What is the status of https://identi.ca/opensuse? It doesn't look very
active, "2 years ago via feed To: Public Within two weeks, in
thessaloniki, the openSUSE Conference will start off again. Like last
year, we have not only an a…"
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>From https://news.opensuse.org/2015/08/13/the-weekly-review-libreoffice-5-in-tum…
"Tumbleweed had four snapshots since our last weekly review, upgraded
to a newer Kernel and has the latest LibreOffice 5, while Leap’s
roadmap was published and version 42 is a trending topic on the
Factory mailing list."
I have read nothing in opensuse-announce about a new kernel and a new
LibreOffice being a part of Tumbleweed.
I assume the schedule published in
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap is for Leap, although that
page says, "The next scheduled version of openSUSE is in the process
of being named, ...".
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On 05/08/15 12:56, Carlos E. R. wrote:
[...]
> The naming of the language as "castellano" is a relatively recent
> political decision (pushed by Catalunya and others) that has never
> caught with the masses, valid only for Spain, and is of course not
> followed by the rest of the Spanish speaking countries. It is akin
> to calling French Provençal.
>
> So, does openSUSE wants to enter a political nightmare by calling
> Spanish Castilian?
Why would it be a political nightmare? As you know, there are
different Spanish variants.
Some Latin-American countries use "castellano" or "español"
indifferently. Furthermore, Spain's constitution states that
castellano is the official language.
Castilian is the most spoken Spanish language ;-)
Greetings,
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Hi all, this story was published today -
https://news.opensuse.org/2015/08/05/the-weekly-review-tumbleweed-and-leap/…
A few takeaway items you might all be interested in regarding Leap.
61 upgraded packages were in the last snapshot and about a handful
were fixes made for Leap.
The roadmap for Leap will likely be published next week. It looks like
the release of Leap will be on Nov. 4 at 14:00 UTC, but some other
things need to happen before we confirm Nov. 4 officially as the
release date.
An important date that can be mentioned about Leap right now is Sept.
20. This is the tentatively the freeze point for items to be included
in the Leap Beta.
Artwork for Leap like Grub, Plymouth or other items can be submitted
through github by cloning the Leap-42.1 branch in openSUSE branding
and submit a pull request to @sysrich. A branch was also started for
Tumbleweed, so anyone wanting to advance the visual appearance of both
openSUSE distributions is welcome (links in the article).
All the best
Doug
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As Windows 10 is being launched, details emerge what comes along with it.
Just read (1).
You will have an opinion on that.
But as nightmarish as this may seem, it also opens a huge
"Window" of opportunity for openSUSE and OpenSource in general.
What came to my mind here is a campaign to make potential users
aware of major benefits of openSUSE / OpenSource:
- we don't spy on you
- we don't sell your privacy
- we don't handcuff you
Take that as a short sketch.
This could be a campaign just for openSUSE - like a banner on openSUSE.org -
or one that is conducted by and coordinated between the major distros and
perhaps other organizations.
Thoughts?
Rainer Fiebig
(1) https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/
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I don't know as much about this as I should, but these seem to be the basics:
- late 20th century google started data mining websites in a novel way. Everyone thought it was a good thing.
- around 2005 Google introduced gmail for free, but openly told everyone they were going to data mine the emails to see what kind of things the owner of the mailbox was interested in.
- since then Google has gotten more and more aggressive and now appears to mine gmail mailboxes to build a profile about non-gmail users as well. It also is scanning blogs, blog comments, LinkedIn and Twitter. Basically anything they can actually see they data mine. Along those lines they offer Google analytics as a free service that gives them great visibility into people's web browsing activity even if they somehow manage to avoid using any Google services themselves and also avoid interaction with anyone with a gmail account.
- as of yesterday(Aug 1), Microsoft has officially joined the game:
Microsoft Privacy Statement
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx
Microsoft Services Agreement
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/servicesagreement/default.aspx
These new policies grant Microsoft broad data mining rights into your computer. Simply using any of the below services means you accept the new agreement:
Account.microsoft.comAdvertising.microsoft.com
Bing Apps
Bing Desktop
Bing Dictionary
Bing in the Classroom
Bing Input
Bing Maps
Bing Navigation
Bing Reader
Bing Rewards
Bing Search app
Bing Toolbar
Bing Torque
Bing Translator
Bing Webmaster
Bing Wikipedia Browser
Bing.com
Bing
Bingplaces.comChoice.microsoft.com
Citizen Next
Cortana
Default Homepage and New Tab Page on Microsoft Edge
Device Health App
Groove
HealthVault
Maps App
Microsoft account
Microsoft Family
Microsoft Health
Microsoft Translator
Microsoft Wallpaper
Microsoft XiaoIce
MSN Dial Up
MSN Explorer
MSN Food & Drink
MSN Health & Fitness
MSN Money
MSN News
MSN Premium
MSN Sports
MSN Travel
MSN Weather
MSN.com
Next Lock Screen
Office 365 Consumer
Office 365 Home
Office 365 Personal
Office 365 University
Office Online
Office Store
Office Sway
Office.comOneDrive.com
OneDrive
Onenote.com
OneNote
Outlook.com
Picturesque Lock Screen
Pix Lock
Skype in the Classroom
Skype Manager
Skype Qik
Skype WiFi
Skype.com
Skype
Smart Search
Snipp3t
Spreadsheet Keyboard
Sway.com
Translator
UrWeather
Windows Live Mail
Windows Live Writer
Windows Movie Maker
Windows Photo Gallery
Xbox and Windows Games published by Microsoft
Xbox Live
Xbox Music Pass
Xbox Music
Xbox Video
>From what I can see Microsoft's new invasion of privacy is basically retroactive. The only way to avoid it is to quit using any of the above if you currently do. I often use bing, skype, Microsoft store and office365.
===
Hopefully using openSUSE reduces some of Microsoft's and Google's effectiveness, but all of us interact with users of Google and Microsoft services.
What steps can openSUSE as a project and as individuals do to reduce our Google and Microsoft visible footprint?
Is it too late to try?
Greg
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Le 02/08/2015 19:29, Richard Brown a écrit :
> You are entitled to your opinion, but there is plenty of research from
> respected experts on the topic who all state that motivations for
> joining open source projects are normally not altruistic, and are
> normally due to selfish reasons, like being able to scratch their own itch
I think we have a vocabulary problem. searching for as much audience as
possible have nothing to do with altruism. There is a manageable benefit
that is described in your link: recognition and ego (and more)
> The year is 2015. Open source has established itself as A major, if not
> THE major way of developing software.
sincerely, who cares? You are too much thinking as a developer. I really
think that all yours arguments are *against* your thesis. We do *not*
need to search for developers, we have them. Every developer knows what
open source is, and if you can't give money, you wont catch windows
developers. If you don't want a distro's war, you can't bring other
distros developers, so where do you think you are going to find one? be
clear on that.
We need to have a clear story to
> distinguish us from the millions of other open source projects people can
> now contribute to. "We're special because we're openSUSE and we have
> users who make us special" just doesn't mean anything any more..I'm not
> sure it ever did..
I never said so, and I completely agree with this. we have to ask the
question: what do we have special? how can we make it better? We (don't
know who, really), with OBS, QA, studio, made an enormous effort to the
developers and this didn't bring more contributors according to what
yourself said.
> Agreed. How about we agree to call this "Engagement" like the GNOME
> Project does instead of Marketing
yes. May be look at what "volunteer match" do :-)
http://www.volunteermatch.org/
> Next, I do not believe working as part of a team appeals to everyone
I do not take "team" as the very restricted meaning we have now. For me
openSUSE project *is* a team. What else?
,
> and i think the Project should be structured in a way which encourages
> both individual contributions (working collaboratively, but not
> necessarily as part of a team) as well as more structured group work
individuals already do what they want, if this is for openSUSE, so good,
if not so bad, we can't do anything to that, so the only thing we can do
is try to find some way to have people do what *we*, as a project, do.
64 people answered to my poll
https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/jdd_sysop/48150/are-you-still-an…
why did they?
> We should accept that there are very real, very tangible, and often very
> selfish reasons people contribute to open source, and we should do our
> best to Engage with them so openSUSE becomes a natural focal point for
> those contributions which can help us grow and succeed
I don't see any apart hiring them for a salary... can you do that.
I know few people do things for altruist reasons, but read your own links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_movement#Motivations_of_Programme…
(I read "the cathedral and the bazaar in the 1995's)
> Good, and I hope you find reasons to think it's special beyond empty
> words. I know they sounds nice, but its really important openSUSE has
> real reasons upon which people are drawn to, use our stuff, and engage
> with our project.
>
and what reason do you find over what is listed in wikipedia?
what mean for you "targeting makers", you say this for several month
and what is it about? I don't think it's the major goal, but it's a
goal, of course.
thanks
jdd
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