are events like our openSUSE Conferences. 4b. Plan your solution - You've decided what you want to do, decide how you intend to do it. You don't need to have all the details worked out, but you should have a clear understanding of the direction you want to go in, and how things should look when you are done 4c. Do you need help? Is this going to impact other people in a noticeable way? Do you want a second opinion? If the answers to any of these questions are yes, continue to 4d. If no, skip to 4h 4d. Share with the Project - Take everything you have learned, and what you plan, and put it all together in a clear, succinct email for the mailinglists. Avoid writing open ended questions. Despite everyone's best intentions, coming to the Project with a question like "What do you think we should do about X?" will lead to either silence, or an almost infinite number of responses, many of which will disagree with you, often without proposing alternatives. Write the email from the perspective of "This is what I think we need to do, and this is what I intend to do about it". Describe your findings from step 4a, explain your plan from step 4b. Include proof of concepts if you have them. Post this mail to an appropriate mailinglist [4]. If you cannot identify an appropriate list, or you think the topic is deserving of a project-wide audience, then use either opensuse-factory(a)opensuse.org for technical changes, and opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org for everything else. Once you are happy the email makes it possible for everyone else to understand the problem, and that this is your problem and you are going to solve it, fire away. Now it is the responsibility of everyone else in the Project to convince you that you need to do things differently. 4e. Listen - the openSUSE Project is full of very clever people. Listen to their feedback, consider it. Your proposal included your reasoning, their feedback should be equally reasoned and informative, and so even a 'failure' of a proposal at this point is a learning experience. 4f. Respond - fast feedback drives innovation. If people are giving you feedback, discuss back with them, tell them when you agree with what they're saying, tell them when you disagree and why. This is how you will find other people to work with you on this thing. 4g. Decide - You do not need to accept all, or any, of the feedback. If nothing comes up that convinces you to deviate from your plan, then carry on as you planned. If something gets in the way, then work together to find a solution, either one that includes a compromise that everyone is equally unhappy with, or one where 'both' options are possible. This is an aspect of the openSUSE community that we often overlook - when we have two sets of contributors wanting to pull in two different directions, our collective natural instinct is to often find a way of accomplishing *both* - How else do you think we ended up with KDE, GNOME, XFCE, LXDE, Enlightenment, etc? This is a good thing, makes our project reflect everything which our contributions want to work on, and something which really sets us apart from many other Projects out there 4h. Do it 4i. Talk about it! Our statistics show that the openSUSE Project is on the up and up, and we are in many ways ahead of a great many similar projects who are often perceived as being more successful than us. A big part of that is because we excel at doing stuff, and are lousy about talking about it. So this is a call to action to ask that everyone reading this email keeps in mind the cool stuff that they're working on as part of openSUSE, and talk about it. Social media, conferences, meetups, whenever you get a chance, tell the world about what you're doing. It is not just a case of being 'Green and Proud', but talking about recent successes often leads to conversations that reveal what the next challenge is, and so the cycle continues, but at least it's a lot of fun ;) Thanks to all for reading this. Hopefully it is food for thought for old and new contributors alike. I intend to throw this up on some blog sometime, or find a way of squishing some of these thoughts onto the wiki, so please direct any feedback and discussion to the opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org mailinglist where I promise to listen and respond ;) - Richard [1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board [2] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members [3] https://opensuse.github.io/mentoring/ [4] https://lists.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] SPAM on openSUSE wiki
by Paul Gonin 27 Feb '16

27 Feb '16

Hi ! I spotted some SPAM on openSUSE wiki see http://paste.opensuse.org/view/raw/27352284 Ironically when I tried to remove the page myself (hey ! it's a wiki ;) ) I was denied by the spam blocker :D "You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: Your IP address has been automatically blocked because it was used by another user, who was blocked by Cboltz. The reason given is: Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Robertleefather". The reason given for Robertleefather's block is "Spamming links to external sites" Thanks ! Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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RE: Re: [opensuse-project] SPAM on openSUSE wiki
by stakanov＠freenet.de 27 Feb '16

27 Feb '16

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Christian Boltz > Gesendet: Sa. 27.02.2016 00:33 > An: opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org > Kopie: opensuse-wiki(a)opensuse.org > Betreff: Re: [opensuse-project] SPAM on openSUSE wiki > > Hello, > > TL;DR: the english wiki is temporarily read-only to stop spammers > (wiki admins can still do edits) > > Am Freitag, 26. Februar 2016, 19:37:11 CET schrieb Christian Boltz: >> Am Freitag, 26. Februar 2016, 15:04:05 CET schrieb Henne Vogelsang: >> > Christian when you block people you can't tick the 'Automatically >> > block the last IP address used by this use' checkbox as this will >> > block the IP of the proxy in front of the wiki and hence every user. >> >> Oops, I wasn't aware of this detail :-( > > Actually I abused this detail again - the massive spam attack continues, > and blocking the proxy IPs is the only way I have to stop the spam. > > Yes, I'm aware that this will also block "good" edits. Sorry for that, > but even if someone sends me a mail with "can you please change $page to > $text", it's still faster than deleting 1000 more spam pages. > (Still, I'd like to ask you to do this only in really urgent cases ;-) > > > On releated news: I discussed available options to block the spammers > with Darix. The "Nuke" extension to mass-delete pages is already on the > staging wiki and should be available in the production wiki on monday. > We also have some ideas to prevent spam posts - more on this when it's > implemented. > > Fun fact, in case someone wonders: blocking the spammers by username > means fighting windmills - they switch user accounts faster than I can > block them :-( (yes, I tested this!) > > > Regards, > > Christian Boltz > -- >>> Could someone remove this requirement? >>I think you have to write a bugzilla. > While Villabajo still discusses which medium to use, > Villarriba has already submitted 304823. > [>> Volker Kuhlmann, > Carlos E. R. and Jan Engelhardt in opensuse- > factory] > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht Ende----- Question: are these "humans" or bots? If they are bots, wouldn’t it do to ask for solving picture captchas? Or do they really have so much man power to employ people to do hand edited spam?? --- Alle Postfächer an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! https://email.freenet.de/mail/Uebersicht?epid=e9900000451 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Video archive URL's of 'openSUSE conference 2012' are dead
by Amey Abhyankar 25 Feb '16

25 Feb '16

Hello, I was searching for oSC12 video archives and came across https://en.opensuse.org/Archive:Conference_video_2012#Playlist_by_name_and_… Video archive documentation is done very nicely but unfortunately all video archive links are dead. I guess the reason is blip.tv is now maker.tv & redirection is not happening to new hyperlinks. Can we fix those URL's with working 1's from youtube? = https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_AMhvchzBae69AZQRAWKfzb8MurMtA72 Regards, Amey. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] oSC16 - Organizing Team Meeting 3
by ddemaio 24 Feb '16

24 Feb '16

Hi all, We will have our third meeting today, Feb. 23, on IRC on the opensuse-project channel at 1700 UTC. I'll have the agenda ready for the meeting. Topics we will discuss today are: #info Social events Planning #info Entertainment Planning #info Marketing Status #info Keynote Status #info Trello Cards #info Hotels/Hostels Update #info sponsorship status #info Outreach/Education #info T-Shirts #info Swag #info equipment #info food / drinks week 2 notes - _http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2016/opensuse-proj… week 1 notes - _http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2016/opensuse-proj… Trello board - _https://trello.com/b/xhSviOKO_ Best Regards, Doug

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE on ZFS root?
by S. 23 Feb '16

23 Feb '16

Hi everyone, Are there any plans to support ZFS root installations with openSUSE? ***Without getting into the pros and cons of ZFS vs BtrFS***, I'd like to mention that there are a lot of people who would love to use ZFS on openSUSE. Ubuntu will be officially shipping and supporting ZFS with their 16.04 release, which is widely seen as a huge advantage for Ubuntu. I also noticed that ZFS is already packaged for openSUSE in the semi-official "filesystems" OBS repo, but I'm not sure how how well it works with openSUSE or if there are plans for better integration in the future? What about grub2 integration on openSUSE for ZFS boot environments? Again, please keep replies to this on-topic and don't start a technical debate about the merits of BtrFS vs. ZFS. Thanks for the replies! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Board Meeting Minutes 8 Feb 2016
by Richard Brown 23 Feb '16

23 Feb '16

Meeting Minutes 8th Feb 2016 3PM CEST These minutes were approved in the Board Meeting on 22nd Feb 2016 Present Everyone Topics Board Meetings Face to Face Board Meeting KDE Statistics Board Meetings Board discussed the idea of recording Board Meetings hangouts. Due to the sensitive and private nature of some of the discussions (financial, personal, conflict resolution) it was decided to *NOT* record Board meetings regularly. Meeting minutes however will be noted, with Board Members taking turns to do so Public Board meetings to discuss particular topics will be done on request, with IRC being the most likely tool for the job (though Jangouts could be an alternative) AI: Michal to take next meetings minutes Face-to-Face Board Meeting The Board will have it's annual face to face board meeting in Nuremberg in March - provisional dates at 19-20th March This Board meeting is the primary opportunity for the new Board to meet each other and discuss the big topics for the year. We therefore want YOUR suggestions for those topics Existing ones already on our radar include - The TSP - Status and possible improvements - Event & Project Sponsorship - Reviewing last years, setting priorities for next year - Community, Communication and Marketing - After the last year of wide Technical change in the Project, it seems logical to spend this year focusing on addressing the other aspects of the Project, changing what needs to change, and addressing 'organisational debt' in areas where we haven't spent enough effort lately. The Board intends to discuss, identify areas of possible improvement, and hopefully push things in that direction. KDE The Board discussed the situation with KDE Project Their decision to create a competing distribution is a concern, as are some other discussions happening within the KDE community. The openSUSE KDE Team have the full support of the Board and the board agreed to work closely with our KDE Team to make sure they feel supported, and help them any way they can with any discussions with upstream KDE. Statistics Richard met Fedora's Statistics expert at FOSDEM. There seems to be interesting opportunities to work together and improve the quality of the statistics available in both Projects. Looking forward to see what comes of those opportunities going forward -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: oSC16 - Organizing Team Meeting 1
by differentreality 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

Hello all, On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Douglas DeMaio <ddemaio(a)suse.de> wrote: > Hi all, > Here is an update from the organizing team's first meeting for oSC16. Please > feel free to reply. > > Regards > Doug > > > Meeting summary > > Location (ddemaio, 17:02:10) > The location is expected to be the ZBau. (ddemaio, 17:02:21) > ZBau - We have the location from June 21-26. (ddemaio, 17:02:34) > ZBau - Contract not signed yet. Must have lawyer look over the contract > (ddemaio, 17:02:51) > The Nuremberg Arena is the backup plan. (ddemaio, 17:03:08) > A list of rooms should be available for the next meeting (ddemaio, 17:03:20) > > Sponsorship (ddemaio, 17:05:28) > Prospectus located at > https://en.opensuse.org/images/0/0f/OpenSUSE_Conference_2016_Prospectus.pdf > (ddemaio, 17:05:42) > We must proofread the prospectus before making it public. Shall I create a new email thread for that or put the text on a google doc? > Program Committee (ddemaio, 17:09:34) > The program committee is scheduled to review submissions May 1 - May 15 > (ddemaio, 17:10:02) > > Summits with Conference (ddemaio, 17:13:45) > There will be four summits coinciding with oSC16. (ddemaio, 17:14:03) > SUSE Labs Summit (ddemaio, 17:14:03) > Kolab Summit (ddemaio, 17:14:03) > OwnCloud Summit (ddemaio, 17:14:03) > SaltStack Summit (ddemaio, 17:14:04) > > Call for paper (ddemaio, 17:15:56) > The dates for submission are Jan. 15 through April 15. (ddemaio, 17:16:14) > Presentations are Lightning Talks (10 mins), Short Talk (30 mins), Long Talk > (60 mins), Workshop (3 hours) (ddemaio, 17:18:46) > I edited the info for Workshop on OSEM at 180 minutes length. > Registration (ddemaio, 17:18:58) > Registration is now open. Feb. 1 - until end of conference. (ddemaio, > 17:22:43) > AGREED: (ddemaio, 17:25:33) > AGREED: (ddemaio, 17:25:56) > tickets not necessary. (ddemaio, 17:30:51) > ACTION: find out where ?200 supporters money goes toward (ddemaio, 17:36:45) > > Donations (ddemaio, 17:37:29) > AGREED: (ddemaio, 17:41:30) > ACTION: Find out if we can give donations made during oSC to a > project/organization (ddemaio, 17:42:47) > ACTION: decide on a future date to bring the donations given at oSC to a > vote (ddemaio, 17:43:41) > > Logo (ddemaio, 17:43:56) > AGREED: - use http://s12.postimg.org/pmsrh065p/test.png for logo (ddemaio, > 17:53:43) > > Task Tracker (ddemaio, 17:54:05) > use trello (ddemaio, 18:00:37) > ACTION: copy cards to a new oSC16 public board on trello (ddemaio, 18:01:12) > Is there a link to the trello board for oSC16? > Themes (ddemaio, 18:04:46) > Stacks-n-Tracks (ddemaio, 18:05:19) > Vision and Purpose (ddemaio, 18:05:19) > The Whole Stack (ddemaio, 18:05:19) > Community and Enterprise (ddemaio, 18:05:19) > oSC & You (ddemaio, 18:05:19) > http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VRD204 (plinnell, 18:07:14) > > Topics next meeting (ddemaio, 18:09:26) > Tracks (ddemaio, 18:09:26) > Marketing (ddemaio, 18:09:26) > Volunteers (ddemaio, 18:09:26) > Hotels (ddemaio, 18:09:26) > Keynote (ddemaio, 18:09:29) > Outreach/Education (ddemaio, 18:09:31) > sponsorship (ddemaio, 18:09:33) > > Points to review for next meeting (ddemaio, 18:09:53) > donations (ddemaio, 18:10:04) > where money goes for supporters (ddemaio, 18:10:32) > > Next Meeting (ddemaio, 18:14:55) > Feb. 16 (ddemaio, 18:15:22) > This is still 17:00 UTC right? > > Meeting ended at 18:15:51 UTC (full logs). > > Action items > > find out where ?200 supporters money goes toward > Find out if we can give donations made during oSC to a project/organization > decide on a future date to bring the donations given at oSC to a vote > copy cards to a new oSC16 public board on trello > > > People present (lines said) > > ddemaio (143) > ChrisBr (45) > digitltom (17) > orion_0 (17) > plinnell (7) > bugbot (3) > > http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2016/opensuse-proje… > http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2016/opensuse-proje… > Are we not going to use the opensuse-conference ML anymore for the organization of oSC16? We had been using that in the past, if we are not going to use it any more it would be awesome if we could add [oSC16] or sth similar in the beginning of the subject so that we can quickly figure out which emails are related to oSC. I personally have a separate label for the emails concerning the opensuse conference and I would like to be able to filter conference-related emails. Thanks, Stella -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] spreading precious resources thin
by Felix Miata 13 Feb '16

13 Feb '16

The KDE Neon discussion lead me to wonder who's who among unfamiliar names in the discussion, so I went to opensuse.org looking, early on finding: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:KDE_team I clicked on the first name, leading me to: https://en.opensuse.org/User:Rwooninck That looked rather sketchy, rather less information than I remember seeing when I last similarly looked. Eventually I remembered where I had seen much more copious information, and found: https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/profile/tittiatcoke This begs a question maybe best asked here: Why exists both connect.opensuse.org/pg/profile/* and *.opensuse.org/User:*? Both are wiki, right? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Looking for openSUSE LEAP dvd label artwork
by Amey Abhyankar 13 Feb '16

13 Feb '16

Hello, Any1 have dvd label artwork of LEAP? I tried to search at openSUSE artwork wiki but unable to find any related to LEAP = https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Artwork_CD_and_DVD I want to burn & label LEAP iso's & label in bulk for distribution at FOSSAsia summit. Looking for following dimensions for labeling = 120mm outer diameter, 35mm inner diameter [asked by bulk dvd copier in my city] DVD burning + printing cost is pretty reasonable/cheap in India i.e. 27/- INR per DVD i.e. 0.35 Euro cents per media. [inc actual media cost too] Regards, Amey. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] KDE Neon and opensuse
by Alin Marin Elena 13 Feb '16

13 Feb '16

Dear All, Having in mind the discussions appeared lately about KDE Neon... I think we shall have an official postion since we still ship kde as default de. My main concern is that bugs reported from anything else than neon will be considered non-kde. Already had this experience working in a kde project with some of the supporters of neon... for background: this is Bryan article http://www.networkworld.com/article/3032063/opensource-subnet/kdes-new-linu… a more interesting because of comments version https://plus.google.com/+BryanLunduke/posts/XfLoyBaxeea the kde-promo mailing list (this got censored to prevent the best coming out from neon supporters) [kde-promo] KDE Neon and how to handle this? an interesting link on reedit... In which the is kde neon a distro question is answered... by one of the neon people... https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/43tp4i/ is_kde_neon_a_distribution_or_not/ ten days ago seems the answer is: yes, and is indeed a fork/continuation of some other distro three days ago the answer seems to be yes and no... Regards, Alin -- Without Questions there are no Answers! ______________________________________________________________________ Dr. Alin Marin ELENA http://alin.elena.space/ ______________________________________________________________________

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[opensuse-project] do we need some sort of non profit...
by jdd 13 Feb '16

13 Feb '16

Hello, During a discussion on openuse@ list, an idea come. I'm absolutely not sure that it's a good idea, but it may be for reasons I will develop below. Richard Brown summarized very well the situation right now on the other list, please read: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2016-02/msg00372.html but neither the list nor the thread subject was appropriate, so this post. Discussion: Object: create a non profit organization "Friends of openSUSE", possibly Switzerland based (http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2016-02/msg00344.html) to promote openSUSE. History: Long time ago, a discussion was held on the subject: do we need an openSUSE Foundation (http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-foundation/) It was discarded because we feel that the openSUSE/SUSE trademark was better protected by SUSE than by any non profit Foundation. Reason not to create the association: As said by Richard, openSUSE don't really need money, we don't use already all what we can have. Hiring a developer is extremely costly and anyway couldn't be achieved before a very large grow up, not to happen anytime soon. Reason to create the "Friends" (seen by jdd): The relation between openSUSE and it's main sponsor SUSE was never clear for openSUSE member (official or not). Whatever is true, almost everybody think that the orientation of openSUSE is very closely decided by SUSE. My idea is that it's partially true, but not by direct subordination, but by common interest. I'm largely convinced (without any proof, other than reading many posts) than many people are reluctant to engage more in openSUSE due to this perceived relationship. Think than developers can benefit directly of the SUSE infra-structure to help them develop, so have a direct interest to subscribe OBS, for example. But most non-developers volunteers do not get any direct benefit, other than glory and self satisfaction. They do not feels like having real direction on what openSUSE do. Building an "Friends..." non profit organization could (may be, you will have to comment!!) make this better. The goal of this organization would be non profit, that is the direction and members of the organization couldn't get any money from it. This do not mean the organization can't collect money, only it have to be used for the social object of the organization (promoting openSUSE). See it like some "supporters" of sports squads - cheerleaders ones :-)) Every member would have to pay a small fee (10€??) as membership, for each year, so we would know exactly how many people really support the "Friends". They could also donate and the money could be used to support openSUSE where it's not already done. I think of more local support (french or Vanuatu one...). More over, it could drive people to engage themselves a bit more. You know: you have more consideration for something you paid for than for something that was donated to you... May be all this is a dream. Before making anything, we need to know if YOU would subscribe such organization. In France creating such thing needs three peoples and around 40€ for the creation publication, really cheap, but is it worth the fuss? your time to write :-) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] what happened to firewalld?
by Mathias Homann 12 Feb '16

12 Feb '16

Hi, last time I looked, firewalld 0.4.0 was in OBS in networking: , now it suddenly disappeared... how come? anyone knows why? Cheers MH -- gpg key fingerprint: 5F64 4C92 9B77 DE37 D184 C5F9 B013 44E7 27BD 763C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Any Geeko's attending FOSSAsia Summit next month @ Singapore?
by Amey Abhyankar 11 Feb '16

11 Feb '16

Hello, Any Geeko's attending FOSSAsia summit? URL for reference = http://2016.fossasia.org/ I am attending this conference & will be promoting openSUSE. I don't have any promotion material but will be doing following activities related to openSUSE - Interaction with students,newbies & business users - Will talk about last openSUSE Asia summit among interested folks - And needless to say I'll be spreading word about openSUSE 'LEAP'. Will be burning some 50+ openSUSE LEAP DVD's for free distribution. ^_^ [If customs at Singapore allows import of open source operating system DVD's. :-) ] Regards, Amey. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Linuxwochen Vienna
by Marcus Meissner 10 Feb '16

10 Feb '16

Hi, On FOSDEM an organizer from Linux Wochen Wien ( http://linuxwochen.at/ ) approached our booth and asked if openSUSE wanted to attend and to present openSUSE or a openSUSE topic. The event happens 8.-30. April in Vienna, Austria, CFP runs to March 1st. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] OBS Users - kindly verify your credentials!
by Axel Braun 10 Feb '16

10 Feb '16

Ladies & Gents, if you have a role (maintainer, bug owner, etc) in OBS, please be so kind and verify your contact details (EMail) is working. Every now and then you get bounces because the address is not working, currently it is <someuser>@fsf.hu no valid MX hosts found (tried already to contact the domain owner....) Thanks Axel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Censorship on openSUSE mailing list?
by Axel Braun 10 Feb '16

10 Feb '16

Good morning, I sent a mail last monday to the project and packaging mailing list, and got the reply back: The message from <axel.braun(a)gmx.de> with subject "OBS Users - kindly verify your credentials!" was unable to be delivered to the list because of an access rule set up by the list administrator. Oops? As no moderator feedback was received in between, can anyone explain this 'access rule'? Thanks Axel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Package maintainership guide now has wikipage
by Tomáš Chvátal 04 Feb '16

04 Feb '16

Hello everyone, As found on opensuse-factory/opensuse-packaging we didn't really have written down expectations from various package maintainers. To reduce the friction and improve the situation for future I created wiki page [1] where I hopefully described current situation. Feel free to fix typos and bugs I might've created there ;) For future if something should be added, removed or fundamentaly changed in the responsibilities of any of the roles I would suggest to discuss it here on the opensuse-project list first. Cheers Tom [1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Package_maintainership_guide -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] KDE Acronym Expansion
by PatrickD Garvey 04 Feb '16

04 Feb '16

Is there any consensus here at the openSUSE project as to the expansion of the K in KDE. I've seen indications that it is Kool, just K, or maybe Kommunity, all of which indicate it is better than the Common Desktop Enviroment (CDE) that normally accompanied the X/Open consortium product. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] About mailinglists and changing box. Smalltalk held at Fossdem with Richard and Michael (I think)
by stakanov＠freenet.de 04 Feb '16

04 Feb '16

a) Having considered the troubles of some to find ways to unsubscribe, even to recall what lists they are subscribed to and also searching for a channel to convey information about unsubscribe, behavior in case of complain, responsible people (since this may change due to turnover): it would be IMO a good idea to send a reminder mail every 6 month (e.g.) containing: - the lists the email in question is subscribed to - the way on how to unsubscribe if desired -update on rules and regulations and particularly - a how to on behavior to hold in case of complain about list members causing grief or conflict - an updated list on who is in charge where in the project especially but not necessarily exclusively the ones in charge for the respective mailing-lists. The rational is that such an email avoids questioning on the very lists. The demand for it is obviously there since although in theory the information is there, it is in separate places, people forget about details, do not have time to inquire etc. The mail should not come often not to annoy people but often enough not to be outdated. IMO 6 month period is a reasonable time, one year is also acceptable but it seems long to me. The less frequent such a mail does come, the more information should it contain (in a clearly structured way) YMMV. An example mailing list that AFAIK is doing it regularly is the GNUPG mailinglist. b) a second point was about the entry page. How could one have some information be presented in a circular and dynamic way without requiring a lot of personnel to change the outfit of the page? My proposal would be to stick to this design examples of commercial websites below (disclaimer: these are design examples of what I propose, neither do I think you will be interested in the commerce nor am I associated with these people in any way. But I noticed the web-solution): https://www.bike-components.de/en/ a similar thing you have it with this vendor (just differently sized). https://www.alternate.de/ here you instead you have a tab-based approach but substantially the same solution (again the same disclaimer applies). If you have a look at the upper part of the page. It presents a slide-show that can be manually stopped, a click brings you to the corresponding information if desired and of course it circles through. Such a presentation could solve the issue of who "comes first" on a webpage, e.g. tumbleweed being on the left or leap on the right etc) as everyone will have the same circle time. This first diapo could be the one giving info of new and recent thematic, then circle to the distributions. Substantially this gives you a lot of freedom to: 1) change a lot of things 2) to not change a thing Point two is particularly nice because a redesign can be done very selectively and does not require to change the setup of the whole page. IMO an economical way of proceeding. Lastly a suggestion about how to lower complexity in link based websites (or that do convey a lot of different info available). "Click-boxes" that selectively show only a part of the information - thus making the page easier to read. An example of what I mean here, you can find it here: http://www.archchinese.com/chinese_english_dictionary.html?find=software This page will open with a lot of translations and gimmicks for the word "software" . Now look at the section "sentences" below. It is cluttered with too much info. But you see the tick-boxes? Try them out, a click and you deselect part of the page. I found this to be extremely efficient to see what you search with little effort and to have a very personalized approach to information. Where you could use this, I do not know, maybe WIKI? But I think it is nice for the eye, thus I wanted to present it here a an example, maybe it raises some interest. (Again I do not take money nor any advantage from this link, it is just for the sake of an html example). Thank you Richard, Michael and who else was present today. It was a refreshing smalltalk. --- Alle Postfächer an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! http://email.freenet.de/basic/Informationen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE board election 2016 results
by Martin Pluskal 04 Feb '16

04 Feb '16

Hello it is my pleasure to announce results of openSUSE board elections [1]: - we had 147 people voting - number of votes for candidates: Tomáš Chvátal 105 votes Bryan Lunduke 89 votes Gertjan Lettink 89 votes Manu Gupta 51 votes Efstathios Iosifidis 49 votes Thus new members of board are Tomáš Chvátal, Bryan Lunduke and Gertjan Lettink who will replace Andrew Wafaa, Bruno Friedman and Robert Schweikert. I would like to use this opportunity to thank all members for voting, candidates for standing for elections and last but not least Bruno, Andy and Robert for doing great job while serving in openSUSE board. Have a lot of fun Martin Pluskal 1. https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/pluskalm/49480/opensuse-board-el…

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