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[opensuse-project] Automatix for openSUSE...
by Peter Flodin 16 Oct '07

16 Oct '07

Hi all, Having just returned from using Ubuntu as my main OS for a few months (I give another distro a go every now and then, but I have returned everytime so far :-), there is one thing that Ubuntu users have available that makes it very easy to setup a new machine, and that is Automatix. http://getautomatix.com/ . Automatix has got a good wrap lately with the admission that Michael Dell (of Dell Computers) uses it on his personal computer. Ideally one would solve it without yet another way to install things. What stops us (technically, legally etc) creating a similar meta repository for openSUSE, that doesn't host the actual packages but just pointers to download them from the 3rd parties? eg: http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-1.4.0.118-suse.i586.rpm http://download.gizmoproject.com/GizmoDownload/gizmo-project-3.1.0.77-1.i38… http://download3.vmware.com/software/vmplayer/VMware-player-2.0.1-55017.i38… etc ie. it covers 3rd party packages that we can't host or redistribute, but a nice central location that is a great benefit for the user. pflodo Peter Flodin. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Status Action Items
by Christian Boltz 15 Oct '07

15 Oct '07

Hello, here's the status of Action Items. Luckily, I didn't say I'll always post it the day after the meeting (I just said "after the meeting") - otherwise I would have to say that I'm late ;-)) A note to all AI assignees: If there are news about your AI, please add a comment to bugzilla. New Action Items: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ # (not in bugzilla) Switch meeting time for every second meeting so that people in other timezones can attend. See the discussion in this mailinglist. #334142 Aniruddh requested to set up an offical Dutch openSUSE mailing list -> Action Item henne: create opensuse-nl(a)opensuse.org Work in progress: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ #328622 - help.opensuse.org translations Several languages are available already, more to come. BTW: Pascal, the german translation is OK ;-) #223288 - create installation/usage videos The videos are finished, but too large for YouTube. Martin proposed to use Google video instead. #223290 - better wishlist handling using FATE This AI switched from blocked (no time) to work in progress :-) There is some technical discussion in bugzilla, and henne said in the meeting that cwh is working on it. #229213 - clarify bugzilla usage for packages in build service (ETA: November) More or less done, there's just a link in the web interface missing. #238355 - status of cn wiki (ETA: 09.24) Will be renamed to zh-cn and zh-classical, otherwise ready. Martin is working on it. #328611 - Try out wishlist handling / feature tracking in the wiki The GNOME team made a nice overview of different tracking methods: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/FeaturePlanning The details about FATE are blocked by AI #328613 #293726 - Creation of Babel wiki Blocked by some technical problems, but nobody remembered what was wrong ;-) #238350 - unmaintained wikis (is, es, vi) No news, but Martin will post to the wiki list to improve the situation. After the last AI status report, Gabriel <gabriel.sgt(a)gmail.com> wrote he is trying to maintain the main pages of the spanish wiki, but short of time. In the meeting, there was a discussion how to handle completely outdated wikis. There were basically two opinions - adding a big disclaimer on the start page with a link to en.opensuse.org (advantage: no "404", easier if someone wants to work on it again) - completely shut it down (but keep a backup if someone wants to work on it again) Action Item notlocalhorst: put a big fat disclaimer on vi.o.o that its completely unmaintained - and talk to the maintainer (I'll add this to #238350 because it's a sub-AI ;-) AIs without any news: (since the last meeting) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ #328613 - Prepare explanation of Fate features and processses in the wiki -> no news #173961 - openSUSE merchandising -> WIP, but no news Blocked AIs: ~~~~~~~~~~~~ #164757- SDB style guide / differences SDB, HOWTO (No time) #164761 - built service trust/rating system (no time and resources - ETA 2008) -> ETA was set in the meeting #267437 - community comitee, @opensuse.org mail addresses etc. (Blocked by User Directory) Things that were done: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ #328594 - Release BuildService Roadmap Adrian and Klaas have published the new BuildService roadmap on the wiki: http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/Roadmap And, as already written in my last status mail: #281622 - put packages from czech packagers team into buildservice Vladimir wrote this will be done on demand from the community (but not before because it's some additional work) So if you want to help maintaining one of the packages listed on http://en.opensuse.org/Czech_Packagers_Team/Packages_sorted_by_maintainer speak up now ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- One of the main reasons for the downfall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] opensuse upgrade: newer, faster, worse
by Maciej Pilichowski 14 Oct '07

14 Oct '07

Hello, The reason for this mail is quite simple -- I've been using open/suse for a long time and I am afraid to see how opensuse is getting better, yet on the other hand is getting worse. Better -- because for example computer boots faster, worse -- because to do the same thing as before, user has to download extra packages, download "outdated" packages or learn again how to make things work with new tools. For me meaning of upgrade is simply -- user should upgrade system and everything should work as before, minimum. The only changes could be: everything is faster, more secure, reliable, etc. Examples: opensuse dropped smbfs package some time ago, and this done silently, when you try to use smbfs... nothing, no information why, what should user do. losetup worked perfectly well in 10.2, after upgrade user is supposed to set from scratch her/his configuration to make things work. I don't want only to complain, because it is wasting time. My propositions: a) let's say user works with OS X.Y with package P installed older than the basic package from this OS version (example opensuse 10.2 and cups 1.1) -- do not touch such packages! it is clear that user intentionally downgraded this package to work with it, it was her/his will so do not force upgrade of such packages b) dropping software (like smbfs (*)) -- provide fake packages (I already reported this idea), so when user tries to use it explain what she/he should do with it b.1) however this example (*) shows a bad judgement -- I think it is better to provide unmaintained code to help users, than to remove such software and make things worse for users (cifs does not work so well) c) if one tool is replaced with another (losetup example) provide converter, so user could call losetup-backward-compability script and all arguments would be translated to the new tool used in opensuse d) if it is only possible (technically) maintain backward compatibility, ignoring current userbase in such manner reminds me of one big firm and its attitude -- it is bad example to follow In general: it is better to make things work in one place (opensuse distribution) so every user could benefit from it, than ignoring users workplace and making them fix system after upgrade to the state before upgrade. This just a wasting time. Backward compatibility really matters -- it is no use I get new, great cups if it does not work for me at all. The same goes for every other package. Currently this issue is being treated too lightly (in my opinion). Thank you for your time, have a nice day, bye -- Maciej Pilichowski --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] asking for repository adding on yast
by Andrea Florio 14 Oct '07

14 Oct '07

Hi, i'm ANDREA FLORIO, user Anubisg1, member of the italian wiki translation team and manteiner of anubisg1-repository > http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories#Anubisg1 I have a request to make, I would like to see my repository in the list showed by yast, that's why: 1 My repository have only hard testing packages by users, all of that working 2 In a single repository i'm trying to include all instant messagin programs and others tools not included in OSS or packman repository 3 My repository is the only one the includes: ## aMSN-0.97-RC1 and aMSN-0.97-SVN (with amsn-skins and amsn-plugins) http://www.amsn-project.net/; ## openC6 http://openc6.sourceforge.net/ (italian C6-messenger clone); ## KMess http://www.kmess.org/; ## Emesene http://www.emesene.org; ## AcetoneISO2 http://www.acetoneteam.org/central.html; ## AcetoneISO2-SVN http://www.acetoneteam.org/central.html; ## MoioSMS-2.13 http://www.moioli.net/Progetti___1/MoioSMS___Messaggi_GRATIS_da_Internet___…; ## Ueagle-data-firmware (and soon ueagle-atm-drivers) www.eagle-usb.org/ ## A working version of GRUB-GFXboot http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Grub+gfxboot+splash+openSUSE?conte… ## LiVES http://lives.sourceforge.net/ (I have to upgrade to last version) And more i have: ## Pidgin (ever the last version, it exit befor of Gnome:Community) http://www.pidgin.im/; ## Amule-cvs (it's present in packman but mine have some little bigfix more, like menù entry) ## Amule-Adunanza ## Ekiga ## Licq ## Various libraries like libqt4 (imported from KDE:Qt project because needed for building and use acetoneISO, SLES/SLED users likes it) You could see any packages and libraries from here: > http://en.opensuse.org/User:Anubisg1#News_Repository_Anubisg1 Hoping you to accept my request, best regards Andrea Florio (Anubisg1) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Mailing list change
by James Tremblay 12 Oct '07

12 Oct '07

Hey guys, there are always these post disparaging the newbies for top posting and not trimming. Personally, I think top posting is a good thing, with it i can just open a list item and read the latest response rather than scrolling down past the stuff I read the day before. Any way I'm not asking to change the rules. I am asking if we can add to the confirmation e-mail a link to the rules. Is it possible to add the link to every message forwarded by the system like a header? http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette I have also recently been asked to read this,http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html which was very helpful. I pledge to do my best to follow these rules and to reread them regularly. Thank You -- James Tremblay Director of Technology Newmarket School District 213 S. Main st Newmarket NH, 03857 603-659-3271 *318 CNE 3,4,5 MCSE w2k CLE in training Registered Linux user #440182 http://en.opensuse.org/educationk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Bad reviews about 10.3 (was: Redirector issues)
by Pascal Bleser 11 Oct '07

11 Oct '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 (cross-posting on purpose, see below) Adrian Schröter wrote: > On Tuesday 09 October 2007 03:10:10 wrote Benji Weber: [...] >> Some of the mirrors are broken or under heavy load, but the redirector >> is still redirecting people to those mirrors. This coupled with the >> fact that the openSUSE installer now selects "use online repositories" >> by default (a good thing) means that many people are experiencing >> failed installations. > > I would be happy, if you can name some ;) [...] >> Quite a number of users have commented on this behaviour, I have >> experienced it myself with 2 installs already. It has also been >> mentioned in some reviews, contributing to overall bad reviews of >> 10.3. > > Do you you have URLs ? Lots, seriously. Gut feeling is that currently, there are even more bad reviews about 10.3 than 10.2 (which is quite surprising, given that 10.3 definitely hasn't got the package management issues 10.2 had). I think we should collect URLs to bad reviews somewhere (on the wiki ?) and comment them there, to try to identify what the most annoying problems were -- and whether it's just motivated by the usual "anti-Novell-because-it's-in-bed-with-MS" FUD from so-called journalists or whether they actually have a point. To me, many of the reviews are motivated by the hatred against Novell and you can feel the tone right from the start, they're just looking for things to criticize, but even in those, they may have a point with 2 or 3 things. Shall we discuss this on -project ? (already answered, I'm cross-posting) Oh, and getting rid of compiz would probably remove 50% of the problems people have with openSUSE 10.3 but.. ok, let's keep that for -project :) cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <pascal.bleser(a)skynet.be> <guru(a)unixtech.be> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHCywwr3NMWliFcXcRAh9bAJ9w10oa41pbyQ9zwKCrLSLxKMVOagCfcqdE wTY7hngMyu2+SBIE/YvENDY= =GDwF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-artwork] Re: [opensuse-project] I-Support-the-Guiding-Principles-Button-Template
by Robert Lihm 11 Oct '07

11 Oct '07

On 11.10.2007, at 05:20, Charles A. Landemaine wrote: > On 10/10/07, Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser(a)skynet.be> wrote: >> IMO it would be more appropriate to pixelize (*) the "opensuse" text, >> it's not that easy to read as it's an antiliased, scaled down TTF >> font. > > Robert's banners are nicely designed. I would also suggest using a > bitmap font to improve readability, ie: > > http://www.auriance.com/docs/tmp/microbanner-opensuse.org.png > http://www.auriance.com/docs/tmp/microbanner-opensuse.png > Is that a font? How it's called? I really like it. > Kind regards, > > -- > Charles A. Landemaine. ____________________________________________________________ Robert Lihm, Graphics Designer SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-116 - rlihm(a)suse.de ____________________________________________________________ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ____________________________________________________________ SUSE - a Novell business --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] I-Support-the-Guiding-Principles-Button-Template
by Robert Lihm 11 Oct '07

11 Oct '07

Hi, We plan to make a button-template for the o.o-wiki, which can be used by users e.g. on the wiki-user-pages to show, that they support the guiding principles. I made 2 drafts for a button: http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/3/32/Support_gp_grey.png http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/e/eb/Support_gp_green.png Any vetoes, suggestions, ideas? Regards Robert ____________________________________________________________ Robert Lihm, Graphics Designer SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0 - rlihm(a)suse.de ____________________________________________________________ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ____________________________________________________________ SUSE - a Novell business --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Mailflood from the wiki
by Martin Lasarsch 10 Oct '07

10 Oct '07

Hi We are working on the email notification system, unfortunately it send a lot of old mails. sorry for the inconvenience. -- with kind regards, Martin Lasarsch, Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nürnberg GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) martin.lasarsch(a)suse.de - http://www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE GNOME meeting (2007/10/04)
by Rodrigo Moya 10 Oct '07

10 Oct '07

- Most of the opensuse-gnome team going to the Boston summit Wiki status: - Initial task done, will continue to update to get good GNOME-related information - Still no mail notifications AI *** Boyd to poke Henne on mail notifications Feature requests and mini projects: - No conclusion yet on what to use, options are idea.o.o, bugzilla, wiki and partnerfate AI *** captain_magnus and cyberorg to look at idea.o.o source code and create a wiki page with all pros and cons of each of the solutions AI *** create an initial dumping ground page for brainstorming Bug plan status: - Criteria for what bugs to fix: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Bugs#Criteria_for_bugs_to_fix - Use whiteboard/keyboards for marking the criteria for GNOME bugs - Need review of old distros GNOME bugs and a way to know what old bugs are still present in our latest distro - People should continue voting for bugs they want fixed AI *** add queries for 10.1 and older to the bugs page GNOME:Community policy: - Packaging guidelines needed to nail the G@C policy - OSC plugin to create spec files almost done AI *** someone needs to get the packaging guidelines task GNOME:STABLE merge: - G:STABLE and G:UNSTABLE will be updated to contain what's in FACTORY - G:STABLE will no longer after that be updated to 2.20.1 - G:UNSTABLE to 2.21.x and will be the base for all GNOME development, both internal and external AI *** need a glossary of the different repositories we use AI *** Put task list review on the agenda (JP) -- Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo(a)novell.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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