February 2011 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] KDE meeting on 3rd March 15UTC
by Karsten König 23 Feb '11

23 Feb '11

Hello everybody! Our planned meeting for today is pushed back one week as most people lack time or are unable to attend, there was no opposition to a one week delay in the channel. The next openSUSE KDE Team meeting will be held on Wednesday, 3rd March at 15:00 UTC. For discussion this week: * announcement and marketing rally for 11.4 (remur_030) Generic all-time topics: * old action items * status report * Q&A, misc Further items are appreciated; please add them and your IRC nick to http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:KDE_Meetings Please use http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2011&month=3&day=… to get the time of the meeting in your time zone. The meeting will happen in #opensuse-kde IRC channel on irc.freenode.net (feel free to add yourself to the list of people who should be notified before the meeting, at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:KDE_meetings_ping_list) Everyone is welcome to join in and participate! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] F-spot does not import video
by Carlos E. R. 22 Feb '11

22 Feb '11

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, In 11.2 f-spot imports both videos and photos from my camera. In 11.4, it only imports photos. Is this intentional? If it is configurable, where? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk1kH9gACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UhZQCfQslZIizuyJ2GuXnc4/5ehSa9 tqoAnAlt2DNgoTUPIWqvR1Intk2bDpew =YXqG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] GSOC
by Jos Poortvliet 22 Feb '11

22 Feb '11

Hi all, Soon organizations will be able to submit their application to Google for the Summer of Code 2011! It would of course be awesome if openSUSE could be part of this. So it is time to start putting proposals in; add ideas, offer to mentor them - but if you're interested we also need people to help out organizing the GSOC2011! Manu Gupta already prepared an extensive GSOC wiki page: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GSOC_2011 Ideas & mentors can be added on this page: http://en.opensuse.org/GSOC_2011_Ideas Go in, add ideas & your name as mentor! Cheers, Jos

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[opensuse-project] Ein Stück Lebensqualität sichern
by Verbraucher-Tipp 22 Feb '11

22 Feb '11

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[opensuse-project] Facebook Counter for 11.4
by Raul 21 Feb '11

21 Feb '11

Friends, This time we will not appl. to facebook? http://apps.facebook.com/opensuse-counter/ Hugs, -- Raul Libório http://rauhmaru.blogspot.com/ rauhmarutsªhotmailºcom openSUSE Member | Linux User #4444581 "There are only 10 types of people in the world - Those who understand binary, and those who don't." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] ERROR 404 (Not Found) - Factory Release Notes
by Malcolm 21 Feb '11

21 Feb '11

Hi Could someone please fix the 'Release Notes' link at the bottom of the page http://software.opensuse.org/developer/en It does however head off to a http://www.suse.de address, should this not be modified to an openSUSE one? -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890) SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 11 (x86_64) Kernel 2.6.32.27-0.2-default up 7:54, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.12, 0.08 GPU GeForce 8600 GTS Silent - Driver Version: 260.19.26 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE wiki statistics
by Rajko M. 21 Feb '11

21 Feb '11

This topic is of interest to all openSUSE contributors, so the choice of mail list. Statistics are important, as they let us know where to focus efforts to improve wiki and distribution. http://en.opensuse.org/Special:PopularPages http://en.opensuse.org/Special:Statistics 1. Main Page ‎ (855,498 views) 2. Portal:Distribution ‎(428,440 views) 3. Package repositories ‎ (236,467 views) 4. Portal:11.3 ‎(236,428 views) 5. Additional package repositories ‎(226,989 views) 6. Derivatives ‎(222,337 views) 7. SDB:Live USB stick ‎(208,982 views) 8. SDB:Download help ‎(138,494 views) 9. Portal:Documentation ‎(125,758 views) 10. openSUSE:Browse ‎(113,149 views) Main Page ‎(855,498 views) Lead in number of views, but having it as a home page in the browser can create bigger numbers views then actual number of visitors. Never changing page is not the best presentation of wiki and distribution. It doesn't show dynamic of the project which is lately increased few times. Items that never change are used in regular propaganda to bring boredom and force people to migrate elsewhere. The other extreme is too high dynamic of changes that force people to learn basic navigation on every visit and push them to the sites with some predictable elements. I don't know what is absolutely the best, but we can try to have: Left: as is, static list of links - learn once and use many times Center top: very short intro to the project (not necessarily exactly what it is, but catchy few words. Center: news; one to two lines with links to actual articles, images (quality) Right: fast access to the most popular articles which is changing slowly over the time Portal:Distribution ‎(428,440 views) The largest number of visits has page with information about distribution. How people make to this page would be interesting to see how important are links in the Main Page, and how many people used side bar that is available from any page. Package repositories ‎(236,467 views) Obviously people are interested in software, and how to get it. Page is somewhat confusing. It lists repos that are included by default. It has type of repo as basic division (oss, non-oss, debug, source), and openSUSE releases as secondary, while we refer to release as a first in many other places. Using release as base is better as underscores that release should be treated as whole, separate unit, from another release. Portal:11.3 ‎(236,428 views) It looks good. It would be interesting to see how people came to this page. Knowing the path visitors used to find the page should help to improve browsing. Lesser clicks is always wise idea. Additional package repositories ‎(226,989 views) It looks good, but the listing that will list all repos per release would benefit users. It will make life easier for new users that want to add repos to the release at hand. Derivatives ‎(222,337 views) It is interesting how popular is "something different". Sort of the topics is a bit strange, needs some thinking and fitting in the wiki visitor workflow. "Build your own" as a first topic? That should be logical step if you can't find anything that fits you. SDB:Live USB stick ‎(208,982 views) It is obvious that "Live USB stick" is very popular method to install distro. Price drop for USB memory sticks, and no problem booting with recent computers makes them attractive replacement for many users. Problem is that page is quite hard to read after many additions. Improvements should be split between "SUSE Studio Image Writer" for windows, making all iso files hybrid and the article itself. SDB:Download help ‎(138,494 views) It looks good, the only improvement is to give explicit link to http://software.opensuse.org very early on the page. Portal:Documentation ‎(125,758 views) Yes, people look for paperwork to read. It needs a bit of maintenance, otherwise looks good. openSUSE:Browse ‎(113,149 views) Popularity of this page tells that many visitors want overview. They either got lost, think there is something missing. Page should be named "Site map" and openSUSE:Browse should be redirect for compatibility with old-en.opensuse.org. Of course that there is much more material for thoughts below the first 10 pages. For instance: 11. Screenshots (112,501 views) should give very good impression as many are looking there to find out will they install it or not. 16. Wine ( http://en.opensuse.org/Wine ) with 96,705 views, indicates that many users are trying to run windows applications. Migration instructions are on position 160. http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:How_to_migrate_from_Windows which tells they are not source of information that leads to Wine page. http://en.opensuse.org/Application_equivalents is No. 119. so that is not the source of interest for Wine too. In one word, Windows users have very little help to migrate to openSUSE, and they are the largest group of computer users. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] License and copyright issues that openSUSE Weekly News team are coming up against now
by Satoru Matsumoto 21 Feb '11

21 Feb '11

Hello mates, we, openSUSE Weekly News (OWN) team are now facing license and copyright issues. There are some things which are not clear to us. Although most of the issues affect just OWN, I think those issues should be shared by whole project. Sascha, editor in chief of OWN have proposed that we should publish OWN under CC BY-SA 3.0 license [1]. @Sascha Please explain the reason why you think it is better to publish OWN under that license including: * What kind of benefits can we expect by applying CC BY-SA 3.0 license? * Why should we apply CC BY-SA 3.0 instead of other similar licenses? <Explanation from Sascha> The CC BY-SA helps us to give a clear License with clear Restriction. If we publishing under CC BY-SA or another CC License everyone can use our Weekly News, write anything from his content, and republish it. And BTW: Ubuntu and Fedora Newsletters are under CC BY-SA too. BTW2: But this is set on the bottom of every Site inside the normal Site. The GFDL which is used by openSUSE is a good License too. But it is needed to paste the whole License inside every new produce. If we're using CC then is a Link enough. </Explanation from Sascha> What are the points that are not yet clear enough? # Please do not confound copyright with license. * For contents on Wiki, license is clearly specified: "All content is made available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License version 1.2 ("GFDL") unless expressly indicated otherwise."[2] But how about contents on other *.opensuse.org sites? * Can we include contents, of which licenses aren't clearly mentioned, in OWN and publish under CC BY-SA 3.0 license? Or, should we "expressly indicate otherwise" the license of each article, even if the article is from news.o.o, lizards.o.o, lists.o.o and planet.o.o? (If we should do so, we have to "expressly indicate otherwise" the license of almost every article, because most of the articles now on OWN are from those sites or external news sites or private blogs. But if 90% of the contents are not under CC BY-SA or any other clear license, do we really need to publish OWN under that license?) * Which country's copyright law and guidelines should we refer to? <from Sascha> In Germany we have the "Citiation Law", who says, that everyone can paste from every written document into a new one. But it can't be used for the whole document, just for a citiation (Maybe 3 Paragraphs or so...) Exists any similar Law in other Countries too? </from Sascha> * Can current drawing (citation) from external sites or personal blogs be considered "legitimate"? (This is closely related to the above question.) - As far as I refer to Japanese copyright law and guidelines, our current style doesn't meet the requirements for "legitimate quotation". - For example, if AuthorA wrote an article titled "About B" on SiteC that says "I love cats. In particular, I love kittens, because they are so cute! But some don't like cats." ... -- Our current style: "SiteC/AutherA: About B" - "I love cats. In particular, I love kittens, because they are so cute! (...)" cannot be considered legitimate quotation. This style may be considered "reprint" and if there is a mention "all rights reserved" on the original SiteC, we are not allowed to reprint except otherwise specially permitted. --- And this means, that we cannot "reprint" articles from *.opensuse.org except Wiki (contents on Wiki are published under GFDL), because we can read the mention "© 2010 Novell, Inc. All rights reserved." on the bottom of each page on those sites. -- If we introduce the original article like: "SiteC/AutherA: About B" - In this article, AuthorA is making out "I love cats. In particular, I love kittens, because they are so cute! (...)". I totally agree. I think kitten is the most cutest animal on earth! -- this can be considered legitimate quotation. # Therefore, Ubuntu people don't just "copy & paste" parts of articles from external sites in their Weekly News. When they introduce an article from external site, they are going to write an introductory article by themselves and include citation from original article in it. * How can we solve these problems? - Can we ask Novell to apply CC BY-SA 3.0 license for every content on *.opensuse.org including Wiki? If that'll be OK, most of the problems will be solved. -- In that case, do we need Contributor License Agreement [3] to explain that all the contributed documents on *.opensuse.org will be published under CC BY-SA 3.0 license? -- But still, how we can deal with articles which are aggregated on planet.o.o wouldn't that clear. Will all the authors accept that their articles will be published under CC BY-SA 3.0 license? * How should we deal with articles from external sites in OWN? Alternatives may be: - We won't introduce articles from external sites anymore. - We will just introduce sites name, authors name, title and link URL with short comment (For example: "In this article, the author explains how to ...") by editors. - When we introduce an article from external site, editor will write an introductory article for that as Gertjan does for Forums section now. (I think this is the best option. But in order to do so, we need much more help.) We need all those points to be clear. Suggestions and proposals are welcome. [1] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/us/ [2] http://en.opensuse.org/Terms_of_site#Copyright_notice [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contributor_License_Agreement Best, -- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/opensuse/ _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-announce] Help the Project. Spread openSUSE DVDs!
by Carlos E. R. 20 Feb '11

20 Feb '11

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-02-18 17:08, Henne Vogelsang wrote: ... > To be able to do this comfortably the openSUSE Project, with the help of > its sponsors, produces special promotional DVDs that contain live > versions of both the KDE and GNOME desktops to try and which can also be > used to install the a complete system. Those DVDs are perfect for > introducing people to Linux and openSUSE. The openSUSE version included, > 11.3, has all the qualities a newcomer wants. As it is a DVD, you could also include a copy of the update repo. There is a lot of space... > The openSUSE Project - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1frEEACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UB9ACfT7Namypaym19BUZ7GMYnI2po i4sAoJQXCTpURladfwNBcGhl+Lu7ey16 =TdVO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] CC (english-us and others) versus GFDL
by pistazienfresser (see profile) 18 Feb '11

18 Feb '11

There are several different versions of the Creative Commons licenses (CC) that are not only translated but adapted to different legal systems (hopefully with success). So the 'probability' (to phrase it politely and cautious) that e. g. a German-Germany CC would be rated valid in relation between a German User/Consumer and (a) German legal person (or natural person/many natural persons working together) would be much higher than for a text under the only existing and not translated nor adapted only (US-)English version of the actual GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL). I assume that the according relations may exist with Japanese-Japan versions of the CC ... etc. And also at least the de and en Wikipedia are using (at least first and foremost - e. g. once there was dual licensing in the de.Wikipedia). I think more special informations are already posted in this mailing-list [in relation to the terms of the German wiki - if not all deleted in the time after that ...], are available via a common search engine, in a library of a bigger court or an university or just by paying some Euro/Dollar/... to a law related data-base (de: beck-online, juris, etc.) . Regards Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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