July 2021 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Regular Community Meeting: July 31
by ddemaio 16 Aug '21

16 Aug '21

Hi all, I wanted to send out an email before this Saturday's regular scheduled meeting. The meeting will take place at 17:00 UTC. With the deactivation of connect.o.o., I think this Saturday would be a good time to go over the membership application process we have established using connect.o.o. (https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members) and identify processes we will need to change so that we have a procedure established for when connect.o.o. goes offline. Last week we completed the software.o.o. proposal. I hope to give a status update on this during the Aug. 21 meeting. I'll be on holiday for the next couple meetings following this Saturday's meeting. Meeting Details Date: Saturday, July 31 Time: Meeting at 17:00 UTC Location: https://meet.opensuse.org/meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/weeklymeeting20210731 [1] Moderator: Doug Leader: Doug Supporters: attendees Topic: (Default Topic is completely a social meeting) connect.o.o and membership processes A copy of meeting notes will be sent to opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org after the end of the meeting. v/r Doug Links: ------ [1] https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/weeklymeeting20210724

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lifecycle wiki page
by ddemaio 16 Aug '21

16 Aug '21

Hi all, There was a recent post on reddit (https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/m1xl56/is_opensuse_leap_ready_to_be…) that made us take a look at how to present our lifecycle page (https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime) and info to be added to the marketing of Leap 15.3. There were several comments on reddit that can be summarized as there is a lack of clear information on how long the lifecycle of Leap 15.x will be going forward. When the info on https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime was originally written, there was some clarity on major versions lasting a minimum of 36 months. We know Leap 42 and 15 exceeded that lifecycle. It looks like we're at a point where we evolved and need to provide a bit more clarity for people based on the reddit comments I propose we change the lifecycle page to include the following sentences and include the info in the marketing of Leap 15.3 and beyond (for the foreseeable future): Leap *Major Release* (15.x) extends maintenance and support until a successor. At present, a successor has not been declared; Leap 15's lifecycle fully aligns with SUSE Linux Enterprise. There is a projection as of March 2021 that Leap 15 will extend to Leap 15.5. Both major versions of Leap 42 and 15 were supported more than 36 months. Any thoughts, changes, removals or additions to the above sentences. v/r Doug

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Evergreen, where has the Long Term Support gone...
by Chuck Payne 16 Aug '21

16 Aug '21

Good morning, So, question. We use to have Evergreen which was going to be our LTS version, so that when a distro reached the magical .3 in the release, we could switch to Evergreen. I haven't seen anything on it in while, has Evergreen stopped? Do we not have any LTS version? I am switching a lot of systems from openSUSE 42.3 to 15.3, and I am saddened by the number of software packages that seem to have been removed. One of the reasons I started using SuSE back in the day was, it had the most packages, which was awesome. Here is an example, Nginx has a log of module packages that are no longer there. Oh, please don't tell me to go too software.opensuse.org, is great only if people keep their software up-to-date. I don't know how many packages I have found only to get that it going to do break major things. Even Tumbleweed seems to be losing packages. Did I miss something? -- Terror PUP a.k.a Chuck "PUP" Payne ----------------------------------------- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- openSUSE -- Terrorpup openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein Register Linux Userid: 155363 openSUSE Community Member since 2008.

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[opensuse-project] Can one manually become a "Member Emeritus"
by Stefan Seyfried 09 Aug '21

09 Aug '21

Hi all, after reading https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members, I understand that I can cancel my membership status with immediate effect and forever. To become a "Member Emeritus", with a "way back" into the community in case things might turn good again, I have to wait for the status request and just not respond to it. But the last such request was almost 3 years ago. IIUC I need to stop all actions on the mailing lists (might be a good idea ;-)) and packaging (not so good) for the bot to pick me up. So is there a manual procedure to follow to become "Member Emeritus"? Best regards, Stefan -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Reminder meeting : openSUSE Board meeting next Monday (13:00 Europe/Berlin)
by openSUSE Meeting Reminder 02 Aug '21

02 Aug '21

Hello all, The biweekly board conf call will be held in two days at 13:00 Europe/Berlin Meeting will be in the regular Board Meeting Room https://meet.opensuse.org/OSBoard Current Topics: https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Board Members: If you cannot participate, please advise by replying to this mail.

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Board Meeting Minutes 2021-07-19, 1300 CEST
by Axel Braun 26 Jul '21

26 Jul '21

*** Board Meeting Minutes 2021-07-19 1300 CEST *** Attendees: Gertjan, Gerald, Neal, Simon, Axel Excused: Vinz, Syds Minutes: Axel Guests: Doug, Bittin, Attila, Maurizio ** Meeting reminder ** - Automatic invitiation still not working - Axel opened a new pull request that hopefully fixes it ** Asia Summit Logo contest ** - Following the trademark guidelines on deviating logo layout, the logo winning the logo contest needs board approval. - Simon to reply with board approval ** openSUSE Asia Keynote (#21) ** - Neal willing to hold keynote, but due to timeszone he will probably not stay for the whole event. ** Different policies in different devel projects (#20) ** - AI on Simon to ask community about policy proposals ** Succession planning for board members ** - Some changes made to the onboarding page - no further feedback received on changes - Gerald offers 1:1 talk to board candidates ** Regular Rebuild (Respin) of Leap installation media (#23) ** - have a 4GB image downloaded, and then another 2GB of updates is not smart - SLE started respins every 3 month - There is a market for respins, esp. from Asia where internet connection is not the best - Board to send mail to RelEng Team to propose respin (Axel) - Axel to join release engineering meeting ** public part closed 13:45 CEST **

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Regular Community Meeting: July 24
by ddemaio 24 Jul '21

24 Jul '21

Hi all, I wanted to send out an email before our regular scheduled meeting this Saturday. There are two meetings planned for this Saturday. Adrien has kindly offered to run a meeting at 11:00 UTC and the other meeting will take place at 17:00 UTC according to the results we had from the survey. I will attend the 17:00 meeting and have a proposal I will present to attendees regarding software.o.o. I saw the discussion from last week and don't want to veer away from the time we promised to do a meeting based on the survey. Adrien and I plan to chat about the two meetings and going forward over a couple weeks we can determine if we need something different or want to make it during the middle of the week or find some sort of rotating time. Meeting Details Date: Saturday, July 24 Time: Meeting 1 at 11:00 UTC. Meeting 2 at 17:00 UTC (per the survey) Location: https://meet.opensuse.org/meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/weeklymeeting20210724 Moderator: Meeting 1 is Adrien. Meeting 2 is Doug Leader: Meeting 1 is Adrien. Meeting 2 is Doug Supporters: attendees Topic: (Default Topic is completely a social meeting) software.o.o. A copy of meeting notes will be sent to opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org after the end of the meeting. v/r Doug

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Reminder meeting : openSUSE Board meeting next Monday (1300h Europe/Berlin)
by Axel Braun 19 Jul '21

19 Jul '21

Hello all, The biweekly board conf call will be held on monday at 1300h Europe/Berlin time. Meeting will be in the regular Board Meeting Room https://meet.opensuse.org/OSBoard Current Topics: https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Board Members: If you cannot participate, please advise by replying to this mail. Cheers Axel

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Proposed outline on regular community meetings
by ddemaio 19 Jul '21

19 Jul '21

Hi all, The results of a recent community survey found that 72.46% of respondents believed having a regular weekly meeting for the openSUSE Community is a good idea. To have a regular meeting outside the other technical meetings that exist within the project,, it would be good to have a structure and set of protocols for the meetings. Furthermore, it would make sense to have a couple people willing to take ownership of leading the meetings. I know I can not make a meeting this Saturday since I'm at a wedding the whole weekend. The idea of a regular community meetings came about to: Improve openSUSE projects’ communications Improve the social environment and awareness of projects within the openSUSE Project Understand how projects and participants interact and are structured Below is the proposed outline for the meeting. Meeting Details Date: Every Saturday from 17:00 to 19:00 UTC (per the survey) Location: https://meet.opensuse.org/meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/weeklymeeting Moderator: (A group or team of two to three people willing to rotate ownership, takes notes and sends email) Leader: (Person willing to lead a topic for the week) Supporters: (People willing to support the topic being discussed) Topic: (Default Topic is completely a social meeting) Planned topics/proposal: (Should be submitted in Meeting Notes one week before) Impromptu topics: (If time allows and nothing is planned) Topics can involve a tech talk, project proposals, sprint, wiki gardening, desktop or package development, marketing, etc. This is basically a meeting for the community to be decided. Copy of meeting notes needs to be sent to opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org after the end of the meeting.

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Becoming github/openSUSE member
by David Mulder 12 Jul '21

12 Jul '21

So, I'm already an openSUSE member, but how do I get added to the openSUSE github organization? I'd like to possibly add a package there. Also, what are the standards for adding something there? I've got a package that isn't openSUSE-specific, but is un-maintained/barely-maintained in the community. I'm planning to resurrect it, and thought openSUSE might be a good place to make its home. This is the project: https://github.com/ufven/cepces -- *David Mulder* Labs Software Engineer, Samba SUSE 1800 Novell Place Provo, UT 84606 (P)+1 801.861.6571 dmulder(a)suse.com <http://www.suse.com/>

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Board Meeting Minutes 2021-07-05
by Syds Bearda 11 Jul '21

11 Jul '21

Hi all, Minutes public board meeting Monday July 5, 2021 Present: Gertjan, Neal (late due to issues with PC), Simon, Syds, Gerald (late due to train delay) Apologies / Holidays: Vinz, Axel Guests: Doug, Adrian, Bill, Andi Topics from https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Any other topics? 1) minimum number of board members present for a board meeting? As we started with only a few board members, we were wondering if there was a minimum. However after a few more minutes we had enough members taking place. AI: Simon create the rule/ discuss if we need to create this rule. 2) Doug: weekly meeting on setting up social infrastructures like Fedora to provide a bit more structure in communication and decision making. Gertjan: the path to contribute as well. Been discussing this in the bar a lot. openSUSE consists of a lot of communities within communities within communities, etc. Neal: from the Fedora council a lot has been delegated to different commities, for example We've had this before, but kind of fell between "the ship and land" Adrian: documentation is started, but doesn't go a long way. Who is doing the documentation?; It's the people that need the documentation. For example on the marketing docs team, we don't know who to ask to review the documents that they've created. AI: Simon helps Adrian in finding the people to Marketing Docs team need for reviewing the docs. Gertjan: my point is also the place where new people can find how to contribute in a simple way. We need to document better what the teams are. OBS is useful for package maintainers, but the rest we need to update the wiki Doug: let's also start a Tuesday 18.00 UTC meeting in the bar where everybody can join that is interested. We could also put up a poll AI: Doug create a poll for when is a good time and something people are interested in. Neal: we also need to update the oS account system to give people the option to join groups and communicate within those groups. == #9 moderator accountability across all platforms == Simon asks if someone else can take over the moderator accountability or should we wait for Simon to have time again. We will discuss again on the next board meeting. == #21 oS Asia Keynote by board == Gerald: this is important. don't have a hot topic, but if nobody else is able to could do "Ask any question and Gerald is going to present on it" (i.e., we'd solicit input and questions and I'll then base on that). Topic options: - youth in openSUSE -- Bill: Youth in openSUSE; how our younger genereation is contributing to openSUSE -- Simon; expand that out to the community in Asia -- Bill: It should not be hard to join the community as younger people will loose interest after a while and continue with something else. -- Gertjan: the bar and public board meetings also help show the people behind the username and create a longer connection. -- Gerald: I like the idea! Should this be (largely/mostly) presented by younger folks? == #4 Freenode to Libera.chat == Neal wrote the announcement about moving IRC from Freenode to Libera.Chat

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Board Meeting Minutes 2021-07-05
by Syds Bearda 11 Jul '21

11 Jul '21

Hi all, Minutes public board meeting Monday July 5, 2021 Present: Gertjan, Neal (late due to issues with PC), Simon, Syds, Gerald (late due to train delay) Apologies / Holidays: Vinz, Axel Guests: Doug, Adrian, Bill, Andi Topics from https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Any other topics? 1) minimum number of board members present for a board meeting? As we started with only a few board members, we were wondering if there was a minimum. However after a few more minutes we had enough members taking place. AI: Simon create the rule/ discuss if we need to create this rule. 2) Doug: weekly meeting on setting up social infrastructures like Fedora to provide a bit more structure in communication and decision making. Gertjan: the path to contribute as well. Been discussing this in the bar a lot. openSUSE consists of a lot of communities within communities within communities, etc. Neal: from the Fedora council a lot has been delegated to different commities, for example We've had this before, but kind of fell between "the ship and land" Adrian: documentation is started, but doesn't go a long way. Who is doing the documentation?; It's the people that need the documentation. For example on the marketing docs team, we don't know who to ask to review the documents that they've created. AI: Simon helps Adrian in finding the people to Marketing Docs team need for reviewing the docs. Gertjan: my point is also the place where new people can find how to contribute in a simple way. We need to document better what the teams are. OBS is useful for package maintainers, but the rest we need to update the wiki Doug: let's also start a Tuesday 18.00 UTC meeting in the bar where everybody can join that is interested. We could also put up a poll AI: Doug create a poll for when is a good time and something people are interested in. Neal: we also need to update the oS account system to give people the option to join groups and communicate within those groups. == #9 moderator accountability across all platforms == Simon asks if someone else can take over the moderator accountability or should we wait for Simon to have time again. We will discuss again on the next board meeting. == #21 oS Asia Keynote by board == Gerald: this is important. don't have a hot topic, but if nobody else is able to could do "Ask any question and Gerald is going to present on it" (i.e., we'd solicit input and questions and I'll then base on that). Topic options: - youth in openSUSE -- Bill: Youth in openSUSE; how our younger genereation is contributing to openSUSE -- Simon; expand that out to the community in Asia -- Bill: It should not be hard to join the community as younger people will loose interest after a while and continue with something else. -- Gertjan: the bar and public board meetings also help show the people behind the username and create a longer connection. -- Gerald: I like the idea! Should this be (largely/mostly) presented by younger folks? == #4 Freenode to Libera.chat == Neal wrote the announcement about moving IRC from Freenode to Libera.Chat

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Results from Regular openSUSE Meeting Survey
by ddemaio 09 Jul '21

09 Jul '21

Hi all, I wanted to provided the results of the regular openSUSE Meeting Survey. The most popular responses are as follows: Day: Saturday at 36.23% Time: 18:00 - 21:00 at 33.33% (followed by 15:00 - 18:00 at 30.43%) Meeting: 50 or 72.46% believe having a weekly meeting is a good idea Will Attend: 44 or 63.77% say they will attend I've uploaded some images for the results. 1- https://paste.opensuse.org/95049076 2 - https://paste.opensuse.org/22659973 3- https://paste.opensuse.org/23501154 4- https://paste.opensuse.org/66427946 There were more responses submitted than are in the image. The open is only showing the completed results. However, the total of all responses provide the same results with slightly different percentages. Any feedback on this would be helpful. I just see the times as a factor. Times are in UTC. Should we narrow the times down for a Saturday? Either with another smaller survey? Or just split the difference between the majority of the two groups and schedule two hour meetings between 17:00 and 21:00. This could help us get some people from both major time groups. Thoughts? v/r Doug

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OpenSUSE Docs Meeting 8th July 2021
by Luna Jernberg 08 Jul '21

08 Jul '21

The documentation team (https://t.me/opensuse_docs) is having a meeting later today at 19:00 UTC on meet.opensuse.org/docs! If you have requests about documentation (https://github.com/openSUSE/openSUSE-docs-revamped-temp/) or want to contribute, do drop by! 🤗

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Regular openSUSE Meeting Survey
by ddemaio 08 Jul '21

08 Jul '21

Hi all, We are trying to determine if we should have a regular openSUSE community meeting to discuss projects in the community. To see if there is any interest to do this, we have a survey with four questions to help us measure whether we should move forward with a meeting and when. You can fill in the survey at https://survey.opensuse.org/ v/r Doug

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Looking for a Code stream name
by Adrian Schröter 08 Jul '21

08 Jul '21

Hi, I like to discuss the upcomming single common name for repositories for "Code 15-3". Given that we use the Jump concept now with Leap 15.3, it makes no sense that we offer by default SUSE_SLE_15_SP3 SLE_15_SP3_Backports openSUSE_Leap_15.3 repositories in parallel for each OBS project anymore. The content should be identical and it contradicts the purpose of having a binary compatible base. So, in near future OBS will change it's interface and allow basically only to select one repository for "Code 15-3". You can decide to include Backports or Leap packages on top of SLE 15 SP3 as build and install dependencies, but no matter how you configure it as OBS user, the resulting repository name should have the same name. The big question is, what should this repository name be? People need to understand that they can use it on openSUSE Leap 15.3 or on any SUSE SLE 15 SP3 installation. Do you have any suggestions? thanks adrian -- Adrian Schroeter <adrian(a)suse.de> Build Infrastructure Project Manager SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany (HRB 247165, AG München), Geschäftsführer: Felix Imendörffer

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OpenSUSE Docs Meeting 8th July 2021
by Luna Jernberg 08 Jul '21

08 Jul '21

The documentation team (https://t.me/opensuse_docs) is having a meeting later today at 19:00 UTC on meet.opensuse.org/docs! If you have requests about documentation ( https://github.com/openSUSE/openSUSE-docs-revamped-temp/) or want to contribute, do drop by! 🤗

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Let's drop audacity...
by Mathias Homann 05 Jul '21

05 Jul '21

https://twitter.com/KrashHash/status/1411725491581587457 -- Mathias Homann Mathias.Homann(a)openSUSE.org Jabber (XMPP): lemmy(a)tuxonline.tech IRC: [Lemmy] on freenode and ircnet (bouncer active) telegram: https://telegram.me/lemmy98 keybase: https://keybase.io/lemmy gpg key fingerprint: 8029 2240 F4DD 7776 E7D2 C042 6B8E 029E 13F2 C102

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openSUSE Sprint on Thursday, July 1
by ddemaio 05 Jul '21

05 Jul '21

Hi all, Our monthly Thursday sprint is scheduled for July 1 at 18:30 UTC. We have moved the meetings to in https://meet.opensuse.org/bar. The plan is to go over the various topics listed on https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/websprints and revisit topics we've gone over in the past months. Feel free to add a topic. v/r Doug

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Reminder meeting : openSUSE Board meeting next Monday (1300h Europe/Berlin)
by Axel Braun 04 Jul '21

04 Jul '21

Hello all, The biweekly board conf call will be held on monday at 1300h Europe/Berlin time. Meeting will be in the regular Board Meeting Room https://meet.opensuse.org/OSBoard Current Topics: https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting If you cannot participate, please advise by replying to this mail. Cheers Axel

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opensuse-welcome translations are very old
by Maximilian Trummer 04 Jul '21

04 Jul '21

Recently I upgraded some machines to Leap 15.3 and noticed that the german translation was rather bad and has spelling mistakes on the first screen even. ("siech" instead of "sich" which is irritating since "siechen" means to be afflicted with long illness) The sources in github[1] are slightly newer though and don't contain this error, but some others like missing hyphenation.[2] I wonder why the translation in the packages is so old, even Tumbleweed has the old spelling mistake mentioned above. Please pull the latest translations from weblate[3] and provide them as updated packages for new Tumbleweed and Leap installations. I reworked the german translation on weblate while I was at it too. regards [1] https://github.com/openSUSE/openSUSE-welcome/blob/master/data/i18n/qml_de.po [2] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leerzeichen_in_Komposita [3] https://l10n.opensuse.org/projects/opensuse-welcome/master/de/

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