September 2011 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] How we will use the GSoC money
by Vincent Untz 18 Jul '24

18 Jul '24

Hi, (let's see how a public discussion about money goes :-)) The Google Summer of Code brings us great students, but also means that the openSUSE project will get $8000 (if I'm not mistaken) at the end of the summer. That's $500 per student. A while ago, I requested comments on my blog about what to do with the money, but didn't get any feedback. So I take this as "do what you feel is best", and this mail is about the plan. As a reminder, the main issue is that we will likely not have the openSUSE Foundation created in time for this. For instance, Google would like us to get some form filled before the end of June; this is not a mandatory timeline, but I think it shows that we won't be ready with the Foundation for that. The current plan is to give that money to another organization we feel close to, and I have two candidates in mind: - the Software Freedom Conservancy (http://sfconservancy.org/) it's a really nice org that provides a home for various cool projects (see http://sfconservancy.org/members/current/) and those projects help make openSUSE a great project. - the Desktop Summit (https://www.desktopsummit.org/) it's one of the biggest event this year, and this would help us have some more visibility (since we'd be sponsors, I guess). I'm sure they would welcome this to secure their budget. Note that an alternative solution would be to leave the money to Google for a future GSoC or similar program, but I feel it's better to use the money where it can make a difference today. Now, it's not too late to change the plan. If you have a better suggestion, please tell us. There's no need to argue forever about it, just explain why you think it's good. Keep in mind that if we cannot receive the money ourselves, this also means that we cannot use it to buy stuff for openSUSE. Pavol and I will take the final decision since we are the GSoC admins for openSUSE. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] talk at or visit Linux Open Administration Days
by Jos Poortvliet 12 Apr '12

12 Apr '12

Hi all, April 16-17 in Antwerp, Belgium, the Linux Open Administration Days will take place. This free event offers a chance for LPI certification as well as meeting and talking to linux sysadmins. There is a call for presentations here: http://www.loadays.org/content/call-presentations If you want to go and give a talk there about openSUSE tech - that's be awesome. If you can't afford to go there due to travel or hotel costs, let me know, we might be able to work something out ;-) cheers, Jos

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[opensuse-project] ANNOUNCE: I call it a beta
by Stephan Kulow 05 Oct '11

05 Oct '11

Hi, We had a short go/no-go meeting on #opensuse-factory and decided that the fuser problem may be the cause of all evil and now that it's gone, we can go forward and release beta1. We even managed to get most of the artwork updated in the days slippage. If you come around it, I will upload build315 to the mirrors tomorrow morning. When to announce publically I leave to the marketing guys, I'll be mainly off the internet till tuesday as monday is public holiday for me and I'm told publishing news on friday is bad - but I'll make sure the ISOs are available for interested testers. I hope that's ok for the team. Now the interesting question is what about the RC1. We didn't really loose time in development as we checked in almost everything that came in during the time we waited for the fixes - this includes e.g. kernel 3.1rc7. But we can't hold the schedule as it is - the original deadline for RC1 checkins is october 7th - that's around 4 days after public announcment of the beta and even before the pizza party. With the new factory work flow we have some more flexibility in terms of checkin deadlines, so let's make use of that. My proposal would be: Move RC1 from October 13th to 21st for release date - checkin deadline would be 18th. Move RC2 from October 27th to November 3th - checkin deadline would be October 28th (November 1st and the monday in front are blackout in Nuremberg and we rely too much on Nuremberg to move the date where it's perfect ;( ) Move Final release from November 11th (who set that date anyway? :) to November 16th. GM would be on 11th. Note, that I don't want to move the final date too much and if we all agree to some discipline, RC2 will already be perfect and we only apply some polishing up to GM. I know that shuffles our usual weekdays for release a bit and I'm pretty sure I made some mistakes in my proposal, so please feel free to give ideas of yours. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Weekly News 195 coming soon...
by Sascha Manns 29 Sep '11

29 Sep '11

Hello Mates, don't worry about this mail. I just would like to remind that our next openSUSE Weekly News 195 comes out at Saturday evening (UTC +2). Until Saturday 08:00:00 (CEST) +0200 UTC you can propose Articles, Links and all such stuff for integrating into the Weekly News. For people who don't want to write it in XML, you can use our Pad: http://os-news.ietherpad.com/2. I've planned to send this Mail each Wednesday to remind on the Weekly News. Have a lot of fun :-) -- Sincereley yours Sascha Manns http://saigkill.homelinux.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Link exchange
by Paul McMillan 28 Sep '11

28 Sep '11

Dear Webmaster As we found your website http://en.opensuse.org and saw that it meets our terms of use, we were interested in adding it to our webpage directory in English. This directory http://www.web-ref.org/ is free and will have your website gain popularity and traffic, since it is visited by 20 thousand people monthly. If you agree, please answer this email with the word Yes and we will include you. Paul McMillan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [RFC] - Attempt to build open SLES-based distro
by Michael Kromer 27 Sep '11

27 Sep '11

Hello community, this mail is the result of years of continuous development in my (corporate and private) environment as engineer favoring SUSE, and I kindly invite anyone to send thoughts, comments and ideas regarding this mail. I see this topic "as in progress" and if there aren't any ultimately bad reasons why not to do so, I will continue and support this as long as I can. - Disclaimer: This is all IMHO ;) - My idea is to build a SLES binary-compatible distribution completely supported by the community (and optionally supported by companies which are willing to do so) - most of you will probably see lots of similarities with CentOS in this way - And in fact: This is exactly what I intend it to be. Why? - SLES is one of two key players in the major distribution league. RH has CentOS, and whereever you see "respins" like for appliances, they use CentOS (or maybe some debian/ubuntu/knoppix-stuff) - no SUSE. Examples: Trixbox, ESVA, and _lots_ of projects in which I've been involved in development however its not officially communicated as CentOS. - SUSE is the best Distro in terms of packaging and distribution technology (OBS), has a huge community-base and uses technology which IMHO is unmatched for various reasons such as KIWI (thx to Marcus Schaefer ;)). - openSUSE is a "moving target" in terms of its faster release cycle and it in fact is a problem that older releases disappear from the mirrors pretty soon. (I would not change anything here) - But: This doesn't really allow you a "LTS"-like behaviour if things change so fast. - SUSE has a great community of highly motivated and skilled guys (and gals) ;) - lots of developments in openSUSE find their way right into SLES, approved and tested by SUSE engineers. What I can and will provide: - I'm just building up a rack to provide various build nodes. Target arch's include: x86, x86_64, sparc64, ia64, ppc64. Most of the parts are already available, but since I'm currently moving and I need to get a stable permanent internet connection this could take up to 2 months. So this enables us right from scratch to set up a parallel OBS for the intial build setup. Official OBS could always be used as soon as we have reached a "staging" level where we can provide a base set of packages. - I will provide anyone with an account and try to build a full "infrastructure" which then should also should get the transition to "community-controlled" behaviour. For all (eventually) upcoming questions: - Yes, I do know about openSUSE Evergreen, but it lacks some points I've mentioned above like "Enterprise Features", 1-on-1-("binary")compatibility with SLES and the great quality work by SUSE to get SLES certified by OEM's etc. - and no one really points its OBS tree to build against Evergreen, it points it to major channels like SLES11, SLES11SP1, oS11.4, etc. - No, I do not want to work "against" SUSE or anything like that. The complete opposite is the case: Without SUSE this would not work well. In fact I really think SUSE also can profit from a community base around the SLES packages. Take a look at CentOS - Does it really hurt RHEL? I don't think so, at least not to a major extent. Lets get the facts straight: If you are in a corporate environment you _will_ (or at least you _should_) buy a SLES. Reasons: Support, Updates, Faster upstream process, tracking, direct contact, etc. But: If you want to build a steady home system which you do not want to upgrade less than every year in a major way or you might want to build a distro fork for special purpose (like for system integrators, etc.) you (probably) wouldn't want to go with the fully blown SLES. - Yes, I see this as lots of work. Please let me know if you are willing to help. ;) Can't await reading your comments. Cheers, - mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Growing some openSUSE ARMs
by Andrew Wafaa 27 Sep '11

27 Sep '11

Sorry for the cross posting, but I thought it worth the extra noise ;-) One of the things that came out of the recent Geeko Love-In for me was a new project to immerse myself in within openSUSE. Yeah I know, we have enough existing projects already so why create a new one? Simples! Believe it or not but openSUSE is behind the curve in a specific segment, and that segment has yet to explode to its full potential. That segment is ARM. No I'm not talking about your upper body appendages, but the architecture that powers most of your little devices (and some bigger ones too). Almost all smartphones, tablets and many other consumer devices are powered by ARM from one of the numerous licensees. Didn't openSUSE do something about this a while ago? Yes we did. Unfortunately the effort seems to have bitrotted somewhat, there were numerous reasons and I don't even prophesise to know the all either. As such I'm going to try and kickstart things, and see it through and hopefully see it grow. As I mentioned, this idea came up at the conference when I was talking to numerous people (I forget how it all started, but that doesn't really matter). There was an overwhelmingly positive view on the matter, and that for me was all that counts. Now let me be crystal clear here, *THIS WILL NOT BE A ONE MAN SHOW!!* I mentioned previously that my view is that we as a community are pretty lazy at times with getting our hands dirty. As such if you think things are going slow or not going in the direction you would like, don't moan. Get your hands dirty and help make a difference. The process will not be an easy one either, so don't expect a port to magically appear over night. If we're lucky we might be able to have a working port in 6 months. Maybe longer, maybe shorter; ultimately that lies with us as a community. Stage one has begun already thanks to Adrian Schroeter, Alex Graf and Dirk Mueller. Stage one comprises of getting the boot strap process to work. At a cursory level this means getting the packages required for setting up a build chroot environment and for building these packages on the target ARM architecture. This will possibly take a fair amount of time, and no I won't give any timelines for this - how long is a piece of string? openSUSE has a couple of advantages here, 1) we have the OBS which can cross build and if need be cross compile packages for numerous architectures (ARM included) so we are going to make a start with that; 2) SUSE are going to be doing another HackWeek (I think it is next week) which means Adrian, Alex, Dirk and anyone else that has knowledge, experience or interest can join in the fun and pain almost full time for a week - let's not kid ourselves here there is a high probability for lots of pain, but also fun ;-) Thing is HackWeek is not just for SUSE staff, it is also for the community. You can join in and spend some quality time on the project with those that know a whole heap of stuff, and learn from them and maybe even teach them something too. We are going to be targeting ARMv7 nothing older I'm afraid this means CORTEX-A8 and above (looking at A9 primarily and then the new A15 when it's available), it gets too messy otherwise and it is already messy enough.If you have knowledge and experience, please help out. If you don't take part you have no justification to complain - you've got to be in it to win it ;-) So I'm basically just giving you all a heads up on this effort, and will update you as regularly as possible (I'm hoping to do something weekly maybe). In the meantime, if you're interested join #opensuse-arm on Freenode and the opensuse-arm mailing list. *DO NOT HARRASS* for updates, if there is something to say it will be said. If you've got a question, ask and *WAIT* for an answer. If you want to help out but want to know how ask and *WAIT* for an answer. I will try and get something on the wiki soon, with a todo list etc. Thanks and here's to getting our Geeko some ARMs. Regards, Andy -- Andrew Wafaa IRC: FunkyPenguin GPG: 0x3A36312F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Lilypond won't work with guile 2.0, What can I do to prevent it being dropped? Do we really want guile 2.0 yet?
by Dave Plater 26 Sep '11

26 Sep '11

OpenSUSE has jumped way ahead of all the other major distributions by pushing guile-2.0 to factory, this may cause problems for packages such as gnucash if it uses guile to the extent that lilypond does. Lilypond uses guile extensively and are working on porting lily to guile 2.0 but this is their timeline quoted from one of my emails from Graham Percival to the devel list please note that lilypond 2.16.0 may not be released before openSUSE 12.1 and I'm working on 2.14.2 atm the current release : There is absolutely zero chance of lilypond 2.16 using guile 2.0. There is maybe a 10% chance that any version of lilypond will support guile 2.0 in 2011. Total guesswork for future predictions: 50% chance of supporting guile 2.0 before July 2012, 80% chance of support guile 2.0 before the end of 2012. What that means for opensuse is up to you. If you particularly want guile 2.0, then by all means jump in; the more people working on it, the higher the chances are that it'll get done sooner. But based on the amount of work that currently goes into guile 2.0, those are my estimates. Cheers, - Graham and I think this is also relevant, another lily developers reply from the same message: Given that the upcoming ubuntu oneiric apparently does not include guile 2.0, I also don't see a switch to guile 2.0 in the near future. I suppose that we should ask the ubuntu people when they'll finally package guile 2.0. Cheers, Reinhold I've looked at parallel installation of guile 1.8.8 (we jumped from 1.8.7 to 2.0.1) and it doesn't look easy otherwise I would have submitted guile1 but I'm still working on it although I'm not that familiar with the autoconf/automake build system at this level. What this means for openSUSE, lilypond is a very popular musical notation type setting program, the developers pride themselves in the accuracy of the notation positions, it is also used, for musical notation by rosegarden, a popular music and midi composition program. Both of these applications have no substitutes in the open source world and only have costly equivalents in the ms windows world, neither being available for ms windows although there are requests to port for both this won't happen in the immediate future. Rosegarden can work without lilypond as it is only bound to lilyponds notation fonts but the sheet music it exports will be useless so it will lose major functionality. Lilypond won't even be able to be installed via tarball on openSUSE 12.1 without the user removing guile 2.0 completely and installing guile 1.8 via tarball, as a result these users of lilypond and rosegarden will drop openSUSE. I started as a community maintainer by saving both lilypond and rosegarden from being dropped, I'm now very active in maintaining multimedia apps and libs and losing these programs will mean losing a large section of professionals in music related professions that have migrated from the windows world including the people that I've converted from ms windows just by showing them rosegarden although ms's change from xp to vista also helped. For the other packages that directly depend on guile : guile aisleriot gnucash autogen and slib, the change back to guile-1.8.8 won't AFAICS have any negative effects, all of these packages simply have patches for guile 2.0 and after looking at the patches, will most probably build with the patches still in place. I don't know what the situation is with guile users but it is an app for use by apps and not a direct users app. Guile-1.8.7 builds for factory, guile-1.8.7 doesn't build for 11.4. What are we going to do? Drop lilypond, I will keep it alive in home:plater:lilypond with guile-1.8.8 to replace guile-2.0.2 or revert to guile-1.8.8 in line with the other linux distributions? Thanks Dave Plater -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Call for article submissions for news.o.o
by Bryen M. Yunashko 26 Sep '11

26 Sep '11

At the recent 12.1 Marketing hackfest, we devised an editorial schedule and folks have begun writing articles for promoting 12.1. However, some of these articles haven't been submitted yet. We suggest that in order to minimize confusion and reduce excessive pinging, you create an ietherpad with your article and link to it in the editorial schedule at http://ietherpad.com/sked or send your article directly to news(a)opensuse.org. Using a pad such as ietherpad or piratepad has proven to be such a valuable tool for crowdsourcing an article and getting it really spiffed up. Submitting your article links will enable us to ensure the articles are published in a timely manner and also allows the news team to be able to review and polish (not change!) the article itself ahead of time so that it becomes publishable. And while I'm at it, I'll use this opportunity to invite anyone who thinks they have an article in mind to go ahead and start writing it. There's still plenty of topics in our schedule that don't have an assigned writer yet. And as I tell people often, don't worry about your writing skills. Just write! Braindump it! Our news team is dedicated to being there to help polish and make it presentable for you. And wherever possible, we'll make sure that a subject matter expert also reviews the article for accuracy. Our stories do get picked up by other news media outlets and this is a chance to make you shine with a byline! Thanks, Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE News Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-arm] Growing some openSUSE ARMs
by Joop Boonen 23 Sep '11

23 Sep '11

On Fri, September 23, 2011 9:16 pm, Jan-Simon Möller wrote: > <snip> > Well cool - why did it take us ~ 1.5 years to notice ;) . > I just dropped factory pack then as it is too much for just one penguin. >> > 2) SUSE are going to be doing another HackWeek (I think it is next >> week) >> > which means Adrian, Alex, Dirk and anyone else that has knowledge, experience or interest can join in the fun and pain almost full time >> for >> > a week - let's not kid ourselves here there is a high probability for lots of pain, but also fun ;-) Thing is HackWeek is not just for SUSE staff, it is also for the community. You can join in and spend some quality time on the project with those that know a whole heap of >> stuff, >> > and learn from them and maybe even teach them something too. >> > We are going to be targeting ARMv7 nothing older I'm afraid this means >> > CORTEX-A8 and above (looking at A9 primarily and then the new A15 when >> > it's available), it gets too messy otherwise and it is already messy enough.If you have knowledge and experience, please help out. If you don't take part you have no justification to complain - you've got to >> be >> > in it to win it ;-) >> > So I'm basically just giving you all a heads up on this effort, and >> will >> > update you as regularly as possible (I'm hoping to do something weekly >> > maybe). In the meantime, if you're interested join #opensuse-arm on Freenode and the opensuse-arm mailing list. *DO NOT HARRASS* for updates, if there is something to say it will be said. If you've got a >> > question, ask and *WAIT* for an answer. If you want to help out but >> want >> > to know how ask and *WAIT* for an answer. I will try and get something >> > on the wiki soon, with a todo list etc. >> I think we should get people like Jan-Simon Möller on board as he started >> the first openSuSE ARM build in 2009 and also the ARM build in OBS. I think it'll kick-start the ARM port. >> > Thanks and here's to getting our Geeko some ARMs. > So let get a crew together - we have the knowledge and the tools. I'm willing to do my part on the weekends and continue what I did back then. > Time to wipe android from the transformer ?! ;) That'll be one mean machine. (Certainly the upcoming Transformer 2 (TF201 ?) with the Tegra Kal El) I have looked into the Tegra2. I've read this story in connection with hardfp. http://www.slashgear.com/meego-tegra-2-drivers-could-end-android-monopoly-o… http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/07/nvidia-meego-battle-ground/ This looks quite promising. I don't know when these drivers will be available I couldn't find any information yet. > Best, > Jan-Simon Just some information as people are looking into hardware. The trimslice might also be an option as you'll get 45% off as a developer, I don't know if it's still valid. http://trimslice.com/web/dev-kit IMHO the advantage it that there are a lot of Tegra devices Tablets etc. The disadvantage is IMHO that the driver is closed source. I don't know if the nouveau project could change this? Regards, Joop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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