September 2010 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] How to announce team meetings?
by Andreas Jaeger 25 Nov '10

25 Nov '10

I see different teams announce their team meetings in different ways and suggest to discuss how to do it the best way - and document it. Here's one proposal for this: == Announcing Team Meetings == * Create a meeting page in the wiki to collect the agenda * Add the meeting to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings * Get the meeting in the calendar on news.o.o - this way the openSUSE Weekly News Team will add it to their calendar * Announce it via opensuse-announce(a)opensuse.org and news.o.o. for the first meeting or for special meetings * Announce it on your team mailing list * Good practice: Announce a preliminary agenda with topics for the meeting and not only that it will take place Right now we have both the wiki calendar in the meetings portal and the news.o.o calendar, I propose to remove the wiki calendar and point to news.o.o. Thoughts on this? Btw. - I would add the result of our discussion to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj(a){novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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[opensuse-project] Strategy sucks
by Andreas Jaeger 07 Nov '10

07 Nov '10

Hi all, Over the last weeks there has been a lot of disussion, both internally and externally, about the strategies which have been proposed. However, we also missed a lot of voices from our community. We take responsibility for leaving many of you behind by focusing on a very corporate-management solution to the initial question which prompted this process. A question we think still is relevant: The identity of openSUSE both as a Community and as a Project. Initially our goal was to answer: “Who is openSUSE and what does it (want to) do?” prompted by the discussion about the default desktop at the openSUSE conference last year. In five years the openSUSE project has evolved from a fully company-driven project to a communty project where everybody can contribute. This has brought uncertainty and a lack of direction. The current lack of a clear ‘story behind it all’ is hampering our ability to establish a common identity and sense of security. From a marketing point of view, it becomes an uphill battle… Throughout the process, we consulted some people and the discussion about a strategy started with the goal to solve this issue. However, many feel that ‘strategy’ and the approach to find one is not fitting our community. We lost most of you in the second paragraph of the strategy pages on the wiki – too much talk. We would like to go back to the start and focus on describing who we are, as a community, instead of finding new ways to go. The input you all have given us by mail, forums, IRC and in person was valuable and we will use that. So that is what we will do: * Highlight the story behind openSUSE * Identify what users we target and illustrate what we offer to them, * Connect it with the issues that matter most to our community And then we will document this story, image, direction, strategy – or however your call it ;) . From you all – we will continue to seek your input on it once we post it. By mail, forum, IRC or in person – again. Without your help it won’t be much, so please think about that! Greetings, Your strategy team P.S. Also posted at http://news.opensuse.org/2010/09/03/strategy-sucks/ -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj(a){novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] SCALE CFP now open.
by Bryen M. Yunashko 01 Nov '10

01 Nov '10

Folks, SCALE (Southern California Linux Expo) Call for Papers is now open until December 13, 2010. SCALE will be in Los Angeles February 25-27, 2011. I would encourage anyone interested in giving talks about openSUSE to submit their papers to this event. There's lots to talk about openSUSE, so don't be shy! Here's the link. http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale9x/blog/scale-9x-call-papers Also of interesting notice is that SCALE will offer tutorial sessions as well. A suggestion for any OBS experts out there, perhaps we can organize a tutorial session showing how to use OBS to package for different distros, and not just openSUSE? At some point in the coming months, we'll also see about setting up an openSUSE booth and will welcome volunteers to support the booth. Thanks, Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Marketing Team lead -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Tomorrow deadline travel & hotel reimbursement requests!
by Jos Poortvliet 18 Oct '10

18 Oct '10

Hi all! Friday the 1st of October will be the deadline for requesting travel and hotel sponsorship requests for the openSUSE conference. We will notify those who will receive support next week, some have already had mail about their hotel. Please note that the budget is limited and we like to help those who need it most! Greetings, The conference peeps

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[opensuse-project] Strategy part X+2
by Jos Poortvliet 07 Oct '10

07 Oct '10

Hi all, As some might have read, today on news.opensuse.org the second part of the strategy new style went live. Let me compy some of that announcement: Over the last week you have all given input on the new strategy document describing the target users of openSUSE. It saw quite a bit of rewriting and rephrasing but it seems the description fitted most of your perceptions. We have incorporated all the comments into the document and a new iteration can be found on co-ment. Furthermore, the next piece of text has been added: "What does openSUSE offer its users?" [1] Like with "Target Users", we would really appreciate it if you could give your input on co-ment but we will accept any kind of input on any channel we can follow. So if co-ment isn't your thing, feel free to comment below this post, on the forums or anywhere else. For those new to co-ment - it is a pretty awesome commenting tool under the GNU Affero GPL[2]. Giving your input on co-ment [1] will make the discussion a bit more structured and easier for everyone to follow. How-to: select some text you want to comment on (a word, a few words, a sentence) and choose the little yellow + sign on the top-left of the page to add your comment. If you click a colored section of the text, you can see the comments which have been made to that section it and add your own voice to the discussion. Easy peasy! See for reference the openSUSE Strategy portal [3] on the wiki. A copy of the current proposal is at the bottom of the mail. Please have fun! Greetings, Your strategy team [1] https://lite.co-ment.com/text/lNPCgzeGHdV/view/ [2] http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/agpl-3.0.html [3] http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Strategy The current proposal: As with every other 'who are we' document, this one assumes our community statement [ http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Strategy_Community_Statement ]. Target users ========== The target users of the openSUSE distribution are people who need to get work done and want something stable and usable for their every day needs. They are users who are interested in technology, willing to learn to adapt their computer environment if needed, capable of reading documentation and/or asking questions on forums. But also people who don't want to if they don't have to - good defaults save them time. In short, the technology-adept computer user or IT professional who is productivity-focused. This includes power users, developers, system administrators but also the typical office workers or students handy with computers. A convenient definition would be someone who has read a computer magazine or technology website once or twice and works with computers a lot. The default openSUSE does not target casual computer users. For them we have simplified Netbook editions and in a company they would run a SLED desktop configured by an administrator who uses openSUSE. Our user wants control over his or her computing experience - but at the same time doesn't want to WASTE time - things should work out of the box while offering flexibility and configurability for when it is needed. And this user is empowered to help his or her favorite distribution - it is easy to contribute back to openSUSE and we make sure our users know this. What openSUSE offers ================== * We offer a powerful, stable core and let our community contribute other packages and tools through the Build Service: freedom and choice. * We maintain our software for 18 months and allow a easy upgrade path * We don't jump ship whenever something shiny comes along - users depend on our product so we only move when something is proven better * But through our Build Service we offer the latest and greatest even for older releases in case our users needs it * So we are actually the ONLY DISTRIBUTION having both stability and a fresh taste! * a desktop system that works out of the box with good defaults but offers the needed flexibility and configurability * Easy ways to change the defaults while administration the system and during the installation * A great infrastructure to build upon including technologies like the build service, Kiwi and technology build upon those like SUSE Studio. Thanks to our build service, developers can easily provide users with their software, no matter what Linux distribution they use. And our users can easily contribute back to openSUSE. * A product clearly NOT the result of NIH - we collaborate and cooperate with others, providing the best technology from around the Free Software ecosystem * The option for commercial support from Novell by using SLES In short, our philosophy is stable over shiny and powerful over dumb combined with innovative and flexible technology and an open mind for collaboration.

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[opensuse-project] Revising the Board Election Rules, 2nd iteration
by Andreas Jaeger 05 Oct '10

05 Oct '10

A month ago I presented my first draft for the new openSUSE board election rules and received some good feedback, especially on the opensuse-project mailing list. Since the last version presented on the mailing list I reworked the draft some more taking into account the proposal by Henne to remove the split of the elected seats into Novell and non-Novell employees. So, now the goal of the changes for these rules are: * fill the holes that exist in the existing rules * clarify the existing rules * Open up the project even more with removing the restriction on two members beeing Novell employees. To help ensure that the board will always represent a wide part of the community, I've followed the example of the GNOME foundation to have a rule that only 40 % of the elected board members can work at the same company. Note that 40 % of 5 elected seats means 2 seats. I'd like to thank Vincent Untz and Alan Clark who helped me with this revision step. Below is the new draft, for reference I gave each rule a name. I'd like to hear now whether those complete rules are fine or where they need further revision and I'd also like to see wordsmithing to clarify and improve the rules. I've published the rules also on http://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/09/29/revising-the-board-election-rules-2n… iteration/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Complete rules There're too many changes now so that I don't mark additions/removals anymore. * Size: The board consists of six members: five seats are elected by the community and additionally an appointed chairperson. * Eligible candidates: Only openSUSE members may run for the Board. Any previous board member that has previously resigned or has been previously removed from the Board is not eligible for nomination or appointment for or within the next Board election period. * Eligible voters: Only openSUSE members may vote, each member having one ballot that has one vote per seat to be elected. * Election Committee: The election is run by an Election Committee that consists of at least three openSUSE members and gets appointed for each election by the board. None of the Election Committee can run for or be elected as an openSUSE board member while serving on the Election Committee. * Time length: The openSUSE board term is two years. Approximately half of the board is elected every year. This means that every year, the term of approximately half of the board ends, and the term of the other half ends the year after. To provide continuity to the organization the chairperson shall be appointed and replaced at Novell's discretion. The elected board members can appeal to Novell to have the chairperson replaced. * Yearly electing half the board: In case of resignations or removals occured since last elections, the term for elected board members for the current elections will be adjusted to make sure that half of the elected board seats - that means two out of five - will have to be filled during the next elections. To implement this adjustment, the elected seats with the most votes will have a two years term, while the seats with the lowest votes will have a one year term. The number of seats with the lowest votes is calculated so that half of the board seats will have to be filled during the next elections. * Serving time: openSUSE board members can serve for up to two consecutive election periods. After that they must stand down for at least one year, but may be run again after the one year break. * Resignation: A member of the board may resign their current position by giving written notice to the chairperson. * Removal: In the event of repeated absence without contact, or other serious misconduct or negligence, a Board member may be subject to removal. Before any other process occurs, the Board member in question will be personally contacted by the chairperson to try to resolve the situation. If this contact does not successfully resolve the situation, the Board member in question may be removed by a vote of 2/3s of the board members. The board should appoint a new board member. Repeated absence includes missing three consecutive board meetings without sending regrets, not answering at all to emails or sending regrets for more than 10 meetings. * Appointment: The running board is allowed to appoint new members during their term to fill a board vacancy caused by one of the following conditions: 1) Resignation of a Board member or 2) the removal of a Board member, or 3) as part of elections. Appointed seats are only appointed until the next election. Instead of opting to appointmore than one board member, the board may opt to call for a new board election for the vacant seats. * Company affiliation: To help ensure that the board will always represent a wide part of the community, no single organization or company will be allowed to control more than 40% of the elected or appointed board seats, regardless of election results. In the event that individuals affiliated with a corporation or organization hold more than 40% of the seats, affiliates from that corporation will be required to resign until 40% is no longer held. Individuals affiliated with a company or organization are people who are employees, officers, or members of the board of directors of an organization; or have a significant consulting relationship; or own at least 1% of the equity or debt, or derivatives thereof, of a company. Notwithstanding the above, members of the openSUSE board shall act on behalf of all openSUSE contributors in the best interest of the openSUSE project. Although board members may be affiliated with companies that have an interest in the success of openSUSE, they will not be considered representatives of companies with which they are affiliated. * Affiliation during election: If more than 40 % of the elected seats would be affiliated with one company (as defined above), elections results shall be adjusted as follows. Individuals who are affiliated with the company which has an excess of representatives shall be removed based on the number of votes they received until such individuals no longer hold a majority of the seats on the board. Other candidates shall replace them, based on the number of votes they received. * Nominations: The election committee will take self-nominations, nominations by others and can nominate people for election. The election committee will contact the nominated people and ask them whether they stand for election. These nominations are private until accepted by the nominated people. * Insufficient Nominations: In the event that the number of eligible candidates is less than or equal to the number of available seats, the voting period will be delayed by two weeks. A public message will be sent out to ask again for candidates. In the event that the number of eligible candidates is less than or equal to the number of available seats, voting occurs as normal but each candidate needs to have more than 50 per cent yes votes. In case that seats do not get elected, the new board will appoint them. * Constitution: A new board term should start on the first of January, the elections should be finished 14 days before. In the case of delays, the new board will start 7 days after the election results are published. * Tie: In the event of a tie for the final slot on the board, the election committee will schedule run-off elections between the tied candidates within one week, with a voting period of one week to resolve the tie. In the event of a tie during the run-off elections, the newly elected board - or the previous board, if all seats are to be filled during the run-off elections - will appoint candidates running in the run-off elections to fill the remaining slots. * Forced reelection: If 20 per cent of the openSUSE members require a new board election, an election will be held for the complete elected Board seats. * Amendment: Changes by the election rules can be done by vote of the board where 2/3s approve it including the chairperson or by vote of the membership where 2/3 of the openSUSE members approve it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Open Question From Vincent: Should we move to some "smarter" voting mechanism. The GNOME Foundation switched to STV [1][2], and I must admit it feels more "right", when voting. This would need some change in the voting software, though. [1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-announce/2009- March/msg00001.html [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Transferable_Vote ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ References: * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board_succession_planning * Jono Bacon in The Art of community management * http://foundation.gnome.org/elections/2010/rules.html * http://foundation.gnome.org/about/charter/ * http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj(a){novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] "Very impressed with 11.3"
by DenverD 30 Sep '10

30 Sep '10

even those old pharts who HATE the looks of the web forum, need to read this posting, it includes: "Very impressed with 11.3 - I have used Linux versions casually and professionally since 1995. . . The installation was flawless, found all the hardware and with no tweeking, everything works. ... I could swear this laptop runs as smooth as an Apple. ... I hope the opensuse team gets to read this. ..." and other good words for the Community!!! http://preview.tinyurl.com/28jf9ko or http://forums.opensuse.org/english/community/soapbox/447181-very-impressed-… DenverD ps1: no log-in required to read.. ps2: it is available via nntp.. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] community transition
by DenverD 29 Sep '10

29 Sep '10

'we' (as in 'we' of the openSUSE Community) don't really know what the future holds.. but, it _seems_ to me that there has been a sharp drop off of Novell employees contributing/posting to the mail lists/forums since the NYPost scoop.. i wonder what happens if (as has happened too often in recent weeks) the forum (or mail lists/irc/wiki/etc) machines/nets need TLC to return to work... do 'we' have non-Novell community hands with access to the levers and gears controlling our ability to coordinate, communicate, and etc? just thinking out loud: do 'we' need to make some backup plans _before_ the communications networks go down and _then_ learn our corporate sponsor has lost interest in 'we' and has decided to save those man hours for more profitable endeavors ?? i know it is unpopular with some, but maybe 'we' could cobble together some backup comm via everyone's friend, whose name begins with a big blue G ?? just sayin': its easier to plan a backup while the lights are still on. DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] community transition
by Charles Wight 29 Sep '10

29 Sep '10

Hello Henne, On 09/16/2010 09:37 AM, Henne Vogelsang wrote: > Hey, > > On 16.09.2010 16:18, Charles Wight wrote: > >> The uncertainty is real, not FUD. > THE uncertainty? We (Denver and I) talk about uncertainty if the > openSUSE infrastructure would go away in a day and if we need a google > backup or something. > > Telling people that the openSUSE community would go away in a day is FUD > my friend. Real FUD. It might not be your intention but it is nonetheless. I certainly don't intend to do anything other than describe reality. Can OpenSUSE survive if all the folks who are currently employed by Novell are told, "you're not being paid to work on OpenSUSE any longer, work on XXX"? It's a genuine question ... it's not intended to be rhetorical. It's not intended to frighten anyone! Does a self-sustainable community actually exist? >> OpenSOLARIS as an Oracle product is >> alive and well. The OpenSOLARIS "community" ended in the course of a >> day. > The opensolaris community already found more than one new home and is > recovering. Also the situation is something very different don't you think? The situations are quite similar. Sun was trying to create a Fedora-like community around Open Solaris much as Novell has tried to do with OpenSUSE. While OpenSUSE is intrinsically more open than Solaris by virtue of being gnu/linux, the economic and political dynamics of corporate dependence are very similar. Of course, the intellectual property issues around Solaris don't apply here. My opinion is that OpenSUSE can never really be a community project if it depends on one corporate sponsor, whether it be Novell or another entity. >> Whether or not OpenSUSE survives as a product will depend upon >> it's value to Novell's successor. >> >> As for the "community", things are far less certain. > It's the community that suffers from your FUD at this time. Don't you > get that? You have influence on this community. opensuse-project is not > your own private smalltalk forum. You are accountable for what you say > to this forum. So put up or shut up on the openSUSE mailinglists. Please :) I certainly respect your opinion. I don't really know enough about the "community" to agree or disagree with it. I'm not convinced that a "community", aside from Novell employees, actually exists. Finally, I do respect the sentiment you expressed, "put up or shut up ...." , even if expressed somewhat rudely. I am more than willing to "Put up" if a community independent of Novell actually exists. If not, I won't be here very long. Either way, I won't annoy you too much more :). I'm testing the waters here! I am considering making a substantial commitment of time without compensation. I do apologise if my openly expressed doubts about OpenSUSE have disturbed you or anyone else. I have no desire to be disruptive. I have no desire to donate my labor to Novell or it's successor either! Charles Wight P.S. Thanks for the links .... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Fwd: [openSUSE-India] Review: openSUSE 11.3 Edu-Li-f-e - Amazing
by Manu Gupta 28 Sep '10

28 Sep '10

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jigish Gohil <cyberorg(a)opensuse.org> Date: Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:19 PM Subject: [openSUSE-India] Review: openSUSE 11.3 Edu-Li-f-e - Amazing To: opensuse-india <opensuse-india(a)googlegroups.com>, opensuse-edu(a)opensuse.org Hello Community Check out this great review of Li-f-e: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/opensuse-11sp3-edu-life.html Digg it: http://digg.com/news/technology/opensuse_11_3_edu_li_f_e_amazing Cheers -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "opensuse-india" group. To post to this group, send email to opensuse-india(a)googlegroups.com To unsubscribe: opensuse-india-unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/opensuse-india -- Regards MANU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-contrib] Moving new packages to Factory instead of Contrib?
by Peter Linnell 28 Sep '10

28 Sep '10

On 9/27/10 8:15 AM, Vincent Untz wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any reason we still accept new packages in Contrib, instead of > pushing the submitters to submit them to the right devel projects, and > then to Factory? > > Vincent > In the absence of any clear decision or policy that I am aware of, I have been reviewing and accepting packages if they are OK from legal and quality standards. I agree we should start pushing these to the correct devel projects, but we then should announce the policy and also update the various wiki pages, as well as an announcement on news.o.o One of the things is to clearly step by step document the workflow and QA criteria. Thanks, Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Science and Education repos/ Scientific packages
by Alin Marin Elena 24 Sep '10

24 Sep '10

On Thursday 16 September 2010 19:49:26 Thomas Hertweck wrote: > On 16/09/10 11:17, Alin Marin Elena wrote: > > [...] > > First I would like to know what is the Education repo and what is the > > science repo.. > > which of them would be the best place to push scientific packages. > > Could you give examples of what you would typically classify as > "scientific packages"? Tools like "octave", "gnuplot" etc are part > of the standard distribution as far as I know. These are tools that > I would classify as "general purpose science tools". I will give you example of only few packages from my immediate area of research. They may look obscure to you and a lot of other people but keep in mind that linux distros are used almost exclusively in science research labs. One of the point that weighs a lot in what distro is installed by the admins is the availability of these obscure packages... cp2k,gromacs,octopus, abinit, alps and the list can continue and if on top of this you add that they come in 4 flavours usually (serial, mpi, openmp and mpi/openmp). You can easily harvest the list of packages opensource installed on different supercomputing sites. Alin -- Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA http://alin.elenaworld.net http://www.google.com/profiles/alinm.elena alinm.elena(a)gmail.com ______________________________________________________________________

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[opensuse-project] Collaboration across Borders: Let's take that chance!
by Thomas Thym 23 Sep '10

23 Sep '10

Hi, As you surely know, Mandriva Linux is forked [1, 2, 3]. The fork is named Mageia [4]. Imho we (the Linux / Open Source / Free Software Community) have far too much distros [5] and we split our forces unnecessarily. I think the title of the openSUSE conference this year is brilliant: Collaboration across Borders [6] This is exactly what is needed. And here is our chance. The Mageia contributors are looking for a new home: an open, democratic and independent community. This is an excellent time to reach out a helping hand to our friends and offer them collaboration or even a new home. I don' know much about the technological differences (at least they use rpm, too) but from a strategic pov that would rock the open source world. Both projects are moving. Mageia just started and openSUSE is at a big step of change (strategy discussion), too. So it is possible that both projects can find the things they need. What we could do: - We can offer infrastructure (OBS as Build Service they are looking for, our wikis etc.) - Invite them to the openSUSE conference. Be spontaneous and offer them a place. If it helps, skip my talk. - Let's discuss how we could improve the collaboration. - Let them participate in the strategy discussion immediately. - If they join integrate them in the board. An essential step for them will be an independent openSUSE foundation / e.V. (because that is the reason they are leaving Mandriva). Building a community from scratch is a lot of work that could be saved. We have so much in common and united we are both stronger. If we could succeed that will be a strong signal to the world outside. So let's talk to them, let's invite them to cooperate and ask them what they would need to be able to join us. This chance is NOW! Cheers, Thomas [1] http://kdepi.wordpress.com/2010/09/18/mageia-forking-mandriva-linux-yes/ [2] http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/09/there-is-no-spoon-but-there-is-a-fork/ [3] http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/09/18/1437248/Developers-Fork-Mandriva-L… [4] http://mageia.org/ [5] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/GNU-Linux_distro_timelin… [6] http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Conference -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] To use or not to use "TM"
by Vincent Untz 23 Sep '10

23 Sep '10

Hi, Every time I read "openSUSE TM" (on t-shirts, and everywhere where we use the logo), I start crying. Do we really have to put the "TM" symbol? It makes the whole thing look ugly, and, as far as I know, it is not necessary to use it (see [1], [2], and more if you search on the web). Thanks, Vincent [1] http://www.secureyourtrademark.com/2007/11/trademark-registration-symbols.h… [2] http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_it_legally_necessary_to_constantly_use_the_tra… -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] community transition
by DenverD 23 Sep '10

23 Sep '10

Karsten König wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 22. September 2010, 17:07:48 schrieb DenverD: >> Karsten König wrote: >>> Am Mittwoch, 22. September 2010, 16:49:02 schrieb DenverD: >>>> may i ask: is it required to actually _have_ the technical ability to >>>> remedy a problem before one is allowed to voice it? if so, i guess i >>>> better leave. >>> It's not helping to voice the same concern over and over again >> some seem to feel it is unhelpful (and pure FUD) to voice it even once!! >> >> at least that was my experience! > > You aren't new to this list, you know it's been talked over and over again, no > one stepped up to change it, so it stays the way it is right now, that's as > open as it can be if you ask me. > We rely on volounteer work here, currently this is only Novell in regard to > hosting, no other volounteers exist, period. i've been on this list since June 2010 and don't recall a single time our heavy dependence on one corporate sponsor for all our communications means was discussed, much less "over and over" .. i'd love for you to find one such in the archive since June 2010.. anxiously awaiting, DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Science and Education repos/ Scientific packages
by Alin Marin Elena 22 Sep '10

22 Sep '10

Hi Werner, Perfect! Once we get the rules we can try to enrol the free time of scientists from different fields to get lists of relevant opensource packages that should make it into the repo. As a side note, Novell may have a direct interest in it, as sled is the core of many supercomputers around world. usually on a supercomputer you will use a different set of libraries and compilers but having gnu packaged versions may help. Two points that once should have in mind. 1, compiling scientific programs may be a very heuristic process 2. deciding which features are relevant for a program has to be done in close connection with the scientific community. regards, Alin On Wednesday 22 September 2010 15:39:34 you wrote: > Hi Alin, > > On Dienstag, 21. September 2010, Alin Marin Elena wrote: > > An up to date repo for http://www.opensuse.org/en/science is needed and will have to accommodate > > the chaotic development of scientific software rather then go well > > structured route of software engineering. > > Yes that would be great. > > At fedora there is a special Electronic lab: > http://spins.fedoraproject.org/fel/ > > It would be cool to have something like that in openSUSE, too. > > > I can offer some of my time and knowledge on helping with the > > physics/chemistry packages but before proceeding we need a well > > defined set of rules and areas of expertise. > > Thanks for your help. > > I will be in holiday till 1. Oct. > Then I'll have some time. Defining some rules and visions for the > repository is a good idea. > > Regards > Werner -- Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA http://alin.elenaworld.net http://www.google.com/profiles/alinm.elena alinm.elena(a)gmail.com ______________________________________________________________________

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[opensuse-project] access forbidden
by Dale Ritchey 21 Sep '10

21 Sep '10

downloads come up with the following error web master notified Access forbidden! You don't have permission to access the requested directory. There is either no index document or the directory is read-protected. If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster. Error 403 download.opensuse.org Wed Sep 22 00:27:47 2010 Apache/2.2.15 (Linux/SUSE) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Science and Education repos/ Scientific packages
by Alin Marin Elena 21 Sep '10

21 Sep '10

Hi Thomas, All what a user will do is to enable the science repo in yast... Then the magic should happen... without rambling into the obs regards, Alin On Tuesday 21 September 2010 19:15:35 Thomas Hertweck wrote: > Hi Werner, > > On 21/09/10 12:41, Werner Hoch wrote: > > On Donnerstag, 16. September 2010, Thomas Hertweck wrote: > >> On 16/09/10 11:17, Alin Marin Elena wrote: > >>> [...] > >>> First I would like to know what is the Education repo and what is > >>> the science repo.. > >>> which of them would be the best place to push scientific packages. > >> > >> Could you give examples of what you would typically classify as > >> "scientific packages"? Tools like "octave", "gnuplot" etc are part > >> of the standard distribution as far as I know. These are tools that > >> I would classify as "general purpose science tools". > > > > When the science repository started there was only a pretty old octave > > package in the standard distribution. > > > > Another problem are the used build options in the standard repostitory. > > Usually without lapack or hdf5 support. > > > > Thus some packages that can be compiled with more configurations need to > > be rebuild. > > I understand the problem. However, it can be quite difficult for users if > they find an octave package in the standard repo, another octave in the > science repo, and perhaps a third octave in a private repo. If the > standard repo contains an old octave, I think nowadays it would be better > if this package could be updated instead of providing another package in a > different repository. This might not be possible under all circumstances > but from my perspective we should at least aim for minimizing duplicate > RPM packages in all the repos. This will also minimize the user's > confusion. I've heard from quite a lot of people that they find the layout > of the OBS etc confusing, and the more repos you add to your software > manager the more likely you run into dependency problems. > I've been there myself. > > Regards, > Thomas -- Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA http://alin.elenaworld.net http://www.google.com/profiles/alinm.elena alinm.elena(a)gmail.com ______________________________________________________________________

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[opensuse-project] Science and Education repos/ Scientific packages
by Alin Marin Elena 21 Sep '10

21 Sep '10

Dear All, I am trying to solve the mysteries of science and education repos from our obs. All these are done in order to understand and see how the opensuse can provide in an efficient centralised way (aka one repo) packages for science/research community. Please have in mind that software developed and used by scientists/researchers a lot of time is far away from what we call good software engineering practise. Frequent releases are a common feature, sometimes the release concept does not exist at all. So if we want to help attract the research community in the opensuse world we will need a repo that accommodates their ways of working. First I would like to know what is the Education repo and what is the science repo.. which of them would be the best place to push scientific packages. regards, Alin My expertise is in physics/chemistry software and of course I can lend it to the opensuse community. -- Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA http://alin.elenaworld.net http://www.google.com/profiles/alinm.elena alinm.elena(a)gmail.com ______________________________________________________________________

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Re: [opensuse-project] Science and Education repos/ Scientific packages
by Alin Marin Elena 21 Sep '10

21 Sep '10

Dear Werner, Thank you very much for you answer. Personally I do not see the education repo as the place to go. Education seems to me to be run like a opensuse distro flavoured for education, as you noticed too, mainly highschool and general education rather than research. An up to date repo for science is needed and will have to accommodate the chaotic development of scientific software rather then go well structured route of software engineering. I can offer some of my time and knowledge on helping with the physics/chemistry packages but before proceeding we need a well defined set of rules and areas of expertise. regards, Alin On Tuesday 21 September 2010 13:52:53 Werner Hoch wrote: > Hi Alin, > > On Freitag, 17. September 2010, Alin Marin Elena wrote: > > On 16 September 2010 20:44, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer(a)gmail.com> > > > > >> Creating a repo is a simple matter of filing a bugzilla requesting > >> > > > one iirc. The more difficult task is building all the packages > > > and pushing them into the repo(s). But again all of the above can > > > be down by anyone. > > > > a science repo exists already so no need to create it > > > > what I want is to bring it alive... and useful for scientists. > > freeze cycles that govern distro and education make them irrelevant > > for the scientific community. > > some packages have to be updated pretty often due to addition of new > > features or fixes of bugs. > > Yes the science repository needs more love or should be merged into the > Education repository. > > > the scientific computational community is not a big one in numbers... > > but is a community in which linux is predominant and unfortunately is > > not opensuse... > > > > if opensuse wants to make itself relevant at desk level for > > scientists providing a rich and up to date science repo is crucial. > > > > on gromacs the version offered is 3.3.1 the current version is 4.5.1. > > also only sequential version is offered. > > > > have you ever tried to push anything to the science repo? > > I'm sorry. I wasn't very active over the last year. I've only maintained > the rpms for electronical engineering and some python packages. > > I think we need a few more active maintainers if we like to have an up > to date science repository. > > If you'd like to take care of the chemistry/physics packages, you're of > course very welcome. I can add you to the maintainer list, too. > > Regards > Werner -- Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA http://alin.elenaworld.net http://www.google.com/profiles/alinm.elena alinm.elena(a)gmail.com ______________________________________________________________________

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[opensuse-project] My Idea of a Good Strategy
by Andy 17 Sep '10

17 Sep '10

To me, the best thing that you guys can do is first define "Who do you want to target?" Why? because it is the best decision that will show you what you want. Something that I can envy from Ubuntu, for example, is the fact that they always wanted that "human connection" with their users. They displayed this in all areas in marketing and I think it still sells well. I believe openSUSE is a tool that helps power users primarily but has lost the feel of what it is like to have newcomers in their distribution. Many may fear that because you take a more "novice" approach to the desktop, that it will take away from the ability that power users have to use the distribution. But to me the matter is more simple. Power users will be more comfortable if they use openSUSE that has a more minimalistic and simpler approach to the desktop because that way, They will be able to focus more on the tasks that they are performing rather than devising ways to customize the desktop to their needs, and things like that. Please, remember that there is hidden potential within the novice users you can attract to openSUSE. Andy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Strategy Team Presents First Part of new openSUSE Description
by Andreas Jaeger 16 Sep '10

16 Sep '10

Hi all, Your strategy team has been working hard, as promised, to incorporate the comments you have all given over the last few months into a new document. That document aims to describe where openSUSE stands right now, what users we target, what we are doing. Who we are has been covered pretty decently in the current community statement and now we would like to present you with what users we target. While you can all give us your input in the usual way (commenting on news.opensuse.org, replying on the openSUSE mailinglists, on the forums and in private mail or IM), we have decided to make use of another commenting platform which is much more suited for a discussion like the one we are having. This is called co-ment, a pretty awesome commenting tool under the Affero GPL. We would like to ask you to give your input on the document there instead of in the other channels so the discussion will be more structured and easier for everyone to follow. Select some text you want to comment on (a word, a few words, a sentence) and choose the little yellow + sign on the top- left to add your comment. If you click a colored section of the text, you can see the comments which have been made on it and add your own. Easy peasy! You can find the document here [2]. And for reference here [3] the openSUSE Strategy portal on the wiki. Please have fun! Greetings, Your strategy team References: [1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Strategy_Community_Statement [2] https://lite.co-ment.com/text/lNPCgzeGHdV/view/ [3] http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Strategy -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj(a){novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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[opensuse-project] Today we launch The Dabber video player for free
by Daniel Dabber 16 Sep '10

16 Sep '10

Ladies and gentlemen, mina damer och herrar. Today we launch a free version of our popular Dabber player at http://www.dabber-player.com The Dabber player is one of the most beautiful 3D-interface videoplayers for embedding on any webpage. Now you can host your own online tv-channel, display your best content and best of all you can change the look and feel and adapt the player to your webpage. No more black, boring, standard embedded and sad videoplayers. Let´s make Internet more beautiful! You can use our entire range of improved, evolved and very beautiful Dabber video players for only $75 and Free for non commercial use. And for only $95 per month you can have storage, trafik, contentmanagement and all players! Order yours today and use them, love them, and improve all websites out there. You can find them at http://www.dabber-player.com A huge thanks goes to all you brave ones who have ordered and implemented our early Dabber players so far. Your orders, thoughts, feedback and love have taken us to this day. You know who you are! New players and plugins are in the pipeline, both for YouTube, Vimeo, JW, Flow, Html5 and other. We can already provide a CMS as a Wordpress plugin We look forward to your order and feedback! For future newsletters and info please subscribe at http://www.dabber.tv/#news Daniel Daboczy CEO & co-founder DABBER website: http://www.dabber-player.com mobile: +46 (0)736 26 99 85 e-mail: daniel(a)dabber.tv SKYPE: mrdaboczy adress: Frejgatan 8, SE-114 20 Stockholm, Sweden Nominated for "Best Streaming Innovation of 2009" at the prestigious Streaming Media awards in London. This message was sent to opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org from Dabber Stockholm. To stop receiveing info or newsletters from us please reply with the word unsub. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Revising the Board election rules
by Andreas Jaeger 15 Sep '10

15 Sep '10

Last years election of seats for the openSUSE board showed that our election rules are not complete. So, before the elections this year start, I propose that we refine the rules and like to start with this post a discussion on how to change them. I see the following situations not handled: * Less candidates than seats for a category (Novell/non-Novell) * Equal number of candidates and open seats for a category (Novell/non- Novell) * a board member resigning * a board member disappearing and not engaging in the board * a board member getting hired by Novell or leaves Novell We also need to clarify when the new board constitutes. We should have a light weight process that is not overly complex and results in endless votes. We vote for people that volunteer their time for the openSUSE project and don’t get any material benefits for it. So, let’s keep that in mind when discussing alternatives. Also, currently the board has five elected seats (three non-Novell and two Novell) that get elected, so it could be that we have enough non-Novell candidates but not enough Novell ones etc. To make this text easier, I will not mention this everytime. I have a first proposal before discussing the situations: The board should be allowed to appoint people to board seats until the next board constitutes. The alternative would be to have a special election when a seat becomes empty. I fear that this just overly complicates the process. New rule: Appointment: In case that board seats will get appointed, they get appointed by the board. Appointed seats are only appointed until the next election. The board can appoint also non-Novell folks on Novell seats and vice-versa. I suggest also to not only have self-nominations but that people can nominate others – and the election officials will then ask the nominated person whether they stand up for election. New rule: Nominations: The election officials will take self-nominations, nominations by others and can nominate people for election. The election officials will contact the nominated people and ask them whether they stand for election. Insufficient Nominations: This is a sorry state since it means that not enough openSUSE members are willing to volunteer for the board. In that case, the board should appoint people to join the board and it can put Novell employees on non-Novell seats and vice-versa. With the next election, the seat distribution would be fixed again. New rule: Insufficient Nominations: If there are fewer nominees for elected Board seats than required to fill all seats, than the board will appoint these remaining seats. The question remains what to do with the candidates that volunteer, let’s handle them in the next case: Equal number of candidates and seats One option here is to just declare the candidates as new board members. This would be the simplest process. In other situations, you have a vote of confidence where people give a yes/no vote for the candidates. One suggestion is a yes/no/abstain vote for the candidates and a candidate needs more yes than no votes to be elected. If somebody does not get elected, the seat gets appointed (see insufficient nominations). Since it could happen that one category has enough nominations but not the other, the voting would be different for both categories and this makes the whole process complicated. So, I suggest to change the rule to have just more than 50 per cent yes votes. New rule: Equal number of candidates of seats: If there is an equal number of candidates and seats, voting occurs as normal but each candidate needs to have more than 50 per cent yes votes. In case that seats do not get elected, the board will appoint them. Board member resigning The board should appoint somebody. New rule: Resigning: If a board member resigns, the board should appoint a new board member. Removal of board member This is something that’s not covered yet as well. What happens if a member disappears virtually? Or what if a board member goes wild? New rule: Removal: In the event of repeated absence without contact, or other serious misconduct or negligence, a Board member may be subject to removal. Before any other process occurs, the Board member in question will be personally contacted by the chairperson to try to resolve the situation. If this contact does not successfully resolve the situation, the Board member in question may be removed by unanimous vote of the other members of the Board. The board should appoint a new board member. Getting hired by Novell or leaves Novell The elected seats are currently either Novell employee seats or non-Novell employee seats. Should a board member resign if he gets fired or hired by Novell? IMO the board should stay functional, the seat was elected. So, again let’s use a pragmatic approach: New rule: Change of employment: The board member will continue to stay in the board until the end of the term and the next election the distribution of seats gets fixed again. Constitution There was some confusion when the new term starts, let’s rectify it. New rule: Constitution: A new board term should start on the first of January, the elections should be finished 14 days before. In the case of delays, the new board will start 7 days after the election results are published. Amendment How can we change the rules? Should the election officials be in charge of them or the board itself? As member of the election officials for the 2009 board election, I propose this change but I suggest that anybody can propose changes but that the board has the final say on them. New rule: Amendment: Changes by the election rules can be done by vote of the board where 2/3s approve including the chairperson. So, once there’s consensus about my changes, I propose that the board approves them as stated in the Changes of elections. Conclusion The current openSUSE Board election rules are available in the wiki. Did I miss any case in the elections? What would you differently than I proposed? Btw. I read the Fedora guidelines on Board elections and also read also what Jono Bacon wrote in “The Art of community management” on governance. Published also via: http://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/08/25/revising-the-board-election-rules/ Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj(a){novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Strategy Discussion: Status quo strategy proposal
by Andreas Jaeger 14 Sep '10

14 Sep '10

Today we continue with public discussions about strategy proposals, this time with the "Status quo" strategy proposal: ---8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<--- == Statement == We deliver a well-balanced GNU/Linux platform for modern computers (workstation, laptop, netbook, server) that equally appeals to end users, power users, developers and server/network infrastructure administrators. It shall protrude professionally and let the user be productive. == Background == This strategy tries to quantify what we tried to do in the past — as it was not written down earlier. So, this is what most users expect from openSUSE today, but does not give a vision for change looking forward. In the context of other distributions, we differentiate ourselves from Ubuntu targeting the newbie and further differentiate from Fedora being experimental bleeding edge — instead we pick "the middle ground". == Key ideas == * Creation of a general purpose distribution that ** anyone can use without too much effort ** is known for good quality (stable and usable but neither outdated nor bleeding edge) ** has good and sane defaults so the user can do what s/he wants to do ** has programs that work out of the box ** focused on modern hardware and their use cases (workstations, laptops, netbooks and servers) ** is targeted towards end users, but is reasonably equally usable for other workloads * Critical analysis of hyped items before inclusion == Activities == === We need to be excellent in the following === * Do as we always did! That is, ** good compromise between actuality and stability ** agreeable release cycle of 8 months ** support for the three most recent releases * Supporting our target customers ** End users: *** Delivering multiple desktops, focusing on both GNOME and KDE *** Focus on providing tools for being productive and creative (IDEs, editors, authoring tools, graphics manipulation, office productivity, etc.) ** Developers: *** Development environments for especially C, C++, Perl, Python, Java, Ruby: IDEs, tools and support libraries ** Power users and system administrators: *** Providing admin tools that are powerful yet (reasonably) easy *** Agreeable command line experience *** Virtualization technique, e.g. KVM, Xen *** Standard networking services * Continue the naturally growth of openSUSE:Factory by incorporating contributors' submissions. === We will try to do the following effectively === * Innovate and keep up with latest upstream developments. * Include a more minimalistic desktop environment. * Provide a low entry barrier for potential contributors. With the openSUSE Build Service, it is easier to make contributions than any other Linux distribution to date. * Offer easy creation of specialized install media (appliances) through SUSE Studio. * Good presentation and marketing, in particular communicating our existing strengths and unique features (i.e. competitive advantages). * The usual niceties: speed, less bloat, possibility of minimality. === As project, we will not focus on the following === (fill in if exists) -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj(a){novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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[opensuse-project] EULA and suseStudio
by Raul 13 Sep '10

13 Sep '10

Hello, I wish I took away a doubt: I created a version of the openSUSE suseStudio, called "Iguana". It's ready, but not yet publicly launched why not have a license (EULA). The Iguana has packages that are not GPL (Skype, Java, flash, mp3). My question is: Can I launch without a EULA? Thanks for attention, -- Raul Libório http://rauhmaru.blogspot.com/ rauhmarutsªhotmailºcom openSUSE Member | Linux User #4444581 "There are only 10 types of people in the world - Those who understand binary, and those who don't." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] EULA and suseStudio
by rauhmaru＠gmail.com 13 Sep '10

13 Sep '10

Hi Andrew, I was reading the LGPL, I think it will serve, but some softwares, such as Skype, say in their EULA that is not allowed to import or export your software. See http://www.skype.com/intl/en/legal/eula/#license_restr , point 2.2 Thanks! On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 15:08, Andrew Joakimsen <joakimsen(a)gmail.com> wrote: > You need to look at the non-GPL license software and see if they allow > redistribution. Don't worry about any GPL linking B > -- Raul Libório http://rauhmaru.blogspot.com/ rauhmarutsªhotmailºcom openSUSE Member | Linux User #4444581 "There are only 10 types of people in the world - Those who understand binary, and those who don't." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] community references
by Andreas Jaeger 08 Sep '10

08 Sep '10

I've started to collect some references that could be relevant for our openSUSE community. As the Community statement states, we'd like to have a friendly, welcoming, vibrant, and active community - and grow it. openSUSE is a unique community project. Communities seems to be one of the web 2.0 buzz words and therefore a lot gets written about how to create and keep a lively and healthy community. Some of that is relevant for openSUSE as well. This page collects - mainly links - to information about community projects and their best practices. The goal is a reference for those that like to look beyond our own openSUSE community to learn from others. The URL is: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Community_references Remy already polished and added stuff and I'd like you to invite updating the page - and using it, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj(a){novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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[opensuse-project] Get full satisfaction with a larger size
by opensuse-project＠opensuse.org 03 Sep '10

03 Sep '10

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