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[opensuse-project] software.opensuse.org down?
by Jim Henderson 19 Apr '11

19 Apr '11

Seems the whole site is down due to some sort of a permission error - not sure of the best way to report it, but wanted to get a report out in case someone on this ML could address it. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Need some graphics...
by Kim Leyendecker 14 Apr '11

14 Apr '11

Am 14.04.2011 17:47, schrieb Jos Poortvliet: > > > Tip: look on flickr.com, go to advanced search and search for pictures > which are creative commons. Look for a term or two ("collaboration" > maybe in this case) and you'll find things ;-) > > > To make it easy, I created this search: > > http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=&l=cc&ct=5&mt=photos&adv=1 > thanks. I will use it ;) > > > It doesn't search on any word, just filters on pics that are CC > licensed. Usually the majority of pics isn't very good but as they are > graphics you can quickly scan them. Searching for 'collaboration' > finds this one for example: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/venessamiemis/4756760521/ > > and this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fncll/145149313/ > > > Searching on "together" finds even more stuff: > > http://www.flickr.com/search/?l=cc&ct=5&mt=photos&adv=1&w=all&q=together&m=… > > > > BTW great effort, I look forward to the article :D > thanks -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker(a)hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador / openSUSE Wiki Team DE HAVE A LOT OF FUN! http://www.opensuse.org | http://www.suse.de Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Need some graphics...
by Kim Leyendecker 14 Apr '11

14 Apr '11

Dear all! I want to create a news article for news.o.o and need a graphic that shows someone or something that people will connect with a person who is hiring somebody for his project or business. If anyone knows some free graphics (free = I can use them for news.o.o without any worries about hurting any others rights.) I would be very thankfull! Background for this is, that I talked to Wolfgang Rosenauer about evergreen and he answers me the following: Hi, Am 14.04.2011 14:08, schrieb Kim Leyendecker: > > I?m on a train to create a news article for getting more > > evergreen-developers/packagers. Now I want to ask you, how many do you > > need, if you need help and how do you think we can help you. > From the past months I would say that the minimum of packagers/developers per distribution is 2. At the moment I'm basically alone and can hardly make it. Some people have interest in Evergreen for 11.2 as well. I would still say that a minimum of two people make sense per distribution. We have one volunteer for 11.2 already. In practice I hope we can share manpower over distribution versions and share the work per package which wouldn't increase the work per distribution non-linear. So to sum up if we are going to launch Evergreen for 11.2 we are in need of two more people. (The more the better ;-)) For testing purposes we have no fixed set of contributors which is a bit risky as it never is clear when a package has been tested good enough before publishing it. So if there are people out there who would like to help doing that, it would help a lot as well. The other area where we could use help is a bit of marketing. I'm wondering if we need to do update announcements somewhere (mailinglist, twitter whatever). I usually only announce when a new package is ready for testing in a non-formal way on our mailinglist. -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker(a)hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador / openSUSE Wiki Team DE HAVE A LOT OF FUN! http://www.opensuse.org | http://www.suse.de Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] organization of conference
by Jos Poortvliet 14 Apr '11

14 Apr '11

Hi, Afaik the latest news on the next openSUSE conference is that AJ and Prusnak are looking for a decent location in resp. Nuremberg and Prague. They will come up with one or more proposals and the people who have stepped up for organizing will discuss and decide. Those people include afaik Klaas Saturday, ALan Clark, Bryen Yunashko, Izabel Valverde, Peter Linnel. AJ and Prusnak and some ppl from the SUSE Labs conference and myself. If you want to help out, add yourself to http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Conference_Planning_2011 I'm sure Prusnak and AJ would appreciate help, esp if you like in Nuremberg or Prague! Izabel just started on a sponsorship brochure, but we need a final location to be able to send that out - prusnak, aj, do your thing ;-) I volunteered to help out with marketing (as part of the marketing team) and the program committee. As per Henne's request, let's have any further discussions about the conference here, on this list, until it bothers people and they tell us to get our own room/mailinglist ;-) Cheers, Jos

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[opensuse-project] future features
by Jos Poortvliet 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

Hi all, I've received a few requests already from ppl asking "what will the next openSUSE release bring". Now I know a few things being worked on, from Webpin2 to the bretzn/appstream stuff. And of course the obvious "latest software packages". But I guess there are other ideas people would like to work on, right? Now I know, it's not done to advertise things when you don't know if they will be finished. But we're not a company, and if 5 of the 20 projects we say we're working on doesn't make it for the next release, well, that's not so strange. Not advertising anything because "we might not get it done" is bad for us - we're already seen as not-innovative and that's becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. Nobody, after all, will join openSUSE development if it is seen as boring. So it will BE boring just because of that. We've done pretty OK with our 11.4 release in terms of features, so now people want to know more. Let's try and give them that. If you plan to work on something cool, say it. Don't keep hiding under that bloody rock just because you might not have time or because you think it's not important! Please give us marketing peeps something to talk about, so openSUSE will be seen as cool again and you'll see- self fulfilling prophecies can work FOR you too ;-) grtz /me who is annoyed that every ubuntu beta fart without any noteworthy feature still gets a dedicated article on his favorite dutch IT news site while a final openSUSE release doesn't get the slightest mention :(

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[opensuse-project] AN OPEN PROPOSAL ON openSUSE VERSION NUMBERING
by Drew Adams 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

AN OPEN PROPOSAL ON openSUSE VERSION NUMBERING: I have been giving the openSUSE version numbering issue some serious thought lately. I have come up with an interesting solution to the issue that I would like to propose to the community. I am in no way married to this idea but I do feel it is the best solution out of everything else that has been proposed. The core idea of the model that I am proposing is to have a set of minor number releases within an 8 month major number release cycle. I have outlined my idea to illustrate what I mean by this. 1) Every 8 months we should launch a major version number release. This would be kind of like Fedora does with their number every 6 months but ours would be every 8. (e.g. openSUSE 12.0) 2) After launch, we should release a new image(GoldMaster) with the updates/patches applied as a minor version number release, once a month for the next 4 months. This will help people who have not installed the major version release because of a bug to install a minor number release as bugs get patched. Also this will help to denote stability and maturity in the release (e.g. openSUSE 12.1, 12.2, 12.3, 12.4) 3) 2 months from the last minor number release we should release one more minor number(this will be 6 months from the original release of our major number)… this will mean the x.5 releases of openSUSE will earn a reputation and respect for being very stable (e.g. openSUSE 12.5) 4) After the x.5 release we should not release any more minor number images in preparation for our next major version number launch! I think this model would make our 8 month cycle more competitive while providing a more structured meaning to our version numbering and, more importantly, maintaining an identity of our own. Also this will show the fast development of our 8 month cycle. Some things to consider before deciding on or implementing this for our project: 1) The increased frequency of version numbering will mean we will have more opportunities to make noise about our distribution in a marketing sense. Also, the transition and change to this model will give use marketing opportunities to ensure the FOSS community knows of the changes before implementation. Keep in mind that more noise means more energy from our marketing team and ambassadors. 2) This is something that CAN be done however, we would need volunteers from the community to help with the added man power it will take to crank out the minor number releases. Though it may take some added effort to achieve this model, we have the infrastructure in place to help facilitate it (OBS, openFATE, Connect, Lizards blogs, Wiki pages, Forums, etc.). 3) The frequency of the minor number releases proposed above is NOT the heart of this proposal. Rather, it is a personal opinion on how the idea of interim(minor number) patched releases within our 8 month cycle can look. A NOTE: I know some will have an issue with this thinking that it abandons the 8 month development cycle but in my opinion this enhances it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] AN OPEN PROPOSAL ON openSUSE VERSION NUMBERING
by Kim Leyendecker 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

Am 12.04.2011 19:50, schrieb James Mason: > I don't want to remove any packages; this is the same package set used > for the downloadable ISOs, and it is important to maintain integrity makes sense to me. -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker(a)hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador / openSUSE Wiki Team DE HAVE A LOT OF FUN! http://www.opensuse.org | http://www.suse.de Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Announcing search.opensuse.org
by Brandon Philips 11 Apr '11

11 Apr '11

Hello- I have put together a simple search interface to opensuse.org that uses Google CSE by default but allows for submissions to application specific webforms. You can find it here: http://search.opensuse.org/ Found a bug? Want to contribute? Fork it on gitorious.org: http://gitorious.org/search-opensuse-org/search-opensuse-org I would like to thank Marcus Rückert and Pascal Bleser for their help. Have Fun, Brandon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] RMLL
by jdd 09 Apr '11

09 Apr '11

The "Libre Software Meeting" (RMLL) will be held in Strasbourg in the second/third week of july (9-14) http://2011.rmll.info/ This is the larger international free software fest in France. Being near the Est french side, it could be easy for openSUSE official to come. I hope to be able to attend. I wrote to the organisation (no answer yet), but alone I wont do much good :-( usually it's held in an university campus, so accomodation and food are cheap. I had little answers on th french list until now :-( Josh offered to help (including with money), but we first have to have attendees :-) jdd NB I cross post on project and marketting, don't knowing what is the best list last year web site: http://2010.rmll.info/spip.php -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pi… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] I want to be a mentor for the proposal "Hot File system Backup using Ext4 Snapshots"
by sergey ivanov 08 Apr '11

08 Apr '11

Hi, I'm Sergey Ivanov, I'd like to be a mentor for the proposal "Hot File system Backup using Ext4 Snapshots". Freenode IRC Nick: seriv. I work in OmniTI as a system administrator. I'd like to have good snapshots with means to serialize the changes made on the filesystem between them and to send/receive these from one filesystem to another on linux. I use this every day in solaris on zfs and miss it in linux. I was a packager in Altlinux team (dovecot, reiser4...), and helped by testing and benchmarking filesystems. If I need to send more details or information, please tell what and where to supply. -- Regards, Sergey Ivanov -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Fwd: [GSoC Proposal] spec-cleaner
by kunal ghosh 08 Apr '11

08 Apr '11

Hi all, I am writing my proposal here before uploading to the gsoc-melange portal , please do let me know how i can further refine it: Title: spec-cleaner redesign to make it modular and easy to extend. Abstract: RPM packaging is done using a build recipe , the "spec file". Spec file authoring has been done for a very long time. As the distribution moves to newer releases of rpm, the old spec files (and newer ones) must be checked to make sure they use newer macros and better spec authoring practices. The project aims to facilitate this by further improving the spec-cleaner project with a spec file parser, and an xml based extension system (to add more cleaning recipes in the future). Detailed Description: Background: The project is a simple spec file checker and cleaner. The code goes over all available spec files looking for common spec authoring errors and replaces them with more readable and correct code. As opensuse moves to newer versions of rpm, older macros may be deprecated , some shorthand used in earlier versions of the spec file may break with newer rpmbuild. It is not possible to manually look at each spec file and modify them. This project aims to perform a bunch of the checking and modification task automatically leaving the packager to look for only subtle details, there by greatly reducing his/her workload. Use Cases: This project will mainly be used by the packagers (actors). When opensuse moves to newer releases the packagers run the spec-cleaner through all their spec files. Spec-cleaner reports any errors along with changes made to files. The packager can then run tests on the modified spec files to make sure nothing breaks. He/she then rpmbuilds from the spec-files and corrects small errors if any to make the spec file run with newer versions of rpm. Benefits: The packager's time looking for common coding errors is greatly reduced. Specification changes between different version of rpms is taken care of automatically. Caveats: This is an automatic code checker and cleaner. It will not be able to look for hacks that the packager might have employed to package a particular software. In some cases it might regard the hack as a bad coding practice. The packager must look for these manually and apply necessary corrections. Technical Details: The Project would be divided into 3 parts: Part 1: Read existing code and evaluate how best to modularize it. Run tests on existing code to make sure the working and the caveats are well understood. Part 2: Implement the changes: Write a spec file parser Having done a preliminary search for spec file parsers , i have not found any. I have looked at python-rpm and its more of a package to work with rpm packages than spec files, so there arises a need for a generic spec file parser. python-rpm and rpm in general contains a specific module called "rpmSpecParse()" which could be isolated and used as a parser for the cleaner, this needs further looking into. Come up with a XML schema which is easy to understand and easy to extend. Adding new clean-up recipes is not very semantically organized. A simple XML file wrapping new cleaning recipes in appropriate tags would be more appropriate. The rough markup could be , <recipe> <rpm version> <macro affected> <regexp> </regexp> <replace with> </replace with> </macro affected> </rpm version> </recipe> Move portions of current spec-cleaner code that are hard coded , into separate configuration files so that they can be modified without touching the code and also have more semantically organized. Part 3: Extend available test cases and write a more if time permits. Write documentation / augment the code written with doxygen headers. Why me: I have used python extensively in my projects (reference https://github.com/face-rec-mvit/Code_PyRec ) also i am working on converting IPS (opensolaris) binary packages to RPM, for belenix.org (here we use rpm5) so i have a fair understanding of how the spec file is authored and what are the available macros etc. Also , from past projects i have worked on. I have learnt (the hardway :( ) that "shipping" of the project must be a feature and i will follow the same in the current spec-cleaner project and all future projects. Contact Information: IRC nick: gancient (on most irc channels , freenode ,oftc) email: kunal.t2(a)gmail.com IM : kunal.t2 (on gtalk) -- regards ------- Kunal Ghosh Dept of Computer Sc. & Engineering. Sir MVIT Bangalore,India permalink: member.acm.org/~kunal.t2 Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net -- regards ------- Kunal Ghosh Dept of Computer Sc. & Engineering. Sir MVIT Bangalore,India permalink: member.acm.org/~kunal.t2 Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] GSoC - Request Feedback - End User Oriented Web Interface
by Priyanka 07 Apr '11

07 Apr '11

Hi, My name is Priyanka. I am in my second year of B.Tech (Bachelor of Technology), in Computer Science. My inclinations are towards C, C++, PHP and Ruby-on-Rails. I am also comfortable with git. I am strongly inclined to apply to openSUSE for GSoC. The idea that interested me was the End-User Oriented Web Interface. Currently the user page is extremely limited to displaying the projects the user is a part of. I propose the following changes in the interface, Expansion of the User Profile ------------------------------------------ * Expanding the user profile to include profiles on GitHub, Gitorious, Ohloh. * The ability to pull the recent activity done by the user on these websites. This would be great if the user has a couple of famous repositories. * IRC networks, and channels frequented. * An 'about me' text. * An ability for users to comment on the user activities, which include apart from their usual activities on the build-service, other things which have been pulled, like github commits, etc. Karma ---------- I believe there should be a 'Karma' system on the build-service. This would encourage users to contribute. * For example, if a user is working on a personal repository and pushes a bug-fix or the implementation of a new-features, he/she can be rewarded with Karma. This Karma can be attained either by 'up-votes', or by other members donating their own Karma. * Ohloh's statistics using their public API can be used for getting Karma too. * Karma can be auto-assigned to maintainers of popular packages, etc. And it all gets gelled up to be a more informative user page, which helps people know each other more. With the user's development activities getting space on his/her homepage, the end-users would be able to connect with the user's open-source work. This would help add an element of interaction to the process. The Karma component is an essential element to this interaction because the community recognizes an individual's effort. And we all can do with a little praise :-) Background Information ---------------------------------- I have already set up the development environment, I even reported a bug in the Build Service to Sascha :-) My experience with web-development has been using Rails and PHP for college activities like online treasure hunts, etc. However, I am into serious development as well. I have been working on a Q & A application using MongoDB as a NoSQL database. [0] The proposal is an informal one. I would be polishing it, and include a time line, where I will be breaking the work down, as far as possible, into atomic modules with realistic deadlines. As frequent users of the Build Service, I would be extremely glad to hear some suggestions / feedback on the above proposal. Thanks & Regards, Priyanka [0] https://github.com/priyanka-m/ask -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] GSoC: Offline update
by ges05eup＠studserv.uni-leipzig.de 07 Apr '11

07 Apr '11

Hello opensuse-projects! I learned just today that I won't have a lot to do in summer. So I want to try and commit myself to open source and openSUSE! I have put up a preliminary application at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/nei/1 The project that I'm talking about is a convenient way to update and install packages on a "offline" openSUSE box. (Of course the intermediate step with an "online" computer is unavoidable if you don't want to mirror all the repos for offline usage. Also, I have the feeling that this might already exist somewhere but I haven't found it yet :-) ) I'm hoping to see if anyone is interested in this project or thinks that this would be useful. If so, I'd also be lacking a mentor ;-) Looking forward to feedback! To introduce myself, I've been using SuSE some time back in 2001 and since 10.2 also openSUSE. I'm mostly a user and I wrote some scripts for personal use or for IRC. Currently a student in Leipzig, Germany. I've been in touch with freely available source code for a while, probably 1999 when I was working with iKonboard setting up a web community and later on providing free tech support for phpBB, before I switched to mostly administration tasks on then debian-based webservers. Most of the programming work I've done happened to be in Perl, if that has any meaning. But so far I didn't manage to get involved in anything big. Cheers, Nei ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] last linuxtag call
by Jos Poortvliet 07 Apr '11

07 Apr '11

Dear friends, Henne has stepped up to organize Linuxtag attendance. If you don't get rooms from LinuxTag, we can book for you. We all stay in the linuxtag hotel (provided there is still room... let's hope so, otherwise henne will try and find something else). It works as follows: send me an official ambassador support request for sponsoring per mail so I have a papertrail. send the following: - Name (like in passport), address, phone (international!) - if you need us to book hotel nights and how many - if you need travel cost support, and if so, most up to date travel costs guestimation in USD or Eur. We reimburse 80% at most! - a short description/explanation of why you should be there - what do you intend to contribute and what are your contributions to date If any of that is missing I won't be able to pay :D Please CC Henne (so he can book if it's OK'ed) and AJ. Grtz Jos

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[opensuse-project] [GSoC] Application for dister, the Heroku-like solution for SUSE Studio
by Bjørn Arild Mæland 06 Apr '11

06 Apr '11

Hi, I've lurked around here a bit and have already submitted the first version of my proposal, but I'd like to introduce myself to the list also. My name is Bjørn Arild Mæland and I'm a master's student at the University of Bergen in Norway. I've been doing a bunch of web development through the years (mainly Ruby on Rails), and I am a long-time Linux user. I'd love to work on dister, the Heroku-like solution for SUSE Studio, this summer. I think it's a great project which will increase openSUSE's attractiveness for web developers and others. For formatting purposes I'm linking directly to my application on melange: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/bma025/1 Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. -Bjørn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [reminder] openSUSE Project Meeting tomorrow at 18:00 UTC
by openSUSE Meeting Reminder 05 Apr '11

05 Apr '11

Hello all, The biweekly project meeting will be held tomorrow at 18:00 UTC in #opensuse-project on freenode. Everybody is invited to join and participate! Find out what time the meeting will be in your timezone: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=6&month=4&year=2011&ho… Agenda of the meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting If you cannot participate and want a specific question to be answered during the meeting, please add your question to: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Questions_Section Minutes and logs of previous meetings can be found at: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/ Thanks, -- openSUSE Meeting Reminder -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [GSoC] Offline Package Management for OpenSUSE
by gigih aji ibrahim 05 Apr '11

05 Apr '11

Hello, I am gigih aji ibrahim from University of Indonesia, I am interested for applying OpenSUSE GSoC project. My idea is to create offline package management for OpenSUSE. Currently, when your computer is not connected to network, installing and updating a package is difficult process. As example, I want to upgrade my firefox to version 4 in openSUSE 11.4, I usually go to http://software.opensuse.org/114/en, type 'Firefox', and get the .rpm file. However, when I run 'sudo rpm -Uvh' on my computer, the process stopped and give error that you need a new mozilla-xulrunner20. Then, the next day, I download mozilla-xulrunner20. Now, the error is little different, it says I need a new mozilla-js20. I do the same routine again to fulfill all dependencies for new Firefox. I spend 4 days just to install new Firefox. My friend that use ubuntu is having more easy process than mine. He just use offline package management called keryx (http://keryxproject.org/) to update his computer. Unfortunately, keryx only support distribution that use apt/deb. My idea is to extend keryx to implement zypper/rpm support. What yours opinion about this idea? -- http://www.bungcip.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Wubi Project
by Abhejit Rajagopal 05 Apr '11

05 Apr '11

Hi all, I was pursuing an application to openSUSE's GSOC for the openSUSE Wubi project. The mentor for this project is listed as İsmail Dönmez but the user page doesn't provide an email. Any idea how I can get in contact with him? Relevant link: http://en.opensuse.org//openSUSE:GSOC_2011_Ideas#openSUSE_Wubi Thanks, Abhejit Rajagopal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Introducing SaX3 as a GSoC Project
by Manu Gupta 04 Apr '11

04 Apr '11

Thanks all I had already done that :D > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Christian Boltz <opensuse(a)cboltz.de> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> on Montag, 4. April 2011, pistazienfresser wrote: >> > 2011/4/4 pistazienfresser <pistazienfresser(a)gmx.de>: >> > > 2011/4/3 Kim Leyendecker <kimleyendecker(a)hotmail.de>: >> > >> Is there any public mirror/server where I can get the SaX2 / SaX3 >> > >> sources for free? >> >> > https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=sax2&project=X11%3AU >> > tilities [...] >> >> ... and from there you follow the URL: in the spec, go to >> http://sax.berlios.de/ and you'll find: >> - the SVN with latest sources >> - the SaX-User and SaX-Devel mailinglists >> >> It looks like Stefan Dirsch did at least some commits in the last >> months :-) >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Christian Boltz >> -- >> Also, ich hab mit win3.11 (damals war ich 2 jahre alt) angefangen und >> hab dann alle Win-versionen erlebt, bis xp. Das war entgültig zuviel. >> Danach war Schluss. Jetzt nur noch SuSE Linux. >> [Soeren Wengerowsky in suse-linux] >> -- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org >> > > > > -- > Regards > Manu Gupta > > -- Regards Manu Gupta -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Introducing SaX3 as a GSoC Project
by Kim Leyendecker 04 Apr '11

04 Apr '11

Is there any public mirror/server where I can get the SaX2 / SaX3 sources for free? thanks -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker(a)hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador / openSUSE Wiki Team DE http://www.opensuse.org Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Interviews with openSUSE people
by Kim Leyendecker 04 Apr '11

04 Apr '11

Dear Geeckos! This is for everyone who´s interested and want to do it. If so please mail me (kimleyendecker(a)hotmail.de) and answer the questions. I will publish the interviews later ;) Questions: *What´s your releationship with openSUSE? *Since when you´re using openSUSE? *Do you used any other distros before or beside openSUSE? If so, which distros? *What´s your favourite open source tool? *Why are you using openSUSE? And why are you contribute to the openSUSE project? If you want so, you can add something about yourself or your other projects/hobbies or just a little greeting to your wife/husband girl/boyfriend or to a person you want to greet ;) I will publish the interviews between 26th April and 1th May on the Ambassador-List under the GNU Free Document License v1.3 and also on my blog. If the interviews published, I beg you to spread them over Facebook and Twitter or any other social network you have. *Why that all?* Because this is a nice thing for everyone outside the project, to learn about the project members and the people who take care of their distro. It also maybe motivate people to contribute to openSUSE and open source projects as well, because they see who wonderful you all are :) and maybe get some new paragons :) thanks -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker(a)hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador http://www.opensuse.org Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Fwd: gsoc proposal : icc device profile repository
by nitin chadha 04 Apr '11

04 Apr '11

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: nitin chadha <upcomingnewton(a)gmail.com> Date: Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 3:56 PM Subject: gsoc proposal : icc device profile repository To: opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org hi all, i have made a proposal for device profile repository and i would like to share it with all. please provide comments and guide me to submit a better proposal PROPOSAL FOR ICC DEVICE PROFILE REPOSITORY. COLOR MANAGEMENT BACKGROUND Many a times, it is observed that an image as seen on a monitor may have color variations when printed. Or a scanned image appears differently when seen on monitor etc. All these are examples of color mismatch or poor color management. Users are looking for color predictability and consistency. We would like a colored page to be reproducible on a variety of technologies / devices / mediums with consistent results. In order to get similar results, we must ensure that a colors match their colorimetric ( or standardized like CIE ) values on different devices, and hence different color values need to be sent to different devices ( like monitor for a pc, a printer, a plotter , or may be a mobile or ipad screen, since every device perceives colors differently ) or applications ( say, gimp or photoshop ) for maintaining consistency. Thus, we need a way to take the values that represent the desired color on one device ( called technically as input profile ) and change it to corresponding value on other device ( or output profiles, as ICC calls them ).Also a reference is also needed so that conversion is consistent( commonly called profile connection space ( PCS), and generally internationally accepted reference standards are used ). The transformation is done by a generic transform mechanism using a color matching module or color matching method (CMM). A CMM is a part of larger software called color management system (CMS). A cms ensures that colors remain same regardless of the device or medium used to display colors. PROBLEM BACKGROUND There are a plenty of color - viewing- mediums in the market ( mediums may be different devices like monitors, scanners, printers, or they may be applications like gimp or may be a Smartphone screen, the only needed thing is that it should support colors in some way or the other ). And each one perceives colors differently. So, whenever images are transferred from one of these mediums to another, they have (standardized) attached profiles so that this conversion is smooth and not a large difference is observed in the colors. Thus, we require correct ( and the best ) profiles to correctly handle colors transformations. Systems like windows and mac have inbuilt color management modules at os level, so that these conversions and profiling are done automatically. However, in linux, color management is not implemented at os level, hence associated profiles and transformations are not very efficient. Hence I propose to build a cross platform solution for obtaining and using best profiles by applications / devices automatically. ( Here’s a small example ) ( suppose you take a picture from your android phone and transfer it to pc for manipulation using gimp or for taking a print out. Now, phone perceives colors in a different way, and your monitor screen ( in case of gimp ) or printer perceives colors differently. Hence, when picture is transferred to pc, a profile is sent along. If you open it using gimp, it is duty of gimp to transfer the image data accordingly to monitor profile so that you view the colors consistently. If you want to take a print out, then it is duty of printer settings to do conversion accordingly. But for best conversion, we need the best possible profile attached. BASIC IDEA The basic idea is the creation of a central repository and a web front end as well as small command line interface + GUI on client systems. Whenever, users open color management application on their computer, then they will have an option to get the best profile from the web matching their device. Also, they will have an option to send and share their profiles with others. Web front end will be a kind of wiki, where users will rate and comment on the profiles, also they can ask their questions and where web statistics regarding color devices and management will be shown. This central database / repository will be linked with CMS like oyranosCMS etc and various front- ends like kolor-manager through the client library. An independent client GUI application will also be developed. Use Cases Typical users should not care about color management of their devices. Their configuration will be handled automatically with little interaction. For amateurs, who do not own an expensive measurement device, it can make color management under Linux affordable and popular. For experts, it will be a nice way of sharing the best profiles Companies can directly put the pre configured profiles matching devices etc in our database. Technical following projects: We can Integrate the new system into various setup tools like printer setup, or integrate over the Color management solutions etc. Benefits: The proposed system will have many benefits. I am presenting some, but others can be easily thought. 1. HOME USERS Optimization will be a big thing. You can take full advantage of your printers, scanners etc. the proposed system will enable it to download and use the best profile relating to your scanner and printer. Thus, enabling to publish or print the image with original colors preserved. Normal users can very easily and conveniently download and configure various profiles for different hardware devices like printers, scanners, phones, pads etc. It will enable much better sharing of colored images, videos etc. Users need not worry about the technical details and whatever colors they have picked will be served even if they change the viewing application or device. 2. SMALL TO MID RANGE BUSINESS Small to mid range business for color related tasks like printing shops etc will be beneficial as they can get best profiles written by experts for free ( as against buying profiles ). Thus, using linux as a medium for color management will be affordable and cheap. 3. MANUFACTURERS They can put their profiles in our central database directly, whereby, it will be very convenient for users to have the best profiles. 4. It will act as an already made repository for fetching icc files ( like repositories in opensuse ) for future color management systems. In short, I would like a way for every application on Linux to implement the best color possible by connecting it to a centralized CMS like oyranos, lcms and then getting the best possible profile according to the hardware it’s going to work on, from the net, automatically. The best benefit is to end user, who will be able to exploit the hardware devices fully with best available profiles available for them. Technical Details and Implementation The whole project is divided in different stages. I will explain the stages one by one giving their working. 1. MAKING OF CENTRAL DATABASE. A relational database and a file system as a part of project will be implemented. Relational database will have necessary meta data about profiles, devices, hardware, drivers etc. since expected number of profiles can run into thousands, hence they are not directly stored in database, but in some file ( like xml files ) on file system. Only, concerned Meta data will be stored in database. File system for storing profiles will have hierarchical structure. LEVEL - 1 = / ( root of the application ) ( directory ) LEVEL - 2 = different types of devices (like monitors, printers etc ) ( directory ) LEVEL - 3 = manufacturer of the device ( like hp, canon etc ) ( directory ) LEVEL - 4 = specifications ( like make, model etc ) ( directory ) LEVEL - 5 = here the profile's file will stay. ( files ) BENEFITS OF THIS APPROACH : 1. POSSIBLE TO EXPAND AND CONTRACT THE TREE. 2. EASE OF BACKUP 3. CAN STORE QUITE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION DRAWBACKS 1. Possible searching time can be more, if profiles amount is less. The final structure and schema of database will be finalized after discussion with mentor, community and going through the minute database structure of CMS Like oyranos , lcms etc( oyranos uses a similar database structure as proposed here). I will do it before 23 may i.e. before coding starts. 2. WRITING SERVER SIDE CODE ( SERVER API'S FOR ACCESSING DATABASE BOTH FROM WEBSITE AS WELL AS FROM END USER'S REQUEST ) Basically, all coding for inserting, deleting , selecting or updating the database will be done through this layer. Both website as well as requests coming from the users will be referencing the code here. This approach has advantages 1. Direct access to database is not provided so that nobody cannot modify database in illegal manner or inconsistent manner. 2. A uniform platform for all data related tasks - so these api's can be called from anywhere. 3. Even tomorrow if we have to change the database, then it will be very easy as the coding is generic and scalable for future changes 4. Helps in maintaining and extending the code easily. 5. Easy to understand and flexible. 6. Business rules can be made here. For example, we do not won’t that a duplicate profile should be stored in our data base systems, then we can make coding accordingly here. 3. WRITING CLIENT SIDE LIBRARY FOR ACCESSING THE DATABASE + MAKING OF CLI. This will be made in c/c++ . Purpose of this library will be to exchange the data with central database and share and get profiles. Medium of data import / export will be either xml or json. This library will be responsible for all database related tasks and will act as an intermediate between central database and client applications. It will provide data to requesting to client app’s like CLI or various CMS like oyranos, lcms etc. this is essential because it will provide a consistent api so that in future this code can be easily integrated with cms directly or with front- ends like kolor-manager or gnome-color-manager. 4. MAKING OF WEB SITE. The website part will be either in php/ python. Either it can be made from scratch or can be made from other content management solutions like drupal / joomla / django. Main tasks performed here will be 1. Comments and rating of profiles 2. Display statistics for various profiles / hardware. 3. Getting the expert help. 4. Users can add new profiles to central database from here. 5. Users can download the best profile matching their device from here. 5. WRITING THE GUI FOR THE CLIENT SIDE, (PROBABLY CROSS – PLATFORM). Now, client side api’s already written, it’s time to write the client side GUI probably in QT, which will be totally cross platform so that application runs on gnome or kde equally well. 6. INTEGRATION WITH KOLOR MANAGER + WRITING A WRAPPER LIBRARY FOR OYRANOS. lastly, i would love to take this opportunity to integrate the code with the applications like kolor-manager and various databases running at os level like oyranos, so that they can select the best profile matching hardware on client’s system themselves automatically. TIMELINE BEFORE MAY 23 – finalise the database structure and schema. Making use case diagrams , finalizing classes ( in short, completeion of SRS ). Also, reading and understanding of documentation of various color management systems. May 23 – may 29 – making database, writing stored procedures , triggers etc ( wherever necessary ). May 30 – june 5 – 1st week of writing server side code ( start ) June 6 – june 12 – 2nd week of writing server side code. ( finalizing server side code, testing etc ) June 13 – june 19 – 1st week on client side library. ( start ) June 20 – june 26 – 2nd week of writing client side library. ( finalizing and testing ) June 27 – july 3 – 3rd week of client side code.( integration with oyranos, and making and testing command line interface, also populating the central database with CLI ). July 4 – july 11 - 4th week of client coding. Making a small qt application or integrating with already exists GUI like Kolor-manager. JULY 11 - INTERMEDIATE EVALUATION July 11 – july 17 – 1st week of starting of website (making users, administrators etc ). July 18 – july 24 – 2nd week of website. ( displaying the statistics, profiles, making the comment and rating system ) July 25 – july 31 – 3rd week of website. ( making comment system,rating system etc and administrator pages etc ) August 1 – august 7 – 4th week of website. ( giving final touches, improving css etc ) AUGUST 8 – 15 ie A PERIOD OF 2 WEEKS HAVE BEEN KEPT AS A BUFFER PERIOD. If anything goes wrong or is delayed, then it will be corrected in this period. Else, I will go ahead and start integrating with the other CMS like AgryllCMS etc. Why Me 1. I have good experience in making websites for my college. I know php/ python , sql, html, css, js and jquery. I am eager to learn django or drupal and will learn one of the cms before gsoc starts. ( it will also benefit me in making other sites after gsoc, so learning one is on my radar ). 2. I am learning QT as a part of current curriculum at the university will have gained a significant experience in it before gsoc starts. 3. I have a good grasp of C and C++. 4. I am hardworking, dedicated and know how to find my way once pointed in the right direction. 5. I am free during the summers and have no other preoccupation , except an hour of running/exercise in the morning. 6. I am fluent in English so I would not have any problems with the conversations with the mentors, I speak Hindi and Punjabi as well. 7. I have talked extensively with my mentor on irc and through mail so that project is clear to me. 8. I have searched a lot of and proposed various new things, discussed the topic extensively and proposed the best thing possible for this project. ABOUT ME I am Nitin Chadha,pursuing my undergraduation ( currently, in my pre-final year) in Computer Science Engineering from Panjab University, Chandigarh, India. Panjab University is one of the oldest and best institutions in the country to study science and engineering. I have been using open suse from 3 years now, and got to know about GSOC, when one of my friend met open suse members in KDE conference held in Bangalore this march. I am deeply interested in linux and playing with javascript. I have conducted workshops on FOSS at my university. I have undertaken severly professional linux courses for operating system internals and device driver programming. My preferred languages of coding are c, c++ and python ( although I am getting accustomized to java ). Regarding websites, I have designed several of them for my university’s student related tasks from time to time. I love to play with javascript and emulating flash through jquery and javascript. Contact Information You can contact me through my mail or on irc. I am there on gtalk, twitter and facebook. email-id = upcomingnewton(a)gmail.com irc-nick = upcomingnewton phone no. = ( +91 ) 9646441196 im( gtalk ) xmpp:upcomingnewton@gmail.com COMMENTS ARE WELCOME AND DISCUSSION AND CRITISM WILL BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED. ANY IMPROVEMENTS ETC ARE ALSO WELCOME, BEFORE I SUBMIT IT ON MELANGE PAGE. -- GREETINGS NITIN CHADHA -- GREETINGS NITIN CHADHA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Introducing SaX3 as a GSoC Project
by Manu Gupta 03 Apr '11

03 Apr '11

Hi All SaX3 is a GSoC 2011 project. I have applied for it. So in order to strengthen my proposal I need some help from you guys. So if you can help me. During my project, I would like to focus on these hardware components. 1. Monitors / Graphic Cards 2. Keyboard 3. Mouse 4. Touchpad What I would like to know is how SaX2 etc helped you in crisis situations. All suggestions are highly valuable to me. -- Regards Manu Gupta -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] GSOC Idea: Command line client for SSC
by Ratan Sebastian 02 Apr '11

02 Apr '11

Hi, I'd like to work on the improvement of the Suse Studio command line client(ssc) idea for GSOC this year. I've gone through the current ssc code but found no documentation on it. Is there someone here I can talk to who has worked on it and would know what is lacking. It would help me formulate a detailed project proposal. As I see it I'd first write a wrapper for the suse studio api(http://susestudio.com/help/api/v1) and a command like client to use the wrapper. It would be a good idea to separate the two so that the wrapper can be used programatically as well. Let me know what you think. Thanks. -- Ratan Sebastian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Introducing SaX3 as a GSoC Project
by Zack Buhman 01 Apr '11

01 Apr '11

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Manu Gupta <manugupt1(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi All > > SaX3 is a GSoC 2011 project. I have applied for it. So in order to > strengthen my proposal I need some help from you guys. So if you can > help me. Excellent idea! One of my most common usages for sax2 was something like "sax2 -r -m 0=fbdev" whenever I'd bork fglrx. A few releases ago, when I had a radeon 200m, the radeon module didn't work at all, so it used to be a hair simpler to use sax to switch modules for me. Making sax3 as much cli-oriented as well as the sax3 gui would help. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Christian Boltz <opensuse(a)cboltz.de> wrote: > And in general: SaX should write out only the config parts that are > needed/wanted by the user, not a complete xorg.conf. So if someone only > changes the keyboard layout, SaX should only generate a configuration > sniplet for the keyboard. Agreed, however I think sax3 should use the xorg.conf.d, splitting the sections up in to files, and not making one big nasty xorg.conf like sax2 did. As crazy as the question might sound, would it be possible to merge xrandr with sax3? So for example, if the user asks for a change that can be done with KMS, to do the change immediately (if the user agrees) and/or to write it to the xorg.conf.d at the same time? That way there'd be just one central place to go to for playing around with monitors? Accompanying sax3, there'd be a yast-sax3 module, right (this would benefit new users, primarly), and it would be re-integrated in to the non-automatic configuration during the installation process? Zack Buhman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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