[opensuse-project] How to announce team meetings?
I see different teams announce their team meetings in different ways and suggest to discuss how to do it the best way - and document it. Here's one proposal for this: == Announcing Team Meetings == * Create a meeting page in the wiki to collect the agenda * Add the meeting to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings * Get the meeting in the calendar on news.o.o - this way the openSUSE Weekly News Team will add it to their calendar * Announce it via opensuse-announce@opensuse.org and news.o.o. for the first meeting or for special meetings * Announce it on your team mailing list * Good practice: Announce a preliminary agenda with topics for the meeting and not only that it will take place Right now we have both the wiki calendar in the meetings portal and the news.o.o calendar, I propose to remove the wiki calendar and point to news.o.o. Thoughts on this? Btw. - I would add the result of our discussion to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Tuesday 27 July 2010 12:06:19 Andreas Jaeger wrote:
I see different teams announce their team meetings in different ways and suggest to discuss how to do it the best way - and document it.
Here's one proposal for this:
== Announcing Team Meetings ==
- Create a meeting page in the wiki to collect the agenda
- Add the meeting to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings
- Get the meeting in the calendar on news.o.o - this way the openSUSE Weekly News Team will add it to their calendar
- Announce it via opensuse-announce@opensuse.org and news.o.o. for the first meeting or for special meetings
- Announce it on your team mailing list
- Good practice: Announce a preliminary agenda with topics for the meeting and not only that it will take place
Right now we have both the wiki calendar in the meetings portal and the news.o.o calendar, I propose to remove the wiki calendar and point to news.o.o.
Thoughts on this?
Btw. - I would add the result of our discussion to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings,
No thoughts? Ok, I'll add this later to the Meetings page, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Onsdag den 4. august 2010 10:43:16 skrev Andreas Jaeger:
On Tuesday 27 July 2010 12:06:19 Andreas Jaeger wrote:
I see different teams announce their team meetings in different ways and suggest to discuss how to do it the best way - and document it.
Here's one proposal for this:
== Announcing Team Meetings ==
Create a meeting page in the wiki to collect the agenda
Add the meeting to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings
Get the meeting in the calendar on news.o.o - this way the openSUSE
Weekly News Team will add it to their calendar
Announce it via opensuse-announce@opensuse.org and
news.o.o. for the first meeting or for special meetings
Announce it on your team mailing list
Good practice: Announce a preliminary agenda with topics for the
meeting and not only that it will take place
Right now we have both the wiki calendar in the meetings portal and the news.o.o calendar, I propose to remove the wiki calendar and point to news.o.o.
Thoughts on this?
Btw. - I would add the result of our discussion to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings,
No thoughts? Ok, I'll add this later to the Meetings page,
Fwiw It sounded good to me. Especially the part about not abusing the announce list for "non-special" meetings. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Tuesday 27 July 2010 12:06:19 Andreas Jaeger wrote:
I see different teams announce their team meetings in different ways and suggest to discuss how to do it the best way - and document it.
Here's one proposal for this:
== Announcing Team Meetings ==
- Create a meeting page in the wiki to collect the agenda
- Add the meeting to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings
- Get the meeting in the calendar on news.o.o - this way the openSUSE Weekly News Team will add it to their calendar
- Announce it via opensuse-announce@opensuse.org and news.o.o. for the first meeting or for special meetings
- Announce it on your team mailing list
- Good practice: Announce a preliminary agenda with topics for the meeting and not only that it will take place
Right now we have both the wiki calendar in the meetings portal and the news.o.o calendar, I propose to remove the wiki calendar and point to news.o.o.
Thoughts on this?
Btw. - I would add the result of our discussion to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings,
No thoughts? Ok, I'll add this later to the Meetings page,
should team meetings be announced also in http://forums.opensuse.org/english/news/announcements/ or, is there good reason to keep Team interest out of the forums, and in mail lists only? DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On 2010-08-04 13:19, DenverD wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
No thoughts? Ok, I'll add this later to the Meetings page,
should team meetings be announced also in http://forums.opensuse.org/english/news/announcements/
or, is there good reason to keep Team interest out of the forums, and in mail lists only?
A month ago I suggested to gate the announcement list (read only) to the announcement forum. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar))
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2010-08-04 13:19, DenverD wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
No thoughts? Ok, I'll add this later to the Meetings page, should team meetings be announced also in http://forums.opensuse.org/english/news/announcements/
or, is there good reason to keep Team interest out of the forums, and in mail lists only?
A month ago I suggested to gate the announcement list (read only) to the announcement forum.
if they got sent they seem to have not been posted....wonder why? DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 04 August 2010 13:19:50 DenverD wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Tuesday 27 July 2010 12:06:19 Andreas Jaeger wrote:
I see different teams announce their team meetings in different ways and suggest to discuss how to do it the best way - and document it.
Here's one proposal for this:
== Announcing Team Meetings ==
Create a meeting page in the wiki to collect the agenda
Add the meeting to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings
Get the meeting in the calendar on news.o.o - this way the openSUSE
Weekly News Team will add it to their calendar
Announce it via opensuse-announce@opensuse.org and
news.o.o. for the first meeting or for special meetings
Announce it on your team mailing list
Good practice: Announce a preliminary agenda with topics for the
meeting and not only that it will take place
Right now we have both the wiki calendar in the meetings portal and the news.o.o calendar, I propose to remove the wiki calendar and point to news.o.o.
Thoughts on this?
Btw. - I would add the result of our discussion to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings,
No thoughts? Ok, I'll add this later to the Meetings page,
should team meetings be announced also in http://forums.opensuse.org/english/news/announcements/
That was the kind of feedback I hoped for - thanks DenverD
or, is there good reason to keep Team interest out of the forums, and in mail lists only?
The teams currently coordinate via mailing lists, e.g. the GNOME team. Special meetings - or first time meeting - could be added for sure to the forums as well. Is there a way to show the news.o.o event calendar in the forums so that we have less duplication? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Wednesday 04 August 2010 13:19:50 DenverD wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Tuesday 27 July 2010 12:06:19 Andreas Jaeger wrote:
I see different teams announce their team meetings in different ways and suggest to discuss how to do it the best way - and document it.
Here's one proposal for this:
== Announcing Team Meetings ==
Create a meeting page in the wiki to collect the agenda
Add the meeting to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings
Get the meeting in the calendar on news.o.o - this way the openSUSE
Weekly News Team will add it to their calendar
Announce it via opensuse-announce@opensuse.org and
news.o.o. for the first meeting or for special meetings
Announce it on your team mailing list
Good practice: Announce a preliminary agenda with topics for the
meeting and not only that it will take place
Right now we have both the wiki calendar in the meetings portal and the news.o.o calendar, I propose to remove the wiki calendar and point to news.o.o.
Thoughts on this?
Btw. - I would add the result of our discussion to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings, No thoughts? Ok, I'll add this later to the Meetings page, should team meetings be announced also in http://forums.opensuse.org/english/news/announcements/
That was the kind of feedback I hoped for - thanks DenverD
or, is there good reason to keep Team interest out of the forums, and in mail lists only?
The teams currently coordinate via mailing lists, e.g. the GNOME team. Special meetings - or first time meeting - could be added for sure to the forums as well. Is there a way to show the news.o.o event calendar in the forums so that we have less duplication?
maybe i missunderstood, but i thought you were proposing to advertise the team meetings in both news.o.o and opensuse-announce@opensuse.org, right? my thought is, if it is important enough to send openSUSE team meeting announcements to news.o.o *and* the mail lists it must just as important send it to the forums.. but, if three means is too much duplication, you could just drop it off of either the mail list or news.o.o. as you add the forums.. or, if duplication is really a problem, just send it to news.o.o and let all read it there... mail list followers do usually have at least lynx or links, right? "links news.opensuse.org" works perfect here! :-) DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 04 August 2010 15:18:45 DenverD wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Wednesday 04 August 2010 13:19:50 DenverD wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Tuesday 27 July 2010 12:06:19 Andreas Jaeger wrote:
I see different teams announce their team meetings in different ways and suggest to discuss how to do it the best way - and document it.
Here's one proposal for this:
== Announcing Team Meetings ==
Create a meeting page in the wiki to collect the agenda
Add the meeting to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings
Get the meeting in the calendar on news.o.o - this way the openSUSE
Weekly News Team will add it to their calendar
Announce it via opensuse-announce@opensuse.org and
news.o.o. for the first meeting or for special meetings
Announce it on your team mailing list
Good practice: Announce a preliminary agenda with topics for the
meeting and not only that it will take place
Right now we have both the wiki calendar in the meetings portal and the news.o.o calendar, I propose to remove the wiki calendar and point to news.o.o.
Thoughts on this?
Btw. - I would add the result of our discussion to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings,
No thoughts? Ok, I'll add this later to the Meetings page,
should team meetings be announced also in http://forums.opensuse.org/english/news/announcements/
That was the kind of feedback I hoped for - thanks DenverD
or, is there good reason to keep Team interest out of the forums, and in mail lists only?
The teams currently coordinate via mailing lists, e.g. the GNOME team. Special meetings - or first time meeting - could be added for sure to the forums as well. Is there a way to show the news.o.o event calendar in the forums so that we have less duplication?
maybe i missunderstood, but i thought you were proposing to advertise the team meetings in both news.o.o and opensuse-announce@opensuse.org, right?
No, the proposal is to * announce it *First time* and for *special meetings* on opensuse-announce * Add it to the event calendar on news.o.o every time
my thought is, if it is important enough to send openSUSE team meeting announcements to news.o.o *and* the mail lists it must just as important send it to the forums..
Yeah, and there I agree with others who said: Let's find a way so that each mail to opensuse-annoucne goes to the forums automatically.
but, if three means is too much duplication, you could just drop it off of either the mail list or news.o.o. as you add the forums..
Not duplication - it's extra effort to do it, we should make it as easy as possible to setup meetings.
or, if duplication is really a problem, just send it to news.o.o and let all read it there...
mail list followers do usually have at least lynx or links, right? "links news.opensuse.org" works perfect here! :-)
Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Wednesday 04 August 2010 15:18:45 DenverD wrote:
On Wednesday 04 August 2010 13:19:50 DenverD wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Tuesday 27 July 2010 12:06:19 Andreas Jaeger wrote:
I see different teams announce their team meetings in different ways and suggest to discuss how to do it the best way - and document it.
Here's one proposal for this:
== Announcing Team Meetings ==
Create a meeting page in the wiki to collect the agenda
Add the meeting to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings
Get the meeting in the calendar on news.o.o - this way the openSUSE
Weekly News Team will add it to their calendar
Announce it via opensuse-announce@opensuse.org and
news.o.o. for the first meeting or for special meetings
Announce it on your team mailing list
Good practice: Announce a preliminary agenda with topics for the
meeting and not only that it will take place
Right now we have both the wiki calendar in the meetings portal and the news.o.o calendar, I propose to remove the wiki calendar and point to news.o.o.
Thoughts on this?
Btw. - I would add the result of our discussion to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings, No thoughts? Ok, I'll add this later to the Meetings page, should team meetings be announced also in http://forums.opensuse.org/english/news/announcements/ That was the kind of feedback I hoped for - thanks DenverD
or, is there good reason to keep Team interest out of the forums, and in mail lists only? The teams currently coordinate via mailing lists, e.g. the GNOME team. Special meetings - or first time meeting - could be added for sure to the forums as well. Is there a way to show the news.o.o event calendar in the forums so that we have less duplication? maybe i missunderstood, but i thought you were proposing to advertise
Andreas Jaeger wrote: the team meetings in both news.o.o and opensuse-announce@opensuse.org, right?
No, the proposal is to
- announce it *First time* and for *special meetings* on opensuse-announce
- Add it to the event calendar on news.o.o every time
my thought is, if it is important enough to send openSUSE team meeting announcements to news.o.o *and* the mail lists it must just as important send it to the forums..
Yeah, and there I agree with others who said: Let's find a way so that each mail to opensuse-annoucne goes to the forums automatically.
but, if three means is too much duplication, you could just drop it off of either the mail list or news.o.o. as you add the forums..
Not duplication - it's extra effort to do it, we should make it as easy as possible to setup meetings.
or, if duplication is really a problem, just send it to news.o.o and let all read it there...
mail list followers do usually have at least lynx or links, right? "links news.opensuse.org" works perfect here! :-)
Andreas
oh, i see i did misunderstand, and now i counter propose to announce it *First time* and for *special meetings* on http://forums.opensuse.org/english/news/announcements/ and add it to the event calendar on news.o.o every time.. and drop it off the mail list if three places is too many places to allow it to still be "as easy as possible to set up meetings".. DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 04 of August 2010, DenverD wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Wednesday 04 August 2010 15:18:45 DenverD wrote:
but, if three means is too much duplication, you could just drop it off of either the mail list or news.o.o. as you add the forums..
Not duplication - it's extra effort to do it, we should make it as easy as possible to setup meetings.
or, if duplication is really a problem, just send it to news.o.o and let all read it there...
mail list followers do usually have at least lynx or links, right? "links news.opensuse.org" works perfect here! :-)
Andreas
oh, i see i did misunderstand, and now i counter propose to announce it *First time* and for *special meetings* on http://forums.opensuse.org/english/news/announcements/ and add it to the event calendar on news.o.o every time..
and drop it off the mail list if three places is too many places to allow it to still be "as easy as possible to set up meetings"..
I think you're missing an important point. The KDE meeting is primarily for the KDE team, and the mailing list and IRC are the primary discussion channels for the KDE team (and this is similar for at least some of the other meetings). Therefore it is the mailing list which is the primary place to send announcements about meetings, and news.o.o calendar is a global place where to have all meetings. Announcing KDE team meeting (or other team meetings) on forums is an extra, and one that doesn't seem to bring much value - if somebody is not willing to join the primary communication channels, how big chance is there they will join the meeting and contribute? So, I think I've missed an important detail - why is it again that we should do the extra effort of posting the announcements also to the forums? If it's automatic, fine, but right now it's not. -- Lubos Lunak openSUSE Boosters team, KDE developer l.lunak@suse.cz , l.lunak@kde.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Lubos Lunak <l.lunak@suse.cz> wrote:
On Wednesday 04 of August 2010, DenverD wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Wednesday 04 August 2010 15:18:45 DenverD wrote:
but, if three means is too much duplication, you could just drop it off of either the mail list or news.o.o. as you add the forums..
Not duplication - it's extra effort to do it, we should make it as easy as possible to setup meetings.
or, if duplication is really a problem, just send it to news.o.o and let all read it there...
mail list followers do usually have at least lynx or links, right? "links news.opensuse.org" works perfect here! :-)
Andreas
oh, i see i did misunderstand, and now i counter propose to announce it *First time* and for *special meetings* on http://forums.opensuse.org/english/news/announcements/ and add it to the event calendar on news.o.o every time..
and drop it off the mail list if three places is too many places to allow it to still be "as easy as possible to set up meetings"..
I think you're missing an important point. The KDE meeting is primarily for the KDE team, and the mailing list and IRC are the primary discussion channels for the KDE team (and this is similar for at least some of the other meetings). Therefore it is the mailing list which is the primary place to send announcements about meetings, and news.o.o calendar is a global place where to have all meetings.
Announcing KDE team meeting (or other team meetings) on forums is an extra, and one that doesn't seem to bring much value - if somebody is not willing to join the primary communication channels, how big chance is there they will join the meeting and contribute? So, I think I've missed an important detail - why is it again that we should do the extra effort of posting the announcements also to the forums? If it's automatic, fine, but right now it's not.
-- Lubos Lunak
I don't think anyone thinks the teams main comm channel should not get the notification. The question I assume is which extra comm channels should be used first time and special meetings. The two under discussion are: opensuse-announce@opensuse.org http://forums.opensuse.org/english/news/announcements/ Assuming both can only be written to by limited number of people, it seems obvious they should be chained together so a single post hits both. The only reason I can think of not to do this is if news.o.o is so tightly integrated into the forums that the forum user would find the information redundant. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Lubos Lunak wrote:
On Wednesday 04 of August 2010, DenverD wrote:
On Wednesday 04 August 2010 15:18:45 DenverD wrote:
but, if three means is too much duplication, you could just drop it off of either the mail list or news.o.o. as you add the forums.. Not duplication - it's extra effort to do it, we should make it as easy as possible to setup meetings.
or, if duplication is really a problem, just send it to news.o.o and let all read it there...
mail list followers do usually have at least lynx or links, right? "links news.opensuse.org" works perfect here! :-) Andreas oh, i see i did misunderstand, and now i counter propose to announce it *First time* and for *special meetings* on http://forums.opensuse.org/english/news/announcements/ and add it to
Andreas Jaeger wrote: the event calendar on news.o.o every time..
and drop it off the mail list if three places is too many places to allow it to still be "as easy as possible to set up meetings"..
I think you're missing an important point. The KDE meeting is primarily for the KDE team, and the mailing list and IRC are the primary discussion channels for the KDE team (and this is similar for at least some of the other meetings). Therefore it is the mailing list which is the primary place to send announcements about meetings, and news.o.o calendar is a global place where to have all meetings.
Announcing KDE team meeting (or other team meetings) on forums is an extra, and one that doesn't seem to bring much value - if somebody is not willing to join the primary communication channels, how big chance is there they will join the meeting and contribute? So, I think I've missed an important detail - why is it again that we should do the extra effort of posting the announcements also to the forums? If it's automatic, fine, but right now it's not.
no, i have not missing the obvious fact that mailing lists and IRC have _historically_ been the *only* channels (not just the primary channels) used for years for all KDE (and many other) openSUSE Team meetings.. i raise the point to try to highlight that by continuing to *require* those 20-something year olds (who are fired up to get involved but literally grew up on the http Web) to learn by accident of Team existence and then come over to your old fashioned/gramps (in their eyes) way of getting things coordinated is counter productive.. to pre-judge them as unable/unlikely to contribute because they haven't joined you where you are is about the same as them pre-judging you as being overly standoffish or snobish because you won't join them where they are--right? can i ask how long 'we' want to perpetuate the current divide?? isn't it time to try to grow the ranks of contributors by all possible means? in my mind, openSUSE is missing a huge potential reservoir of budding talent by continuing to NOT flash the existence of teams meeting and working in their face at every opportunity... actually, i do believe the best way to try to get their attention (through one more means) is to have the announce mail list auto-echoed to the announce forum...WHO can make that happen...(as Carlos mentioned a while back...and, it went silently away) we will not know if it generates _any_ interest amongst the forum members until it is tried--and, in my mind it is FAR past time to at least try. if it only lights a fire under one new helper per month per team, at least that _is_ something, right? what is the current new join rate enjoyed by doing all the meeting/team advertising as we have done for how many years? DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday August 4 2010 20:56:55 DenverD wrote: <snip />
actually, i do believe the best way to try to get their attention (through one more means) is to have the announce mail list auto-echoed to the announce forum...WHO can make that happen...(as Carlos mentioned a while back...and, it went silently away)
Talk to the forum admins since those should know how to set it up and to whom to talk (probably Henne). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kleine wrote:
On Wednesday August 4 2010 20:56:55 DenverD wrote: <snip />
actually, i do believe the best way to try to get their attention (through one more means) is to have the announce mail list auto-echoed to the announce forum...WHO can make that happen...(as Carlos mentioned a while back...and, it went silently away)
Talk to the forum admins since those should know how to set it up and to whom to talk (probably Henne).
'Henne' (in this list?) needs to coordinate with the administrators listed here: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Forums_team is 'Henne' this person: announce+owner@opensuse.org DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Hey, On 05.08.2010 08:30, DenverD wrote:
Stephan Kleine wrote:
On Wednesday August 4 2010 20:56:55 DenverD wrote: <snip />
actually, i do believe the best way to try to get their attention (through one more means) is to have the announce mail list auto-echoed to the announce forum...WHO can make that happen...(as Carlos mentioned a while back...and, it went silently away)
Talk to the forum admins since those should know how to set it up and to whom to talk (probably Henne).
'Henne' (in this list?) needs to coordinate with the administrators listed here: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Forums_team
Yeah we need to generally work on that. I want news.o.o as sender and the forum and lists as receiver. It's the next thing on my TODO (after the wiki) to overhaul our communication structure. Stay tuned.
is 'Henne' this person: announce+owner@opensuse.org
Henne is everywhere. -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On 2010-08-04 15:56, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Wednesday 04 August 2010 15:18:45 DenverD wrote:
Yeah, and there I agree with others who said: Let's find a way so that each mail to opensuse-annoucne goes to the forums automatically.
Yes, I think that is what should be done. It is somewhat absurd that the annoucement mail list and forum are not coordinated.
mail list followers do usually have at least lynx or links, right? "links news.opensuse.org" works perfect here! :-)
Not if you don't have Internet network at the moment of reading. Ie, if you read off-line. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar))
I spoke with the Forum admins, news.o.o feeds into the 'Tech News' forum, so everything that is announced on news.o.o will go into the forums. I've added the following now to the wiki at http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Wiki To announce a meeting, follow these steps: * Create a meeting page in the wiki, many teams not only use this as reference how to participate in the meeting but also to collect agenda and archive past minutes and action items. * Get the meeting in the calendar on news.o.o. The openSUSE Weekly News Team will see it their as well and add it to their calendar for the next version. * Announce it on your team mailing list * If this is a special meeting or you meet for the first time, announce it on news.opensuse.org with a separate announcement (entries in the event calendar are not announcements!) and send the announcement as well to the opensuse-announce@opensuse.org mailing list. The announcement on news.opensuse.org will show up automatically on the openSUSE forum in the 'Tech News' forum, it will also show up in a couple of other places like on Twitter and Facebook. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andreas,
I see different teams announce their team meetings in different ways and suggest to discuss how to do it the best way - and document it.
Here's one proposal for this:
== Announcing Team Meetings ==
- Create a meeting page in the wiki to collect the agenda
- Add the meeting to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings
- Get the meeting in the calendar on news.o.o - this way the openSUSE Weekly News Team will add it to their calendar
- Announce it via opensuse-announce@opensuse.org and news.o.o. for the first meeting or for special meetings
- Announce it on your team mailing list
- Good practice: Announce a preliminary agenda with topics for the meeting and not only that it will take place
Right now we have both the wiki calendar in the meetings portal and the news.o.o calendar, I propose to remove the wiki calendar and point to news.o.o.
Thoughts on this?
Btw. - I would add the result of our discussion to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings,
I tried to get access to MeetBot (BugBot) for the last couple of weeks (~5). In fact Francis did answer neither my mails nor my messages on IRC. Can we work an fixing this issue somehow? Best wishes, Holgi -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAkzjvrMACgkQ539IWoEy06XC1wCdFztA6A9HkkR4aySd+OUdshoT L5AAn3PxDE2Eev/8BhTww99EyQV1sn8L =5SxR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 17 November 2010 12:38:27 Holger Sickenberg wrote:
Hi Andreas, [...] I tried to get access to MeetBot (BugBot) for the last couple of weeks (~5). In fact Francis did answer neither my mails nor my messages on IRC.
Can we work an fixing this issue somehow?
I think the description is outdated and the opensuse-admin team does this now? Darix, is this correct? Could you update the following with instructions: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings/Howto#Minutes.2FTranscript.2FMeetBot Thanks, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On 2010-11-17 12:46:06 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Wednesday 17 November 2010 12:38:27 Holger Sickenberg wrote:
Hi Andreas, [...] I tried to get access to MeetBot (BugBot) for the last couple of weeks (~5). In fact Francis did answer neither my mails nor my messages on IRC.
Can we work an fixing this issue somehow?
I think the description is outdated and the opensuse-admin team does this now? Darix, is this correct? Could you update the following with instructions: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings/Howto#Minutes.2FTranscript.2FMeetBot
we only provide hosting for the bot but no service beyond that. i would suggest Henne or someone else, who uses the bot regularly, as backup for francis. darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Hey, On 11/17/2010 12:57 PM, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2010-11-17 12:46:06 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Wednesday 17 November 2010 12:38:27 Holger Sickenberg wrote:
Hi Andreas, [...] I tried to get access to MeetBot (BugBot) for the last couple of weeks (~5). In fact Francis did answer neither my mails nor my messages on IRC.
Can we work an fixing this issue somehow?
I think the description is outdated and the opensuse-admin team does this now? Darix, is this correct? Could you update the following with instructions: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings/Howto#Minutes.2FTranscript.2FMeetBot
we only provide hosting for the bot but no service beyond that. i would suggest Henne or someone else, who uses the bot regularly, as backup for francis.
If you tell me where, Ill do it :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On 17.11.2010 13:11, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 11/17/2010 12:57 PM, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2010-11-17 12:46:06 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Wednesday 17 November 2010 12:38:27 Holger Sickenberg wrote:
Hi Andreas, [...] I tried to get access to MeetBot (BugBot) for the last couple of weeks (~5). In fact Francis did answer neither my mails nor my messages on IRC.
Can we work an fixing this issue somehow?
I think the description is outdated and the opensuse-admin team does this now? Darix, is this correct? Could you update the following with instructions: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings/Howto#Minutes.2FTranscript.2FMeetBot
we only provide hosting for the bot but no service beyond that. i would suggest Henne or someone else, who uses the bot regularly, as backup for francis.
If you tell me where, Ill do it :)
If we really do not have access to the bot anymore - can't we get rid of it and replace it with a version where we do have access? Best wishes, Holgi -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAkzuGtoACgkQ539IWoEy06VTTwCdGYd15QPa8gWkvEls1oMEGcTp 1pEAn0qXSu8FTUU4/ViabTgEvRPBFnxV =RrXC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Hey, On 11/25/2010 09:14 AM, Holger Sickenberg wrote:
On 17.11.2010 13:11, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 11/17/2010 12:57 PM, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2010-11-17 12:46:06 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Wednesday 17 November 2010 12:38:27 Holger Sickenberg wrote:
[...] I tried to get access to MeetBot (BugBot) for the last couple of weeks (~5). In fact Francis did answer neither my mails nor my messages on IRC.
Can we work an fixing this issue somehow?
I think the description is outdated and the opensuse-admin team does this now? Darix, is this correct? Could you update the following with instructions: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings/Howto#Minutes.2FTranscript.2FMeetBot
we only provide hosting for the bot but no service beyond that. i would suggest Henne or someone else, who uses the bot regularly, as backup for francis.
If you tell me where, Ill do it :)
If we really do not have access to the bot anymore - can't we get rid of it and replace it with a version where we do have access?
We have access to it, just no one who takes care at the moment. Its on my TODO, I'm just one guy :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Henne, On 25.11.2010 10:45, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 11/25/2010 09:14 AM, Holger Sickenberg wrote:
On 17.11.2010 13:11, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 11/17/2010 12:57 PM, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2010-11-17 12:46:06 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Wednesday 17 November 2010 12:38:27 Holger Sickenberg wrote:
[...] I tried to get access to MeetBot (BugBot) for the last couple of weeks (~5). In fact Francis did answer neither my mails nor my messages on IRC.
Can we work an fixing this issue somehow?
I think the description is outdated and the opensuse-admin team does this now? Darix, is this correct? Could you update the following with instructions: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings/Howto#Minutes.2FTranscript.2FMeetBot
we only provide hosting for the bot but no service beyond that. i would suggest Henne or someone else, who uses the bot regularly, as backup for francis.
If you tell me where, Ill do it :)
If we really do not have access to the bot anymore - can't we get rid of it and replace it with a version where we do have access?
We have access to it, just no one who takes care at the moment. Its on my TODO, I'm just one guy :)
OK, even better. I'm staying tuned then ... ;-) Best wishes, Holgi -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAkzuMaIACgkQ539IWoEy06W9VQCdGE9Osvc+5ITJw3KaSW0QBT3h 5NQAn1ao7bxeLLCazx+OTDg716KAiKAG =aX// -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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Andreas Jaeger -
Carlos E. R. -
DenverD -
Greg Freemyer -
Henne Vogelsang -
Holger Sickenberg -
Lubos Lunak -
Marcus Rueckert -
Martin Schlander -
Stephan Kleine