openSUSE Project December 2013

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[opensuse-project] What's the best way to nudge a bug?

by Jim Henderson

It's a newly reported bug (reported earlier today), but there are implications to threading in the forums for users who upgrade to 13.1 and use NNTP to access the forums. There's a bug in libgmime 2.6.16 through 2.6.18 (2.6.18 is what comes with 13.1) that incorrectly wraps the References: header, causing misthreading of posts on the server. libgmime 2.6.19 is reported to have the fix. I've built this on obs and am testing it now, but the issue was found on the bsd platform several months ago, and it is fixed upstream - so all we need is an official build of 2.6.19 in the update channel. The bug number on bnc (including links to relevant discussion on the pan- users mailing list, the RFC that the build violates, and the bug on the GNOME bug tracker) is 855023: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=855023 I realize that I just opened the bug today so it probably just hasn't been reviewed yet, but I wanted to raise awareness since we use NNTP in our forum community, and this has the potential to create confusion in those discussions (indeed, it already has with posts I've made using the broken library). Thanks, Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Second oSC14 IRC meeting reminder - 12.12.2013.

by Svebor Prstačić

Dear all, This is a reminder that the second oSC14 IRC meeting at #opensuse-project is scheduled for Thursday, 12.12.2013., 17:00 hours, CET. I will send more info and agenda proposal in a few days. Regards, Svebor -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Minutes of openSUSE Project Meeting of December 11th, 2013

by Vincent Untz

Hi, Actually, there is nothing in the short version of the minutes, but the meeting was very long with a good discussion about the whole "where we're going" topic. Feel free to read the log: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2013/opensuse-proje… Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Getting S... Done.

by Klaas Freitag

Hi, since it is right now possible to take a breath between the waves of planning I like to share a thought. In the last mails we read a couple of good ideas especially around the distro which are worth to think about and act upon. We also seem to widely agree that a bit more "innovation" would be cool. Topic examples: - Gaming on openSUSE - Clouding with openSUSE - Free Communication, as in "No, thanks, I don't use M$ Skype, but connect my using XYZ on openSUSE". - Documentation ideas - more All of these ideas would now require more investigation and _work_ to get it into Factory etc. pp. We need experts for each of the topics, which we seem to have, and people who want to learn, help and finally contribute. I often think that the missing link seems to be that somebody says: "Hey, I wonna work on 'Gaming on openSUSE', this is the rough idea, how about you help me and we have fun on this?" and people who do not feel able to start such a "big" topic themselves but are interested can say: "Well, yes, sure, if there would be a task for me..." That is what worked in the past. So I wonder if there is anything how we could help this process to work better in our community. These let's call them 'interest-groups' exist, sometimes as one-man shows, but are they visible enough? Can, for example, somebody who would like to spent a little bit of time helping somewhere, find the spots where help is needed? Has ever somebody called for help in openSUSE? How would one do that? I wonder if this can somehow be improved. What do you think? Klaas -- ...und freier Mut gebiert die Tat! Erich Mühsam. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Fwd: [opensuse-marketing] Marketing and Artwork, who's around?

by Carlos Ribeiro

Including atwork ml in the loop ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Carlos Ribeiro <carlosribeiro(a)opensuse.org> Date: 2013/12/10 Subject: Re: [opensuse-marketing] Marketing and Artwork, who's around? To: openSUSE Marketing <opensuse-marketing(a)opensuse.org> Dear Izabel, +1 As I imagine and planning, next year I will handle other openSUSE activities and responsibilities that will make me a little bit out of the artwork team in general. But as I believe and you had previoulsly mentioned artwork must be very closer with the marketing activities so I realized that beeing part of this new Marketing generation (as I could say like that) will be a great opportunity to me to keep contributing with the artwork but again not in general artwork but more focused on the Marketing field. So, In case you guys (marketing ppl) need someone from artwork focused on marketing, I'm stepping and I also voltunteer myself to be part of this new marketing structure contributing with my artwork skills and experiences around the openSUSE "identity" and marketing area Goo luck for this new initiative and congratulations for have being rising some good topics and points like you did. 2013/12/10 Jimmy PIERRE <jimmypierre.rouen.france(a)gmail.com>: > I am in! > Jimmy Pierre (NUI) > Best, > > On 10 December 2013 12:39, jdd <jdd(a)dodin.org> wrote: >> Le 10/12/2013 11:59, Agustin Benito Bethencourt a écrit : >> >> >> >>> The merchandising program is unblocked since a few days ago. >> >> >> great. >> >> one of the work of the maketting people is to make it the more effective as >> possible >> >> >> thanks >> jdd >> >> >> -- >> http://www.dodin.org >> -- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org >> To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner(a)opensuse.org >> > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner(a)opensuse.org > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [reminder] openSUSE Project Meeting tomorrow at 15:00 UTC

by openSUSE Meeting Reminder

Hello all, The biweekly project meeting will be held tomorrow at 15:00 UTC in #opensuse-project on freenode. Everybody is invited to join and participate! Find out what time the meeting will be in your timezone: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=11&month=12&year=2013&… Agenda of the meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting If you cannot participate and want a specific question to be answered during the meeting, please add your question to: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Questions_Section Minutes and logs of previous meetings can be found at: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/ Thanks, -- openSUSE Meeting Reminder -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Fwd: [opensuse-marketing] Marketing and Artwork, who's around?

by Chuck Payne

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chuck Payne <terrorpup(a)gmail.com> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [opensuse-marketing] Marketing and Artwork, who's around? To: Efstathios Iosifidis <iefstathios(a)gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Efstathios Iosifidis <iefstathios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2013/12/9 Izabel Valverde <izabelvalverde(a)opensuse.org>: >> Hello all, >> >> I believe most of us are following the -project mailing list so I >> believe we should move on in Marketing too. Project decision is our >> concern too! >> >> I've been deeply involved with openSUSE in the last 3 years and FOSS >> in general at least 15. That is the reason I believe I can present my >> thoughts. >> >> From my perspective... Any contribution is seasonal and some can at >> least stay longer than 1-2 years. Using me, Izabel, as example, I >> started in the Marketing Team and I contributed until the 12.3 >> Release. I did not contributed to 13.1 cause my help wasn't necessary >> besides, quoting "Please ping the Artwork Team". On those 3 years I >> saw some initiatives about Ambassadors Team, Welcome Team, blablabla >> Team and in all of them most of the same people were discussing what >> should be the "rules" to start or who would take care of it... The >> standards were so high that neither the most valuable contributor >> would achive the points to be considerer a mentor or a Ambassador >> or... I hope you can understand my points. >> Now there is a new "program", hopefuly successful one but has >> something writen in the wiki that I don't agree: "Are there rules? >> Hey, we at openSUSE don't do rules ;-) " >> >> It looks so careless! We don't do rules but anytime possible we >> "start" a program or a group to talk about how to do it. Any new >> contributor is totally lost on how to start. #Imlosingsomething >> >> We are marketing, we need to care with the message send. >> >> As Marketing Team we are losing A LOT since we don't have materials to >> send around. Just the free will of our Advocates/Ambassadors/members >> isn't enough. Yes the DVD's shipment costs were really high but turned >> into ZERO didn't help. We became first with the $100 support idea, >> nobody used, poor advertise, so we erase the subsidy, later the >> Marketing Box, months planning and didn't happen yet. What is next? >> >> We had a great time backing 2-3 years ago, we succeed, lots of new >> people joining and lots of people leaving. We need to have >> credibility. It is vital. >> >> Lately I personaly, due to TSP, lost the credibility from some great >> openSUSEans cause we weren't able to follow our own rules to reimburse >> the travel costs within 40 days as discussed with SUSE and promised, >> so, rules? Ok, as TSP we need rules to assure the Program is able to >> help people to join oSC/Summit or present openSUSE worldwide, but >> again, with no marketing materials, with no marketing plans, with no >> marketing strategies, besides oSC and Summit, won't be more than a >> paid trip. >> >> I've seen many people contributing and I'm thankful for have them >> around but there is something that I can't understand. We have people >> around that happened to make us proud more than once but why they are >> not able to at least be an openSUSE user! Did they love our community >> that is why they stay? Do they really believe in openSUSE? Just >> openSUSE opened the doors? Since we are a bunch of nice people is that >> why they join us? Are we failing having them around since not using >> openSUSE? #wearedoingsomethingwrong >> >> My points are to show that we have many aspects to care and work on... >> I really hope that you can see something for us to contribute >> together. >> >> So, please, stand up who is or wants to be part of openSUSE Marketing >> Team. If you do already just mention that you are around, if you are a >> simple follower please consider to join and tell us. If you just want >> to keep following tell us too cause your view will be necessary to >> keep us on track. Any contribution is seasonal. If you can be here now >> tell us. >> >> I hope our Artwork Team/Partners are inside Marketing mailing list, if >> not please someone call them. Marketing and Artwork need to work >> together. We rock better together! >> >> I'm writing now cause many things are being said from few perspectives >> and many decisions will be taken. If we don't stand up now we will be >> apart from marketing decisions and we will send for the rest of the >> project the idea that marketing is just necessary for Release times or >> advertise on twitter, facebook or G+! We must to be more than this, we >> are more than this. >> >> Where we can re-start. >> http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Marketing >> http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Marketing_team >> >> Please let's move and present a group initiative. We can do better. >> >> Thank you >> >> >> Izabel Valverde >> -- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org >> To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner(a)opensuse.org >> > > Hello, > > We don't need ambassador-advocate or whatever name you want. We need > people that will do presentations, local events, local-global > presence. There's no reason to name someone advocate to make a > presentation. I know few local people that do that without being > active in the project (some use other distro). They just ask me for > promo materials (I give them what left overs I have). Having the term > advocate, we should have some Special Interest Groups (SIGs) and > special outfit, just like Fedora does. I have to STRONGLY disagree with this, when we had the program, we had people sending in reports, you had a good sense of what was going on. So the Ambassador was doing a great job. We welcome them, gave them support, explain how to market. I haven't see any of that lately. It would be nice to have the group so that we can again go out spread the word, get people involve, help them out. Hell, we don't really have a CM to be honest. I thought Jos was, but I don't see him doing that much, if you have a strong Community Manager, then you will have a strong community. I see > Personally, I see lately only the same people involve with marketing > (don't know what's happening with other teams). We lack people to > help. How can we increase numbers? I believe if we increase numbers on > local communities. Not only events or weekly news (or magazine). I'll > give you an example, look what Ubuntu did. They sent many cds to > people asking (you ask a cd and they send you 10 asking you to give > them to your friends). They were sending containers of cds world wide > (even if they knew that 90% will go to trash). That had the result of > creating users. During that period, they were working local > communities too. Now they have a end-user base and active with their > distro base. They attract companies to invest on Ubuntu (Valve). Right > now, they don't need to send cds or any other heavy promo material to > their local communities because the marketing-promo thing is > automatic. They change to Unity? End unsers use unity. They promote > Ubuntu phone? End users are crazy to buy Ubuntu Phone. Another thing > is that they gathered many people so if someone contributes seasonal, > they don't need him/her because someone else is already coming. > > We don't have to reinvent the wheel. Just follow the success stories. > > Regarding local community, as Kostas said, yes, weekly news was > something we did and brought us some contribs (it was something like > junior jobs thing). But the same time #wearedoingsomethingwrong (It's > different thing to develop a team and differenent to keep it). Don't > know what we did wrong. Example was the guy that started > http://ubuntuxtreme.com/ (he lives in my city). Before starting it, he > passed from our community. Personally I believe that we didn't have > something to offer him. He was searching GPU programming (not sure if > I say it correct) and we either were busy with the weekly news or > global marketing. So if we don't focus on local communities, even > marketing hackfests look like paid trips to me (unless we manage to do > that during oSC or Summit). > > So Izabel, some of us do the dirty job and some just are here to show > off (and maybe make some contributors seasonal). > I was here and I'll be here in the future. There are a lot of that are doing stuff all the time, I not sure who you mean by seasonal. I didn't know we had seasonal helpers, I thought everyone helped out when they can. > Have phun, > Stathis > > -- > http://about.me/iosifidis > http://www.eiosifidis.info http://gnome.eiosifidis.info > http://www.gnome.gr http://www.opensuse.gr > > Great leaders don't tell you what to do...They show you how it's done. > Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts...absolutely. > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner(a)opensuse.org > -- Terror PUP a.k.a Chuck "PUP" Payne (678) 636-9678 ----------------------------------------- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- openSUSE -- en.opensuse.org/User:Terrorpup openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member Community Manager -- Southeast Linux Foundation (SELF) skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein Register Linux Userid: 155363 Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. See you at Southeast Linux Fest, June 7-9, 2013 in Charlotte, NC. www.southeastlinuxfest.org -- Terror PUP a.k.a Chuck "PUP" Payne (678) 636-9678 ----------------------------------------- Discover it! 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Re: [opensuse-doc] Fw: [opensuse-project] The Activedoc migration has broken links.

by Juergen Weigert

On Dec 09, 13 12:29:44 +0100, Thomas Schraitle wrote: > From: "Carlos E. R." <carlos.e.r(a)opensuse.org> > Subject: [opensuse-project] The Activedoc migration has broken links. > > For instance, I have links pointing directly to: > > <http://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE/opensuse-startup/cha.up…> > Chapter 16. Upgrading the System and System Changes > > This is redirected to: > > <http://activedoc.opensuse.org/book/opensuse-start-up> > > which is the main page, not the intended destination. Using the search > box for the chapter title does not find it. Tomas fixed the search engine meanwhile. Now the correct chapter should come up as the first result, if you paste the chapter title. > The correct redirection is now: > > <http://activedoc.opensuse.org/book/opensuse-123-start-up/chapter-16-upgradi…> > > > Having doc.opensuse.org out of commision breaks posts made in forums > and places where they can not be altered. Please reinstate, or create > full redirections. Good point. I am currently not sure how to implement a full set of correct deep link redirects. One option is to harvest the apache logs and implement what is being used most. cheers, JW- -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _=======.=======_ <V> | jw(a)suse.de back to ascii! __/ _---|____________\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 say #263A!__/ (____/ /\ (/) | _____________________________/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, J.Guild, F.Imendoerffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg), Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany SuSE. Supporting Linux since 1992. ☺ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Fwd: Feedback & Call for admins for GSoC and GCI

by Manu Gupta

Hey All Thanks a lot for such an interesting session this year for GSoC. If you have any feedback for us, please let us know. Next thing, we wanted to do was a call for admins, have one more to our team, while we did pretty ok, but we will have less time in the next year. If anyone who has been with us for the past and will like to help us (this also includes other orgs), it will be great. We want to organize both GSoC and GCI for the coming session, so I hope we maybe able to manage well amongst ourselves. Any kind of input is very much welcome -- Regards Manu Gupta & Saurabh -- Regards Manu Gupta -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Evergeen 11.2 is EoL

by Bernhard M. Wiedemann

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear openSUSE users, on http://lists.rosenauer.org/pipermail/evergreen/2013-November/001333.html Stefan Lijewski of the Evergreen team announced that he will no longer prepare patches for openSUSE 11.2, to better focus on 11.4 and the upcoming 13.1-Evergreen. This is after releasing 600 Evergreen security patches, which extended the life of 11.2 to 4 years. I think, this is quite impressive and want to thank Stefan for his efforts. Ciao Bernhard M. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlKljMYACgkQSTYLOx37oWTC7gCgi9BcAntozLVsf5XiJo9T0AcL tWoAoLhTWMncveHYmD/yZsbB20LUYJYz =aiz/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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