July 2010 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] Well done on 11.3 release
by Chris Jones 21 Jul '10

21 Jul '10

I just wanted to congratulate the openSUSE development team on a fine job for a fine release of openSUSE 11.3. It's great! I have not had any luck with previous releases of oS, but finally along came 11.3 and reignited my interest in the oS distro. Well done guys. With a rock-solid 2.6.34 kernel and a very (now) mature KDE4.4, it's super quick. Coming from a Ubuntu and Fedora Gnome background, I feel I am back to square one as the oS and KDE way of doing things is very different from what I'm used to. But I'm willing to give it another shot as openSUSE 11.3 remains my current distro of choice. Cheers and congrats. -- Chris Jones Freelance Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web W: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com E: <chrisjones(a)comcen.com.au> or <ubuntu_cj(a)comcen.com.au> Fedora Design Suite Developer and Co-Maintainer E: <foxmulder881(a)fedoraproject.org> GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) keys.gnupg.net KeyID: 769A8262 Public Key Fingerprint: 94D0 BFAE 87A5 376E FCB2 CEBD C717 CD87 769A 8262 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Seeking MirrorBrain/distribution folks responsible for 11.3
by R. Tyler Ballance 21 Jul '10

21 Jul '10

I am aching to write a blog post[1] about "what it takes" to distribute a release like 11.3, focused around MirrorBrain and openSUSE's use of it along with "conventional" methods for distribution for large files (Akamai, BitTorrent). I'm wondering if the responsible parties would stand up and be recognized :) Hoping a few questions won't be too invasive :) Cheers, -R. Tyler Ballance -------------------------------------- GitHub: http://github.com/rtyler Twitter: http://twitter.com/agentdero -------------------------------------- [1] I write for http://www.omgsuse.com

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[opensuse-project] Re: openSUSE versioning scheme (was Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Can we please get ARM builds for 11.3+1?)
by Michael Loeffler 20 Jul '10

20 Jul '10

On Tuesday 06 July 2010 15:41:43 Peter Nikolic wrote: > On Tuesday 06 Jul 2010 12:37:58 Jakub Rusinek wrote: > > Dnia 06-07-2010 o 13:34:25 Stephan Kulow <coolo(a)novell.com> napisał(a): > > > Am Dienstag 06 Juli 2010 schrieb Jakub Rusinek: > > >> Dnia 06-07-2010 o 11:12:13 Martin Schlander > > >> <martin.schlander(a)gmail.com> > > >> > > >> napisał(a): > > >> > Mandag den 5. juli 2010 17:34:35 skrev Jakub Rusinek: > > >> >> Ubuntu does their numbering job well. > > >> > > > >> > In my experience noone intuitively understands the Ubuntu versioning > > >> > scheme - > > >> > it always needs to be explained. > > >> > > > >> > But at least there _is_ a reasonably good explanation for it :-) > > >> > > >> Well, nobody says openSUSE should follow their numbering guidelines ;) > > >> . Whether they prefer year written as two digits or not, it's their > > >> choice. > > >> I'd personally vote for eg. 2010.1/2010.2, where the year represents > > >> year > > >> of the release and number after the point represents number of release > > >> that year. > > >> > > >> So - 2010.1 would be first release in 2010, 2010.2 would be second, > > >> 2011.1 > > >> would be first in 2011 etc. > > > > > > Try to say "KDE 4.4.4 won't be ready for 2010.1, but it's in 2011.1" > > > three > > > times quickly. > > > > Then it's your turn to work out another solution ;) . > > > > After criticizing my invention, Ubuntu's way seems pretty resonable. > > Year.month. > > What exactly is wrong with the current system > IS this yet another change for the sake of change or does someone have a > rock solid reason for changing what seems to work very well for Opensuse > note We are NOT Ubuntu we are NOT Fedora we are NOT Debian . > > My vote is we stay exactly as we are now and don't wreak a system that > works just because someone fancies mucking things up for something to do / > get their name mentioned .. +1, I still don't see what's wrong with the current scheme nor real benefits from a new scheme. M > > > There is a saying don't fix what ain't broken or dow yow fix what ay > bosted > > > Pete > > > > -- > Powered by openSUSE 11.2 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.30-rc6-git3-4-default > KDE: 4.2.86 (KDE 4.2.86 (KDE 4.3 >= 20090514)) "release 1" > 14:36 up 3 days 16:20, 4 users, load average: 1.98, 1.84, 1.51 > -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] #opensuse-es channel
by Javier Llorente 18 Jul '10

18 Jul '10

Hello listmates, #opensuse-es channel's topic says that openSUSE 11.2 is the latest release. Furthermore, the URL for this channel is wrong. It has been like this for a long time. Could anyone with the appropriate privileges change it? Thanks, -- Javier Llorente

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE is hard to say and write. Rename it.
by Otso 14 Jul '10

14 Jul '10

Hello, This issue shouldn't be unfamiliar to people following this mailing list. Even enthusiasts on this list tend to shorten openSUSE to oS, OS, os or plain suse. I do not know how valuable openSUSE is as a brand name, or how affected Novell is with it, but please consider these points before trashing the idea of renaming: 1) openSUSE is pain to pronounce understandably for non-native english speakers. I experienced this first time lately when trying to explain what distro I'm using to an american person face-to-face. I had thought I had perfect pronouncication. Even for native speakers, it's a mouthful. 2) It's even worse to write. SMS'ing someone to install Gentoo is easier than telling them to get openSUSE. Same applies to fast IRC/MSN/Facebook etc chattings, and BBS's + chans. It's a pain. 3) Plain SUSE doesn't exist. There's SLED/SLES, and then there's openSUSE. Reverting back to good old SUSE is thus an option. Make it officially something like SUSE Linux Community Edition (SLiCE... just came up with that one btw!) 4) Does it actually need an obvious referrer to rest of SUSE family? Fedora doesn't have referrer to RedHat (aside fedora being a hat, which isn't obvious for ~5 billion humans). We could just shorten it to Opsus, Osus, Suso or something similar. New shorter name from scratch, with some referrer to origins? Why not. 5) As long as it's easy to say, write, remember and isn't insulting in any language, it'll also be globally accessible, searchable and mentionable with a lot less hassle. Take it easy, Otso -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Mandriva still kicking
by DenverD 14 Jul '10

14 Jul '10

recent rumors were that Mandriva was broke and in danger of folding.. this 7 July 2010 Mandriva press release has a different view and outlines the group "is a technological pioneer offering the sole independent Linux distribution on the European market." see: 'Mandriva is alive! | TuxRadar Linux' (http://www.tuxradar.com/content/mandriva-alive) i offer it here as a potential discussion on how oS might (or maybe should/should not) play in helping the EU (and most all other governmental bodies) break the current lock-in to proprietary software but *not* settle on _one_ name brand open source replacement (thereby risking jumping from one master to another).. and, just mention that we (in openSUSE) might do ourselves smart by prodding (if that is possible) suse.de to learn what we might do to better position oS/SLE_ to have a huge slice of that europa pie/apple strudel.. [final: in the past month there have been posts here (? or in the forum) about how "SUSE" outta get busy in Brazil because the gov there has money to spend on alternative open source solutions.. i offer these thoughts as _possible_ ideas to consider while the strategy forward remains to be finalized..] DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] central information point
by jdd 14 Jul '10

14 Jul '10

Hello, I'm very concerned by the fact that openSUSE decision making is now spread on many different supports: many mailing lists, news groups, forums, wiki, news.opensuse.org, various blogs. This is *NOT* a good way to go. Anybody should be aware of the decision making way in time to get involved and the result should be largely spread after the decision is made on a way anybody can be aware of. We *have* a way to do this, it's the opensuse-announce list. So any discussion that seem to lend to a decision should be annouced in this list and any way the result is publicized annonced there also. And, of course, any permanent change should be written down in the wiki and nowhere else of course this is only my own opinion :-) thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-support-the-Linux-Documentation-Project/372… http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-fan-page-of-Claire-Dodin/106485119372062?… -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Some thoughts on "Change in openSUSE Membership handling"
by Satoru Matsumoto 14 Jul '10

14 Jul '10

As announced on news.o.o, openSUSE Membership handling seems to be changed. http://news.opensuse.org/2010/07/12/change-in-opensuse-membership-handling/ First of all, I'd like to thank all the persons who are involved in this improvement. However, I have some questions and proposals on this topic. Questions: * Where and when this topic was discussed ? Can anyone tell me where I can read the minutes or transcripts on this topic ? * Basically, I don't like closed and opaque (not transparent) ways. Every decision making process should be as open and transparent as possible, as mentioned in Guiding Principles. If some closed discussions are needed, there should be acceptable reasons and those reasons should clearly explained. So the question is, why membership-officials(a)opensuse.org have to be a closed mailing list ? I know there's a mention '... so the team can discuss privately applications that might require a debate', but I'd like to know why the applications should be *privately* discussed rather than publicly discussed. * There's a mention 'The officials team (...) can be reached on email address membership-officials(a)opensuse.org ...' in the announcement on news.o.o, but on the other hand, there's a mention 'mailing list: membership-officials(a)opensuse.org. This is a closed mailing list ...' in 'openSUSE:Membership officials' page. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Membership_officials So, the question is, can everyone send an email to membership-officials(a)opensuse.org ? Proposals: * The approval criteria on "openSUSE:Members" page should be much more explained in detail. ATM, what kind of contributions are taken into consideration are illustrated, but the length and frequency of contributions which are considered 'continued contribution' are not explained at all. http://wiki.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members 3 months are just enough ? Or, at least 1 year is needed ? Or, frequency is more important than time length ? - If those are clearly explained, I think wasted applications and unnecessary debates can be reduced. * As I mentioned above, I hope all decision making process would be as open and transparent as possible, but if you think keeping membership-officials(a)opensuse.org mailing list closed is reasonable enough, the reason why the application is rejected should be clearly explained at least to the applicant when the application is rejected. And there should be a way for such rejected applicants to bring a challenge, when they can't go along with the decision. (Maybe Board can or expected to handle and solve such challenges.) * This new openSUSE Membership handling process will certainly reduce the burden of Board. However, the problem 'how we can confirm the contributions which cannot be read in English' still remains pending. So I'd like to ask you to read my previous post to another thread once again. http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2010-07/msg00208.html * I've also posted other opinions on Membership to another thread, in which I proposed another approach for Membership application process. http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2010-07/msg00209.html If we expect the Members to be not only 'specifically distinguished contributors who *once brought* a continued and substantial contribution to the openSUSE project', but also *currently active* contributors, some review precess for the existing Members might be needed. Best, -- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/opensuse/ _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] The new wiki search plain sucks
by Stephan Kleine 13 Jul '10

13 Jul '10

Hi guys, I don't know who decided on where the new wikis search searches and I don't care but the current way just sucks. E.g. go to the wiki and try to find the former "How to install the NVIDIA drivers" article as shown at http://old-en.opensuse.org/NVIDIA_drivers E.g. search for "nvidia" and note the first article shown there is something about compiz without the proper one being in sight. I've been told that most look for information about the project but I dare to differ cause most ppl - IMHO - look for solutions. If you think that the most important stuff is to offer information about the project then please split it up into 2 wikis: 1. where it is now about the project 2. at wiki.opensuse.org (even more naturally) and make that the "We have the answers" for your "I need help" questions". (Note, again, I'm not arguing to necessarily split it up but about having a search box (in the upper right corner) that actually is able to find some stuff.) My point simply is if someone bothers to search the wiki it certainly wont help to hide it behind some "just login and define your search preferences" thingy. And it certainly wont help if some searchbox on some subpage will show the proper stuff. regards, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-marketing] final preperation of the openSUSE 11.3 release
by Bryen M. Yunashko 13 Jul '10

13 Jul '10

On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 08:55 -0400, Gabriel Pagan wrote: > Are there any plans to try and take over the Twitter timeline and get > #opensuse as a trending topic at that time? > Let's bring this up at today's Marketing Team meeting at 15:00 UTC which is in about two hours from now. Thanks, Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Marketing Team lead > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Michael Loeffler <michl(a)novell.com> wrote: > > > > Moin, > > > > as openSUSE release is this Thursday 1200 UTC (2pm CEST, 8am EST, 5am MDT) I > > suggest we should all be on #opensuse-project at Freenode on Thursday to > > coordinate the release and relating stuff. As far as I remember this worked > > out pretty well with the last release. > > > > Thank you all already for the very good preparation of the launch I've seen so > > far. > > > > Best > > Michael > > > > Some marketing related todo's are here: > > http://old-en.opensuse.org/Marketing/Team/11_3_Launch > > > > -- > > Michael Löffler, Product Management > > SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help(a)opensuse.org > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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