February 2016 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] How we will use the GSoC money
by Vincent Untz 18 Jul '24

18 Jul '24

Hi, (let's see how a public discussion about money goes :-)) The Google Summer of Code brings us great students, but also means that the openSUSE project will get $8000 (if I'm not mistaken) at the end of the summer. That's $500 per student. A while ago, I requested comments on my blog about what to do with the money, but didn't get any feedback. So I take this as "do what you feel is best", and this mail is about the plan. As a reminder, the main issue is that we will likely not have the openSUSE Foundation created in time for this. For instance, Google would like us to get some form filled before the end of June; this is not a mandatory timeline, but I think it shows that we won't be ready with the Foundation for that. The current plan is to give that money to another organization we feel close to, and I have two candidates in mind: - the Software Freedom Conservancy (http://sfconservancy.org/) it's a really nice org that provides a home for various cool projects (see http://sfconservancy.org/members/current/) and those projects help make openSUSE a great project. - the Desktop Summit (https://www.desktopsummit.org/) it's one of the biggest event this year, and this would help us have some more visibility (since we'd be sponsors, I guess). I'm sure they would welcome this to secure their budget. Note that an alternative solution would be to leave the money to Google for a future GSoC or similar program, but I feel it's better to use the money where it can make a difference today. Now, it's not too late to change the plan. If you have a better suggestion, please tell us. There's no need to argue forever about it, just explain why you think it's good. Keep in mind that if we cannot receive the money ourselves, this also means that we cannot use it to buy stuff for openSUSE. Pavol and I will take the final decision since we are the GSoC admins for openSUSE. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Google Summer of Code 2016
by Henne Vogelsang 05 Mar '16

05 Mar '16

Hey, let's go. Henne -------- Forwarded Message -------- Hi GSoC mentors and org admins, We've announced <http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2015/10/dozen-of-one-half-dozen-of-ot…> that we're holding Google Summer of Code 2016 <http://g.co/gsoc>. The GSoC calendar <https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=gsummerofcode@gmail.com&ctz=Ameri…>, FAQ <https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq>, and events timeline <https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline> have all been updated with next year's important dates, so please refer to those for the milestones for the program. Please consider applying to participate as an organization again next year or maybe joining as a mentor for your favorite organization if they are selected to participate. We rely on you for your help for the success of this program, so thank you in advance for all the work you do! Cheers, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Organizing Team seeks input for planning conference
by Douglas DeMaio 29 Feb '16

29 Feb '16

Organizing Team for oSC16 will be better able to plan group discounts for entertainment during none conference hours. Please take the time to answer this short survey to help us better determine the community's desires during the conference - http://svy.mk/21w9pS9 v/r Doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Insecure openSUSE Downloads
by Aleksa Sarai 29 Feb '16

29 Feb '16

Hi all, Given the recent case of Linux Mint, I went to double-check how we deal with distribution of checksums and images. It looks like we just distribute them all without TLS, which means there's no hardening against MITM attacks on users trying to download openSUSE. In addition, I couldn't find any mention of GPG signatures for the releases, so there's no web-of-trust way of verifying that an image I download is one that was signed by the key of the cheif maintainers. In addition, the checksums are stored right next to the ISOs, making them useless against a malicious attack (although it is useful for verifying that the download completed). Maybe we could add the checksums to the Wiki (which is served over TLS and is managed completely separately to the download servers). I think this is something we should fix ASAP. If I missed something, please feel free to tell me, and we can work on better advertising the way we secure our downloads. -- Aleksa Sarai Docker Core Specialist SUSE Australia https://www.cyphar.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE & You: Contributing to our Project
by Richard Brown 28 Feb '16

28 Feb '16

First, apologies for cross-posting this, but it's relevant to more than just the opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org audience. In order to cut down the noise on other lists, I ask that all responses are sent to opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org only. Second, this is a 'from the heart' and somewhat 'off the cuff' post from me and me alone. This has not been reviewed by anyone else, so please don't interpret this as some kind of statement from the Board, the Project, or SUSE. This is just me, talking about things I see and giving advice that I hope will be useful to the majority of the people who read it. So, what is this all about? Well a lot of people talk to me, and after a very inspirational FOSDEM I got thinking about recurring trends of questions that come my way: "How does the openSUSE Project work?" "Who decides what happens?" "What do you need me to do?" "How do I get started?" These questions come from not only newcomers and potential newcomers to the Project, but also people I would consider 'veterans' who I would have assumed already knew the answers to these questions naturally. This post is my attempt to provide answers to these and related questions. 1 - How does the Project work? The Project is a self-organised, self-governed, community working on the openSUSE Distributions (Tumbleweed & Leap) as well as various other Free and Open Source Software, including OBS, openQA, OSEM, Portus, Machinery, and more. We have no Product Managers, Project Managers, or Community Managers. We have no Technical Committees or Steering Groups. For those who have read "The Cathedral and the Bazaar", openSUSE is very much a "Bazaar" and hardly anything like a "Cathedral". Whatever Teams we do have are self-organised by the members of those teams, with different ways of working together to accomplish whatever particular goals within the project they are working on. The Project does have the openSUSE Board [1], who's role is to 'lead' the Project by acting as a central point of contact and conflict resolution. In other words, they help keep everyone in the loop with what everyone else is doing, help resolve any conflicts that arise, and being the 'decision makers of last resort' in situations where decisions need to be made and there is no one else available or willing to do so. The Board is a little like the 'A-Team' - If you have a problem, if no one else can help, then the Board is there for you, either to help out, or help you find better help elsewhere. The Board is elected by the openSUSE Members [2], those contributors who have demonstrated sustained and substantial contributions to the Project. SUSE are the primary sponsor of the openSUSE Project. All SUSE employees are encouraged to contribute to the openSUSE Project. These contributions are carried out as 'peers'; No special treatment is granted to SUSE employees, in fact the employer of a contributor should be irrelevant within the openSUSE Project. In areas of particular interest or importance to SUSE, they may hire folk to work in particular roles within the openSUSE Project. With one exception (the role of Chairman of the Board), none of these roles should be considered 'exclusive' to SUSE. There is scope for anyone to contribute to the openSUSE project at any level, assuming they are willing and capable to do the work. 2 - Who decides what happens? You Do We are driven by our contributions. If something is not being done, it's because no one has decided to do it. We do our best to make openSUSE very accessible in order to make us the natural choice to be the Project through which you give your time & effort. The openSUSE Project is structured the way it is to empower our contributors to really shape the direction of the Project. Also a significant amount of the tools we have as a Project exist in order to make those contributions easier. OBS and OSEM are obvious examples, but this is true in all aspects of the project, from the technical ones to the diverse range of other activities, marketing, advocacy, outreach, community, wiki, documentation, etc. You don't need to ask permission to get started, you just need to know what you want to do. 3 - What do you need me to do? You Decide Please don't be terrified by this! To quote The Cathedral and the Bazaar, "Every good work [...] starts by scratching a [...] personal itch.". Find things inside openSUSE, our Project, our distributions, our tools, our wiki, that you do not like, that affect you, that get in your way, and decide to change them. While it may sound selfish, there is no better motivation than solving the issues which affect you first and foremost, the benefit of doing that as part of a community means your work ends up helping others, and others will in turn help you when they share that same itch that needs scratching. Don't expect someone else to do it. Don't think it is someone else's job to fix. It is your responsibility to help make openSUSE succeed in the areas that matter to you And don't expect anyone else to tell you what to do or what needs doing - volunteers are rarely motivated when given orders from others, so that just isn't typically the openSUSE way. That said, I do believe we could do with having some indications of particular areas where we need help..the new openSUSE Mentoring website [3] is a perfect example of something the Project now has to solve this problem (Thanks to Chris and Henne and everyone else who has contributed to this!) In the highly unlikely event that you think everything is wonderful and there is nothing that annoys you, but you still want to give something back to the openSUSE project, then dig a little deeper, try something new, either technically in our products, or get involved in a new aspect of the Project that interests you - I guarantee you'll find something somewhere which could do with your help. 4 - How to get started? So, you've picked something to work on, how to get started. Here is my advice. 4a. Do your homework - Make sure you understand the topic you're tackling. Dig through the problem to make sure you haven't missed something. Read our wiki pages on the topic. Google. Look at how other FOSS Projects deal with the problem? Is their solution better or worse that what you are thinking? Talk to people who might know stuff about the topic, and bounce your ideas off them. Our IRC channels are a good place for such discussions, as are events like our openSUSE Conferences. 4b. Plan your solution - You've decided what you want to do, decide how you intend to do it. You don't need to have all the details worked out, but you should have a clear understanding of the direction you want to go in, and how things should look when you are done 4c. Do you need help? Is this going to impact other people in a noticeable way? Do you want a second opinion? If the answers to any of these questions are yes, continue to 4d. If no, skip to 4h 4d. Share with the Project - Take everything you have learned, and what you plan, and put it all together in a clear, succinct email for the mailinglists. Avoid writing open ended questions. Despite everyone's best intentions, coming to the Project with a question like "What do you think we should do about X?" will lead to either silence, or an almost infinite number of responses, many of which will disagree with you, often without proposing alternatives. Write the email from the perspective of "This is what I think we need to do, and this is what I intend to do about it". Describe your findings from step 4a, explain your plan from step 4b. Include proof of concepts if you have them. Post this mail to an appropriate mailinglist [4]. If you cannot identify an appropriate list, or you think the topic is deserving of a project-wide audience, then use either opensuse-factory(a)opensuse.org for technical changes, and opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org for everything else. Once you are happy the email makes it possible for everyone else to understand the problem, and that this is your problem and you are going to solve it, fire away. Now it is the responsibility of everyone else in the Project to convince you that you need to do things differently. 4e. Listen - the openSUSE Project is full of very clever people. Listen to their feedback, consider it. Your proposal included your reasoning, their feedback should be equally reasoned and informative, and so even a 'failure' of a proposal at this point is a learning experience. 4f. Respond - fast feedback drives innovation. If people are giving you feedback, discuss back with them, tell them when you agree with what they're saying, tell them when you disagree and why. This is how you will find other people to work with you on this thing. 4g. Decide - You do not need to accept all, or any, of the feedback. If nothing comes up that convinces you to deviate from your plan, then carry on as you planned. If something gets in the way, then work together to find a solution, either one that includes a compromise that everyone is equally unhappy with, or one where 'both' options are possible. This is an aspect of the openSUSE community that we often overlook - when we have two sets of contributors wanting to pull in two different directions, our collective natural instinct is to often find a way of accomplishing *both* - How else do you think we ended up with KDE, GNOME, XFCE, LXDE, Enlightenment, etc? This is a good thing, makes our project reflect everything which our contributions want to work on, and something which really sets us apart from many other Projects out there 4h. Do it 4i. Talk about it! Our statistics show that the openSUSE Project is on the up and up, and we are in many ways ahead of a great many similar projects who are often perceived as being more successful than us. A big part of that is because we excel at doing stuff, and are lousy about talking about it. So this is a call to action to ask that everyone reading this email keeps in mind the cool stuff that they're working on as part of openSUSE, and talk about it. Social media, conferences, meetups, whenever you get a chance, tell the world about what you're doing. It is not just a case of being 'Green and Proud', but talking about recent successes often leads to conversations that reveal what the next challenge is, and so the cycle continues, but at least it's a lot of fun ;) Thanks to all for reading this. Hopefully it is food for thought for old and new contributors alike. I intend to throw this up on some blog sometime, or find a way of squishing some of these thoughts onto the wiki, so please direct any feedback and discussion to the opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org mailinglist where I promise to listen and respond ;) - Richard [1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board [2] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members [3] https://opensuse.github.io/mentoring/ [4] https://lists.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] SPAM on openSUSE wiki
by Paul Gonin 27 Feb '16

27 Feb '16

Hi ! I spotted some SPAM on openSUSE wiki see http://paste.opensuse.org/view/raw/27352284 Ironically when I tried to remove the page myself (hey ! it's a wiki ;) ) I was denied by the spam blocker :D "You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: Your IP address has been automatically blocked because it was used by another user, who was blocked by Cboltz. The reason given is: Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Robertleefather". The reason given for Robertleefather's block is "Spamming links to external sites" Thanks ! Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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RE: Re: [opensuse-project] SPAM on openSUSE wiki
by stakanov＠freenet.de 27 Feb '16

27 Feb '16

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Christian Boltz > Gesendet: Sa. 27.02.2016 00:33 > An: opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org > Kopie: opensuse-wiki(a)opensuse.org > Betreff: Re: [opensuse-project] SPAM on openSUSE wiki > > Hello, > > TL;DR: the english wiki is temporarily read-only to stop spammers > (wiki admins can still do edits) > > Am Freitag, 26. Februar 2016, 19:37:11 CET schrieb Christian Boltz: >> Am Freitag, 26. Februar 2016, 15:04:05 CET schrieb Henne Vogelsang: >> > Christian when you block people you can't tick the 'Automatically >> > block the last IP address used by this use' checkbox as this will >> > block the IP of the proxy in front of the wiki and hence every user. >> >> Oops, I wasn't aware of this detail :-( > > Actually I abused this detail again - the massive spam attack continues, > and blocking the proxy IPs is the only way I have to stop the spam. > > Yes, I'm aware that this will also block "good" edits. Sorry for that, > but even if someone sends me a mail with "can you please change $page to > $text", it's still faster than deleting 1000 more spam pages. > (Still, I'd like to ask you to do this only in really urgent cases ;-) > > > On releated news: I discussed available options to block the spammers > with Darix. The "Nuke" extension to mass-delete pages is already on the > staging wiki and should be available in the production wiki on monday. > We also have some ideas to prevent spam posts - more on this when it's > implemented. > > Fun fact, in case someone wonders: blocking the spammers by username > means fighting windmills - they switch user accounts faster than I can > block them :-( (yes, I tested this!) > > > Regards, > > Christian Boltz > -- >>> Could someone remove this requirement? >>I think you have to write a bugzilla. > While Villabajo still discusses which medium to use, > Villarriba has already submitted 304823. > [>> Volker Kuhlmann, > Carlos E. R. and Jan Engelhardt in opensuse- > factory] > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht Ende----- Question: are these "humans" or bots? If they are bots, wouldn’t it do to ask for solving picture captchas? Or do they really have so much man power to employ people to do hand edited spam?? --- Alle Postfächer an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! https://email.freenet.de/mail/Uebersicht?epid=e9900000451 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Video archive URL's of 'openSUSE conference 2012' are dead
by Amey Abhyankar 25 Feb '16

25 Feb '16

Hello, I was searching for oSC12 video archives and came across https://en.opensuse.org/Archive:Conference_video_2012#Playlist_by_name_and_… Video archive documentation is done very nicely but unfortunately all video archive links are dead. I guess the reason is blip.tv is now maker.tv & redirection is not happening to new hyperlinks. Can we fix those URL's with working 1's from youtube? = https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_AMhvchzBae69AZQRAWKfzb8MurMtA72 Regards, Amey. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] oSC16 - Organizing Team Meeting 3
by ddemaio 24 Feb '16

24 Feb '16

Hi all, We will have our third meeting today, Feb. 23, on IRC on the opensuse-project channel at 1700 UTC. I'll have the agenda ready for the meeting. Topics we will discuss today are: #info Social events Planning #info Entertainment Planning #info Marketing Status #info Keynote Status #info Trello Cards #info Hotels/Hostels Update #info sponsorship status #info Outreach/Education #info T-Shirts #info Swag #info equipment #info food / drinks week 2 notes - _http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2016/opensuse-proj… week 1 notes - _http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2016/opensuse-proj… Trello board - _https://trello.com/b/xhSviOKO_ Best Regards, Doug

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE on ZFS root?
by S. 23 Feb '16

23 Feb '16

Hi everyone, Are there any plans to support ZFS root installations with openSUSE? ***Without getting into the pros and cons of ZFS vs BtrFS***, I'd like to mention that there are a lot of people who would love to use ZFS on openSUSE. Ubuntu will be officially shipping and supporting ZFS with their 16.04 release, which is widely seen as a huge advantage for Ubuntu. I also noticed that ZFS is already packaged for openSUSE in the semi-official "filesystems" OBS repo, but I'm not sure how how well it works with openSUSE or if there are plans for better integration in the future? What about grub2 integration on openSUSE for ZFS boot environments? Again, please keep replies to this on-topic and don't start a technical debate about the merits of BtrFS vs. ZFS. Thanks for the replies! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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