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[opensuse-project] Next meeting for the Greek openSUSE Community
by Kostas Koudaras 18 Nov '10

18 Nov '10

We finally decided that the next meeting of our community will take place at Friday 19/11 at 20:00 UTC (22:00 Greek time) on IRC at Freenode #opensuse-el We will discuss among other things about the future of our community, the organization of teams about OBS,Wiki,a translators team and an edu LI-F-E team. We will also discuss about the targets that we want to succeed as a local community and put some dead-lines on them. The meeting will be in Greek language and its an open meeting to everybody. Kostas 'warlordfff' Koudaras -- http://opensuse.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://warlordfff.tk me I am not me ------- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens I gave exams for God , but I failed in miracles -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Link Exchange Request
by hikae electronics 13 Nov '10

13 Nov '10

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Re: [opensuse-project] What's the latest on the strategy discussion?
by Alin Marin Elena 12 Nov '10

12 Nov '10

Pascal, personally I have no frustrations related to opensuse... I would be an hypocrite to say opensuse does not fulfil my needs or fulfils them 100%. The role, I agree minimal, that I have at the moment it is a personal choice, I do not want to be anything I cannot afford to be. My post wanted to be an opener for a serious discussion on the strategy of opensuse. Mainly, a clear separation between feature decision and feature execution. I can give you specifically examples when this separation failed... but I leave it at a general level, as we are not in a witch hunting contest. Meritocracy and professionalism are vague concepts, big words in some philosophical contexts, in practise I am afraid are difficult to define, except environments which are orthogonal with the opensource one. All projects that want to be open, in my opinion should erase from their dictionaries these two... Alin On Fri 12 Nov 2010 00:55:07 you wrote: > On 2010-11-09 11:25:02 (+0000), Alin Marin Elena <alinm.elena(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > If we try to differentiate ourselves from other linux distros, in my > > opinion, we should try to be a real community distro... > > A place where ideas are assest independent of whom emanetes them... > > and where coders, packagers lend their skills to the community and > > they are not the drivers of what goes in... > > That sounds quite a bit offensive. > What is your gripe here ? You feel underrepresented because you're not a > packager ? > > "What goes in" seems to specifically target the distribution. > Well, a distribution is mostly a set of packages, where packaging > represents 80-90% of the work that has to be done to create it in the > first place. > (then you have testers/reporters, documentation, translations, etc..., > of course -- I'd be the last to tone down any contribution, whatever > domain it is) > And in that perspective, the packagers are doing the packaging and, > hence, are influencing what goes into the distro. > (the final decision is with Coolo though, luckily :)) > > On a side note, I don't think you will find any other Linux distribution > project where it is as easy to get a packager do the work for you. > It has been numerous times where people have come around on #packman, on > #suse, on #opensuse-buildservice, or on mailing-lists, have asked > whether someone could take care of packaging X or Y, and it was done > swiftly. > > > A place where your idea is rubbish cause you never commited code, you > > never packaged something... > > I don't understand why you sound so frustrated. > Where did that happen ? > > We definitely are a group of people who value contributions, whatever > contribution it is, be it packaging, writing software, marketing, > serving on the board, running the elections, writing blog posts, > artwork, writing documentation, making translations, helping people out > on mailing-lists, forums and IRC, etc etc etc ... > > And we are very, _very_ unbureaucratic compared to most other major > distributions, that's for sure. > > But a FOSS project like this one should and will remain a meritocracy. > Anything else is doomed to fail, because that is one of the main reasons > why people actually spend their free time for 0 bucks on something like > this. > > You do great stuff (in whatever domain), you spend a lot of energy and > time, you deserve credit. It's that simple really. And the complete > opposite of corporate environments ;) > > cheers -- I force myself to contradict myself in order to avoid conforming to my own taste. -- Marcel Duchamp Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA Advanced Molecular Simulation Research Laboratory School of Physics, University College Dublin ---- Ardionsamblú Móilíneach Saotharlann Taighde Scoil na Fisice, An Coláiste Ollscoile, Baile Átha Cliath ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address: Room 318, UCD Engineering and Material Science Centre University College Dublin Belfield, Dublin 4, Ireland ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://alin.elenaworld.net alin.elena(a)ucdconnect.ie, alinm.elena(a)gmail.com ______________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] /me is leaving
by Michael Loeffler 12 Nov '10

12 Nov '10

Moin, after 7 years with SUSE and Novell I've chosen to change something in my life - and decided to accept a new job and will lay down my duties in the openSUSE project. I've been with the openSUSE project already prior to its launch in August 2005 and experienced a number of highs and lows. Overall the project has been shaping up nicely, we reached a lot of our goals and the just passed openSUSE conference reflects this pretty well in my opinion. Just to stop any rumours - I leave Novell because I found a new job in the trade show management area close to Nuremberg. Trade show management is where my expertise is and where I worked prior to coming to openSUSE. While I enjoyed the work at openSUSE, organizing the openSUSE conference meant doing what I really love and my new job will give me many more conferences and trade shows to plan and organise. As I will leave Novell before the end of December the project needs a new openSUSE chairman who should serve until the openSUSE foundation is created. Best wishes to the openSUSE project and the people behind it. I had a lot of fun over the past 7 years, met numerous outstanding people and learned a lot which will help me in my future life. Best Michael -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Strategy: the third and fourth part of the trilogy!
by Jos Poortvliet 09 Nov '10

09 Nov '10

Hi all, The last week we again received over 100 comments on the first and second part of our strategy. A few refinements came in on our description of our target users, but most of the input was on the second part about what we offer. We have again incorporated all the comments into the document and a new iteration can be found on co-ment [1]. And now, the third piece of text has been added: What does openSUSE not do? [1] Besides this, we added some 'background information' to the strategy, including ideas on our competition, what openSUSE might gain and loose from this strategy and how openSUSE should look like in 2 years from now. Like with "Target Users" and "What does openSUSE offer it's users" we would really appreciate it if you could give your input on co-ment but we will accept any kind of input on any channel we can follow. So if co-ment isn't your thing, feel free to comment below this post, on the forums or anywhere else. For those new to co-ment [2] - it is a pretty awesome commenting tool under the GNU Affero GPL [3]. Giving your input on co-ment will make the discussion a bit more structured and easier for everyone to follow. How-to: select some text you want to comment on (a word, a few words, a sentence) and choose the little yellow + sign on the top-left of the page to add your comment. If you click a colored section of the text, you can see the comments which have been made to that section it and add your own voice to the discussion. Easy peasy! For reference find the openSUSE Strategy portal on the wiki [4]. Have fun! Greetings, Your strategy team [1] https://lite.co-ment.com/text/lNPCgzeGHdV/view/ [2] http://www.co-ment.com/about/ [3] http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/agpl-3.0.html [4] http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Strategy

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[opensuse-project] (Fwd) Call for talks for the FOSDEM 2011 distributions miniconference
by Henne Vogelsang 08 Nov '10

08 Nov '10

Hey, please note this CfP for the FOSDEM cross-distribution miniconference! This is the perfect place to push cross-distro initiatives. Henne -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Dist2011] Call for talks for the FOSDEM 2011 distributions miniconference Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 16:03:50 +0100 From: Wouter Verhelst <wouter(a)debian.org> Organization: The Debian Project, http://www.debian.org/ To: dist2011(a)lists.fosdem.org, fosdem(a)lists.fosdem.org Hi, [a somewhat informal call for talks has preceded this one; this CfT does not change anything that was said there, but does add some information] This is the official call for talks for the FOSDEM 2011 distribution miniconference. Talks for this miniconference should have a subject matter that is relevant for distribution developers; for example, they could be about methods for packaging software, the organization and workflow of distributions, configuration management systems as relevant to distribution maintainers, etc. An affiliation with a specific distribution is not a requirement for a speaker. As was the case last year, during the coming edition the cross-distribution developer's room will have two rooms for two days. Interested speakers should send a proposal to the dist2011(a)lists.fosdem.org mailinglist. A proposal must include: - The title of the talk, - A short abstract, - The name of the speaker, - A short bio of the speaker And this no later than january 1st, 2011. Note that a paper is not a requirement. If there are more proposals than available time slots, talks will be alotted after discussion among representatives of the various distributions on the dist2011 mailinglist. Distributions are kindly invited to forward this call for talks to their relevant mailinglists. Additionally, we would welcome if distributions who will participate in the miniconference will let their intentions known on the mailinglist, so we can announce that at the proper time. Regards, -- The biometric identification system at the gates of the CIA headquarters works because there's a guard with a large gun making sure no one is trying to fool the system. http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/01/biometrics.html _______________________________________________ Dist2011 mailing list Dist2011(a)lists.fosdem.org http://lists.fosdem.org/mailman/listinfo/dist2011 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] What's the latest on the strategy discussion?
by Richard Creighton 08 Nov '10

08 Nov '10

On 2010-11-05 Jos offered the following: > On 2010-11-05 Per wrote: > > I guess Joos > > one jos, two joos? ;-) > > > is kinda running it now, but are we getting closer to > > getting it finalized? > > The Fedora Project's mission is to lead the advancement of free and open > source software and content as a collaborative community. > > I think I like their mission and it's also pretty correct - so we > brainstormed on what would fit openSUSE. Suggestions are very welcome, we > currently have: > > The openSUSE project's mission is to unlock the posibilities of computers > to users around the globe using the power and flexibility of Linux. > > but it's far from perfect. Somehow it should mention we focus on > flexibility and power ("make things as simple as possible but no > simpler"), it should be ambitious (eg worldwide blabla), focussed on > end-users etc - the requirements are clear as they come from the rest of > the strategy discusion. But now, how to phrase it in one sentence? > > /me bangs his head against the wall again How about The openSUSE project's mission is to unlock the possibilities of computers to all users around the globe using the power and flexibility of Linux and other Community driven and supported Open Source Software. Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Strategy sucks
by Andreas Jaeger 07 Nov '10

07 Nov '10

Hi all, Over the last weeks there has been a lot of disussion, both internally and externally, about the strategies which have been proposed. However, we also missed a lot of voices from our community. We take responsibility for leaving many of you behind by focusing on a very corporate-management solution to the initial question which prompted this process. A question we think still is relevant: The identity of openSUSE both as a Community and as a Project. Initially our goal was to answer: “Who is openSUSE and what does it (want to) do?” prompted by the discussion about the default desktop at the openSUSE conference last year. In five years the openSUSE project has evolved from a fully company-driven project to a communty project where everybody can contribute. This has brought uncertainty and a lack of direction. The current lack of a clear ‘story behind it all’ is hampering our ability to establish a common identity and sense of security. From a marketing point of view, it becomes an uphill battle… Throughout the process, we consulted some people and the discussion about a strategy started with the goal to solve this issue. However, many feel that ‘strategy’ and the approach to find one is not fitting our community. We lost most of you in the second paragraph of the strategy pages on the wiki – too much talk. We would like to go back to the start and focus on describing who we are, as a community, instead of finding new ways to go. The input you all have given us by mail, forums, IRC and in person was valuable and we will use that. So that is what we will do: * Highlight the story behind openSUSE * Identify what users we target and illustrate what we offer to them, * Connect it with the issues that matter most to our community And then we will document this story, image, direction, strategy – or however your call it ;) . From you all – we will continue to seek your input on it once we post it. By mail, forum, IRC or in person – again. Without your help it won’t be much, so please think about that! Greetings, Your strategy team P.S. Also posted at http://news.opensuse.org/2010/09/03/strategy-sucks/ -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj(a){novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Gramps
by Jürgen Heiler 04 Nov '10

04 Nov '10

Hi, is anybody working on packages for the 3.2.4 version of Gramps? It would be very nice. Kind regards Jürgen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Chemnitzer Linux-Tage
by Jos Poortvliet 02 Nov '10

02 Nov '10

Hey all, About a week after our 11.4 release there will be the Chemnitzer Linux-Tage. Seems like a good place to have a Launch Party and create some buzz around the 11.4 release. Gnokii has promised to organize a welcome party on friday if enough people come. At the confernece (second largest in Germany, after LinuxTag Berlin) there will be a special Linux Beginners track and there is plenty of room for other openSUSE talks and workshops as well. So who can go and talk on OBS, SUSE Studio, Kiwi and our other awesome technologies? Maybe do a OBS packaging workshop aimed at software developers who want to get their software out to users on many distro's? Do a SUSE Studio workshop for admins who need their own powerful resque Live USB? Of course there will be a booth as well - there is a local Chemnitz team taking care of that so there is a spot to hang around ;-) So anyone who has no release party planned in North-East Germany/Czech/Polland yet, book a trip to Chemnitz ;-) Cheers, Jos

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