May 2007 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] about the fud speculation thread
by Druid 22 May '07

22 May '07

Hi First of all Im posting in a separate thread because Ive jsut subscribed to the list, which is a thing I did not want, as I dont see many things get done via mailing lists,and having one more even, meh. But well, since some people asked me and since Ive been reading stuff in the lists.opensuse.org, here I am. I know you people are going to love, because Im a lovable person. But lets get to the point. Here it goes, and its about mharris post and bad attitude: I dont know what exactly do you want. I cant understand. You always post lots of bad news about Novell, that are based on speculation and I really dont understand how exactly this helps the project. Can you explain how is this helping the project? I fail to see. I dont see any proposal, any action, anything useful coming from those threads, all I see is that it wastes people's time. People that do useful things, that take actions, rea actions, in opensuse. The reason there is always not a single positive result about yours and others threads is that you people are doing it with the sole purpose to "release your stress" by bashing someone, in a topic that will probably get som support from others, even if they dont understand, because the favourite sport of the season, it seems, is to bash novell and opensuse. People like you releasing and posting news like you that pretend to know things like you are rotting the discussions. People that you say that know better, that your news are based on facts known by lawyers. The news you said that are facts like the one saying novell violates gplv2 and should stop distributing linux. Those are facts right? It wasnt speculation, or fud, it was 100% facts right, like if I was looking at the sky and saying it is blue. I know "forget" that, as it is convenient. And if its 100% correct, why not forward it to a suse list and take a shot on novell right? It will be a stress-release activity, people will know me ("I need public attention"), that cant go wrong. People on the list that if they care they probably already know about it, as it is in any lkinux news site. Yeah, sounds like a damn good idea. And now you take it to here, which is a place that Ive heard from pals that IS WORKING. That get things done. Why? To waste people's time in here too? I will be a bit paranoia mode nonsense and ask here: do you want all this damn project to fail as a whole? Your actions seems to indicate exactly that. People cant see other people doing positive things that they need to come right away and bash and criticize them. Its a damn shame. That is when I look at those colaborative projects an think "it will fail". Because nocive people like you can and are successfully disrupting the activities of the project. And you say you would take it to another list? That would be excellent, but I doubt (and bet) you wouldnt take it to another list, because you like the attention it draws over you, it makes you feel special, right? You would never post it to a list for that, because here and in opensuse@opensuse it irritates dar more people right? Of course I dont expect anything different as replies to my email than people complaining about my language or addressing completely different things from my topic in this email, as its the usual, and its even more disappointing... Heck, I dont even think people will address any of the points of this email. Disappointed with mankind. Marcio --- druid --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] SUSE Vouchers Have No Expiration Date! (Unlike MS's Patent Bullying)
by M Harris 21 May '07

21 May '07

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070518124020691 Groklaw covers the story... "No wonder, as Moglen puts it, Microsoft has been tossing the vouchers wholesale out of airplanes "as though the coupons themselves were hot, as indeed they are". But now here comes Moglen saying even that won't work, because of the lack of an expiration date on the vouchers." -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE PR on Novell
by Francis Giannaros 19 May '07

19 May '07

On a good note, I'm really happy to hear that some discussions have been going on about Novell marketing with regard to openSUSE. It would be really nice if we could know the results of those discussions. I thought I'd just raise http://www.novell.com/products/opensuse/comparative.html also as one of the items that needs to be changed. "Linux users and technical enthusiasts, experienced computer users and community developers" There also seems to be some other misconceptions in that comparison, like "Retail" instead of mentioning online download as well. A little unsure about the "limited availability" of security patches. These are guaranteed, right? Kind thoughts, -- Francis Giannaros http://francis.giannaros.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] survey draft for 3rd party software on openSUSE
by Michael Loeffler 17 May '07

17 May '07

Hi, we created a survey -still draft version- with the goal to get better knowledge about the usage of proprietary 3rd party sofware we ship with some versions of openSUSE. Based on the survey we'd like to decide about what we ship in future versions of openSUSE regarding proprietary software. Please have a look at: http://www.surveymonkey.com/Users/33889499/Surveys/413433852485/CC07C39C-76… and give feedback on the list. After incorporation of your feedback we'll announce the survey to get broad feedback. Best Michael -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nuremberg SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE PR on Novell
by Kai Ponte 15 May '07

15 May '07

On Mon, May 14, 2007 3:50 pm, Martin Schlander wrote: > Den Monday 14 May 2007 03:44:30 skrev James Tremblay: >> you probably installed it for them giving them the upper hand on "Joe User" >> in regards to dealing with the package manager. No one is disputing that >> once it's installed openSUSE is the most wonderful and usable distro available. > > I'm a little split here - I can accept that Novell marketing says it's for > enthusiasts. Non-enthusiasts can use it with a little > enthusiast-hand-holding - and exactly the same goes for MS Windows or Ubuntu > when it's not preinstalled and preconfigured. Even then - whether Wintendo, The Cult of Mac or SUSE - the "average" user will easily get lost and need some hand-holding. > > Do the enterprise users install and configure the system themselves? I'd think > they have some admins for that. No, they have low-paid college techs for that. > What percentage of MS Windows users > install > their own operating system? I'd be surprised if it were greater than 2-3%. > To some extent any not-preinstalled OS is for enthusiasts, but that's no > reason to discourage people from using it. > > Dell and Ubuntu are saying the same thing about Ubuntu - that it's targetting > the enthusiast market. It's when Novell people say it's "bleeding edge for > geeks" that they really cross the line and my blood starts to boil. Agreed! That is pretty stupid on the part of Novell. But then this is the same company which trumpeted Netware 4.0 as "better" than the 3.x series. Maybe some of the same marketing clods are working there. > > I don't agree with Justin Steinman that we are worse than neither Ubuntu nor > MS Windows wrt. stability or usability. We certainly have room for improvement, but those products damn sure do too. > > My point of view is that Novell people don't seem to realize the quality > openSUSE has to compared to other free as in beer distros with regular releases. There's absolutely no reason not to recommend it. > > Of course 10.1 was a disaster ...actually only the Beagle thingy (still a problem in 10.2) and Zen (still a problem in 10.2) are disasters. The rest seems to work fine. > but any sane person will have repressed > that > from their memory. And there's no reason to believe problems of that magnitude can re-occur. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Project launch: openSUSE Software Portal / Application Manager
by Pascal Bleser 12 May '07

12 May '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 (sorry for the somewhat exhaustive list of recipients, just trying to spread the word and hunt for participants) We had our kickoff openSUSE Software Portal project meeting today. The goals are to provide the best possible end-user experience with regards to package installation/upgrading at large. The idea is to provide several software components and services: * a server backend that aggregates various kinds of information * a web client, including one-click installation (yast2-mpp) * a desktop client (GTK/Qt/YaST) More information about the project: http://en.opensuse.org/Software_Portal http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/2007/05/project-launch-opensuse-software-porta… Basic infrastructure is set up, so if you want to join the effort (any help is more than welcome), please subscribe to our mailing-list [1] We're definitely looking for Java/Python/YCP developers, web designers, artwork designers, and people with ideas, suggestions, and motivation. [1]http://forge.novell.com/mailman/listinfo/appinstaller-devel Please spread the word ;) cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <pascal.bleser(a)skynet.be> <guru(a)unixtech.be> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGRk8Hr3NMWliFcXcRAnufAJ9fU68sxeaKL8NoKKYWQRtuQKGRZQCdGHeU A/HjKGDtiVefXYQ9AjU6Kmg= =JH/6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-wiki] New Download Page
by Nikolay Derkach 11 May '07

11 May '07

В сообщении от Friday 11 May 2007 16:12:36 Martin Schlander написал(а): > > > - I fear the way it looks now people with support for 64bit will feel > > > they must get the 64bit version. Which is likely to cause them a few > > > problems they would not face if they installed the 32bit version. > > > > Like what? > > Honestly if there are problems running 64bit stuff on a 64bit system > > then these problems should be reported and we should try to fix them. > > Little things that are not really fixable by a distributor. If it causes problems for you it's worth to report bugs, for others x86_64 system works fine. BTW: other disributions indeed have more biarch issues. > - There are more x86-packages. Subjective point, wrt. main repositories, Build Service and main external repos have packages for both architectures. > - w32codecs don't work with 64bit players (I believe). Of course you can > play almost everything with free codecs these days, but still.. Wrong, it works for me. > - Java apps such as limewire or azureus tend to cause problems Again, report bugs... > - tarballs compile more often without problems on 32bit I think, A user should not compile, this is packager's work. > - biarch can cause some problems, people must remember to keep 32bit > firefox to have working java webplugin. I don't use ff, but in konqueror java apps do work. > > Stuff like that.. Summary: we should decrease number of 32bit packages on biarch systems as far as possible. -- Regards, Nikolay Derkach --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] ltsp on openSUSE
by James Tremblay 11 May '07

11 May '07

I have just completed the first set of installation instructions for LTSP on Opensuse 10.2 Could I ask that those interested in using this give it a try. Could I also ask the LTSP devs to give it a try. I know opensuse is foreign to most of you but your input on what is missing and what can be done to finish it up would be deeply appreciated. Cyberorg and I are in the #opensuse-kiwi forum at irc.freenode.net daily starting around 6:30 am EST and there until somewhere around noon. schaefi is the core dev for KIWI and he can be left messages in the forum pertaining to things that need to be done to the chroot and kiwi in general. -- James Tremblay Director of Technology Newmarket School District Novell CNE 3\4\5 CLE \ NCE in training. http://en.opensuse.org/education --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] More bad PR from Novell
by Francis Giannaros 10 May '07

10 May '07

So I have to rush out, but once again, some Novell PR guys have done it again. This time it's from Bruce Lowry, who druid was in correspondence with precisely about this issue! He appeared to understand the problem and said that they're working on changing that. Nevertheless, directly from his blog http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?p=326 we have: * "openSUSE is targeted at the technical enthusiasts who want a cutting-edge distribution to sample the latest and greatest Linux technology." I'm quite angry again so I won't email him straight away; perhaps later. :) Kind thoughts, -- Francis Giannaros http://francis.giannaros.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] <sigh>.. more explaining needed wrt. MS-deal
by Martin Schlander 10 May '07

10 May '07

Today some information that's new to me and apparently to most others surfaces. Apparently the patent-part of the deal does not _only_ cover customers. Our good friend Justin Steinman says: "... in order to deliver the interoperability between Novell eDirectory and Microsoft Active Directory, as well as the bidirectional virtualization between Windows and SUSE Linux Enterprise, Novell required sanctioned access to Microsoft's code in order to develop open source interoperability without violating Microsoft's intellectual property." http://www.businessreviewonline.com/os/archives/2007/05/novell_confirms.html Now the eDirectory and Active Directory part I don't care much about - though I wonder how I missed this information before. I thought I had followed the debate pretty closely. But what's really concerning is that to me it seems like he's saying XEN (or at least the Novell edition) will be covered by MS "intellectual property" in the future. Can someone explain this to me. It would be nice to be prepared when people start attacking us again. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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