March 2009 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] Looking for "case studies"
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 19 Mar '09

19 Mar '09

Hi all, The marketing team is looking for case studies, user stories around openSUSE: Basically, success stories of using openSUSE. More specifically, examples of openSUSE being used in an organization in interesting ways. Using openSUSE to replace proprietary software, or using customized versions of openSUSE in business environments, educational deployments, etc. We'd also welcome examples of using the openSUSE Build Service to solve problems. The wiki page is here: http://en.opensuse.org/Case_Studies (Thanks to Kevin Dupuy for starting the page based on the marketing team discussion). There's no time limit - feel free to add stories as you run across them (with permission from the organization, of course - some orgs might not want to disclose those types of details...). The really important thing is that we get a contact that's willing to talk about the use of openSUSE, as we might want to point reporters in their direction, quote them in official announcements, and so forth. Thanks! Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Localized LiveCD
by Jean Cayron 18 Mar '09

18 Mar '09

Hello, I'm trying to make a localized liveCD in Walloon with kiwi and openSUSE 11.1. I managed to make a first testing ISO that's quite good but we might still work a bit on it and on the selection of programs. Announce (sorry it isn't in English) is there: http://walotux.walon.org/spip.php?article30 These were the main issues: - To add translations of minors language to your ISO you must add many packages like "bundle-lang-common" that ships many minor languages and make your ISO too big for a CD. My workaround was to copy the MO files directly to the sources of the image without using the packages. That works but is not very clean. - With kiwi, if you set a language to your live CD, it won't affect your Desktop that will remain in English. You have to change by hand the config files of KDE and ".profile". - Also a problem of keyboard (QWERTY), but I might find the trick. If some people are interested, I could make a post on it, in English, on my website. My two questions are: - Is/was there any plan to make live CD in other languages, mainstream or not? For mainstream languages (FR, ES, IT...) you could put a few languages on the same CD (as Mandriva does). I think on the official on is there only EN and DE. - Is there room on the openSUSE servers to host images of community liveCD such as mine, as long as they respect the new trademark guidelines? How do other projects? My ISO is for now hosted on TuxFamily. Thanks for your reactions and feedbacks. Jean Walloon-team coordinator -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] A personal note: On paternity leave soon...
by Andreas Jaeger 18 Mar '09

18 Mar '09

Next weekend we're celebrating the first birthday of our daughter and that's also the start for my two months paternity leave from Novell and openSUSE. I'll be back on the 22nd of May. During that time I plan not read my email regularly and plan not to be active in the openSUSE project. I might get involved in some discussions but don't count on it or expect me to do anything. I'm basically on a long vacation and my primary focus will be taking care of Jonna Ylvi - and also recharging my batteries, taking photos etc. I see a lot of good changes in the openSUSE project currently and look forward to engage fully again soon. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj(a)suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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[opensuse-project] openFate screenning team first meeting tomorrow
by Michael Loeffler 17 Mar '09

17 Mar '09

Hi, the openFate screening team meets tomorrow on #opensuse-project at freenode at 12pm UTC. Look up for your time here: http://tinyurl.com/d49ggg Everbody interested in the progress of openFate is welcome to join. Feel free to add topics on: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenFATE/Screening_team Best M -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Linuxtage Chemnitz Report
by Adrian Schröter 16 Mar '09

16 Mar '09

Hi, we visited Linuxtage Chemnitz and presented openSUSE at the booth (Stephan Binner and me) and via talks. http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2009/info/ It was a good show, they say about 2600 people were visiting and it was indeed quite full, including good visited talks. Also a very nice building with enough place for the show. This is some collected feedback what we heard there (A lot of people brought their notebooks to get some stuff fixed): 1. We fixed quite a number of notebooks wireless lan support. It was always missing firmware of either Broadcom or Ralink cards. (The ones we are currently not be allowed to ship). openSUSE 11.1 comes even already a script which is doing this for Broadcom, but it is not obvious to find and to use. So we should definitily do something about this, coolo suggested to create an update patch doing this. 2. "How can I update to KDE 4.2" question came very often, but we are good prepared for this with our KDE4 wiki page, I think. 3. "Your KDE 4 looks like KDE 3" feedback (meaned as a complain), basically because of the Aya theming, including the grey desktop bar. 4. One Gnome user (it was almost a KDE show) came because of problems with yast-gtk (do I really need to click once for each update ?). Can be solved via Control+A combination. 5. External SATA disks are handled as internal (aka fixed-mounted) disks due to HAL/PolicyKit rules (which are not easy to change). This means they are not mountable via desktop/HAL. When people are not able to run mount manually, these disks are not supported by Linux from their point of view. Apart from this we got as usual these questions often as usual: * How new is this openSUSE / when will be the next release ? * What is relationship of openSUSE and Novell ? * What is the difference between openSUSE and SUSE Linux Enterprise ? * No single discussion about the MS deal anymore, but general open discussions about patent issues in general and our view of this. Thanks got to the Linuxtage Chemnitz Team for this good show ! bye adrian -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH email: adrian(a)suse.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Google Summer of Code 2009 - Ideas and Help
by Sukhbir Singh 16 Mar '09

16 Mar '09

Hello, This is in regard to Google Summer of Code 2009. I have some ideas regarding Monsoon - the BitTorrent client presented in openSUSE. My idea can dramtically enhance file sharing speeds and reduce time. I have written a paper on the subject and it is pending review. I would love to see my idea implemented in openSUSE. If it seems, fit either I can make a completely new *solid* BitTorrent client or integrate my idea in Monsoon itself. The idea is completely original and has not been implemented anywhere. If this is the wrong mailing list, please let me know. If I am at the right place, and anyone can be a mentor, I am fully willing to discuss my idea. I promise, it is good and interesting. Regards Sukhbir Singh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Why is this Ubuntu?
by James Tremblay aka SLEducator 16 Mar '09

16 Mar '09

I believe that openSUSE would have been just as good a fit on a netbook as this: http://blogs.zdnet.com/gadgetreviews/?p=1221&tag=nl.e539 I think the reason things like this keep going Ubuntu is not that Ubuntu is better but that LTS makes Ubuntu more usable and more re-installable because its less update intensive. openSUSE 10.3 , A very likable and usable version takes almost 2 gb of updates to get to it's best. if all these updates had been rolled into a 10.3 LTS ISO it could have taken HP's breath away! It's our duty to find a way to keep the libre\free version of SUSE as close to enterprise as possible without stealing it's thunder. We have to find a blend of reliability and pioneering edge. SLED moves to slow for personal usage yet, IMHO , openSUSE seems to move to fast. -- James Tremblay openSIS Product Specialist http://www.os4ed.com CNE 3,4,5 MCSE w2k CLE in training Registered Linux user #440182 http://en.opensuse.org/education -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Why is this Ubuntu?
by Stephan Kulow 15 Mar '09

15 Mar '09

On Sunday 15 March 2009 14:10:13 Martin Schlander wrote: > > This discussion started when someone said that openSUSE is what we make of > it, but both 10.1 and 11.1 show that at least every 4th openSUSE release > (the x.1s) are very much so at the mercy of structures, planning and > decisions made by some invisible hand that I usally refer to as "Novell". I > think it's difficult to grow when every 4th release automatically sucks. It would of course help if fixing bugs wouldn't automatically be the task of "Novell". And what you say is wrong: openSUSE and SLE had feature freeze on the very same day. But e.g. SLE had more time to test and fix strings and translations and it showed - we wouldn't have changed that many strings (that were arguably very often broken or not translatable) without SLE. 11.1 wasn't automatically doomed because of SLE though, it had more to do with the short release cycle, the general fact that Novell developers were busy with features (and very often these features had no influence on the quality of openSUSE), the change to build within the build service and to a small part too the fact that we had a break in managing openSUSE releases due to several people being responsible over the course of 11.1. That surely didn't help either. But again, I think the biggest seed of growth of openSUSE are people from outside wanting to drive things - not just vote for a feature someone else has to do. It works pretty well e.g. with translations where I see a huge responsibility people take - and taking regressions as personal offense. There "Novell" has a very weak position and this is what it should be like I think :) There are many other examples (your oxygen icon set comes to my mind), but we're not there yet not to rely on "Novell" - and so Novell's products will have an impact - if they are on the same code base as openSUSE releases or not. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE 11.2 schedule
by Michael Loeffler 15 Mar '09

15 Mar '09

Moin, openSUSE 11.1 is almost out of the door and we (coolo, aj, zonker and myself) had some discussion about the release date for openSUSE 11.2. First we talked about July '09 release to come close to an 8 months release cycle. But KDE 4.3 is scheduled for release on June 30th and probably an OpenOffice.org release will be out end of June as well - both wouldn't make it into a July openSUSE 11.2. Therfor we're now thinking about a September release. Beside of getting the most current OpenOffice and KDE in thhis would even have one additional upside. It probably would be just in front of our openSUSE conference. So the conference could be used for very a focused openSUSE 11.3 planning. But it has its downside as well. Finalization of the release would happen during the summer holiday season. To address this we we added one Beta to stretch the development time a bit. Here's what we're talking about: 2009-02-05 openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 2009-03-05 openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 1 2009-04-02 openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 2 2009-04-30 openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 3 2009-05-28 openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 4 2009-06-25 openSUSE 11.2 Beta 1 2009-07-09 openSUSE 11.2 Beta 2 2009-07-24 openSUSE 11.2 Beta 3 2009-08-06 openSUSE 11.2 Beta 4 2009-08-20 openSUSE 11.2 RC1 2009-09-03 openSUSE 11.2 GM 2009-09-10 openSUSE 11.2 Public Release Events to consider March 3-8 CeBIT March 8-13 BrainShare June 24-27 LinuxTag June 3-11 Akademy/Guadec Sept openSUSE conference (mid of sept) Sept Plumbers conference (around Sept 20-25) Let us know what you're thinking about this. Best M -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Roadmap
by Stephan Kulow 13 Mar '09

13 Mar '09

Hi, As you may have noticed, we have yet to publish a roadmap for 11.2. The reason is simple: There are a lot of moving pieces at the moment, and we don't want to commit to a schedule we can't keep -- or keep a schedule that doesn't fit the project's long-term needs. To give us something to plan around, we would like to propose a fixed release schedule. As a six-month release schedule is not something we consider feasible to maintain high-quality standards, we are proposing a fixed eight- month schedule. We have spent a considerable amount of time asking if we should go with a September release for 11.2 and then adopt an eight-month release schedule, or begin with an eight-month release schedule right away. And we came to the conclusion that it's best to adopt the eight-month schedule right away. A six-month release cycle is interesting because you "only" have to find two months in the year for a release. Eight months makes it slightly more complicated, as you have a rotating schedule, and lose a month in the summer and winter for holidays. So, what we're proposing is this -- the next openSUSE release in November 2009, with the next releases in July 2010, March 2011, and so forth: November 2009: "Fichte" 11.2 July 2010: "Rousseau" 11.3 March 2011: "Voltaire" 12.0 November 2011: "Lessing" 12.1 This gives us a single release in 2009 and 2010, and two releases in 2011. The version names and numbers may change, of course. Public releases would happen on the Thursday before the 15th of the month, and the gold master (GM) would be finalized one week prior to that. We are planning a strict four-week release candidate (RC) phase. This means that the last chance to change _anything_ but really urgent fixes would be the check-in deadline of RC1, which would be released in week 41 in 2009. The schedule would leave us with whatever software we have at that point. For example, we'll miss KDE 4.5 for 11.3 or the spring version of GNOME for 12.0. If missing these releases is a problem, let's discuss this _now_. Of course, this doesn't mean we can't publish supported or unsupported addons or updated live CDs with the respective desktops or similar software: We just need people willing to do it. Why such a late release date? Releasing 11.2 in November has some advantages over releasing in September: - We don't rely on contributions during the summer months that much. - We can easily integrate GNOME 2.28. - We are more likely to have working drivers for hardware released in early summer is higher. (This is a weak advantage since the summer release of Intel's graphic chips didn't work out with a December release either.) - We simply have more time for everything. The features we have in mind for 11.2 center around these top features: * Newer and better software, including: - KDE 4.3 - GNOME 2.28, - Linux kernel 2.6.30 or higher * Ext4 - possibly even as the default filesystem. * Provide YaST Web interface for easier remote adminstration. * Netbook support - Offer USB images - possibly even with deployment tool if someone writes it. - Include free drivers necessary for the netbook support. * Officially support live updates - we need way more people to use factory and report problems though. * Quicker, Faster and more Colourful OK, I better stop here. This is already a pretty long mail - looking forward to your feedback. The last time we discussed schedules, the feedback was very good - and got us thinking quite a long time. ;) Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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