November 2010 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] What's the latest on the strategy discussion?
by Per Jessen 21 Dec '10

21 Dec '10

I guess Joos is kinda running it now, but are we getting closer to getting it finalized? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE LTS
by Pascal Bleser 14 Dec '10

14 Dec '10

Oh yeah, here is *that* topic again ;) (and make sure to read Greg's post about Tumbleweed as well, as it is a similar kind of project, even though they are diametrically opposed ;D) Wolfgang Rosenauer (our local firefox/mozilla hero) made an interesting post on his blog, in case you're not following http://planet.opensuse.org (shame on you!): http://www.rosenauer.org/blog/2010/11/30/community-powered-long-term-suppor… Stop here. Please read that post. Done? OK, here are my 0.02EUR to that. The idea of an "openSUSE LTS" and/or "openSLES" aren't new indeed, and I suppose that most can remember the discussions around it some time ago. And from here on, by "LTS", I (and Wolfgang) mean "longer than 18 months" ;) There are basically two options on how to achieve that, from a technical perspective: 1) an LTS based on openSUSE 2) a rebranded SLES With "openSUSE LTS", the idea is, as Wolfgang already explained in his blog post, to pick up an openSUSE release when Novell (and the community) stops supporting it, when it goes EOL, which is after 18 months as of now. The effort can be a bit daunting, as it means keeping track of security vulnerabilities, backport fixes for those, or possibly upgrade to a newer version when backporting is too much work (e.g. Firefox). That's pretty much what is being done by the SUSE Security team and us (the community) during the lifetime of a release. But for longer and, hence, it is also more work (the older the packages, the more work it is to backport). The infrastructure provided on build.opensuse.org would certainly come in very handy. Especially when it'll have patch support :) "openSLES" is a totally different beast, as it means using the source packages of a SLES release and rebrand them. The obvious advantage is that it would most presumably be less work, as the hard work will already have been done by the Security team and the staff at Novell that does the SLES maintenance. But it would also be a rogue project: Novell cannot legally prevent anyone from doing just that as, albeit you do need a subscription to have access to them, the updates are also available as source packages. Nevertheless, it is not something Novell would like to see happening as they (or at least a few people I've talked to about it) believe it could be hurting their SLES business. While I don't personally share that opinion, and before 100 people comment negatively on this, it is a *fact* that no one can give any assurance or hard proof that it will not hurt the SLES business. Yes, we all know about CentOS, and a few know a few things about CentOS and Redhat I won't be citing in public (but let's say that some people who might or might not be working for Redhat have or haven't said that they believe that CentOS is effectively helping them spreading RHEL, but only off the record. or not.). But there are no hard facts or numbers to give any proof or guarantee that it would be the same with an "openSLES". And, personally, the last thing I'd want is people from Novell/SUSE losing their job because of that. Furthermore, Novell would clearly not be supportive of such a move, and it's not sure whether we would be able to use resources such as build.o.o for it. Long story short, I personally believe that the only viable option is "openSUSE LTS", but it does bring some technical challenges which require a certain number of committed contributors working on the maintenance. I really concur with Wolfgang's idea/proposal to start off with a server-oriented subset/core of openSUSE and try to keep that maintained for half a year or more, and learn from that experience to see whether we can realistically take on doing that for a longer period of time. Ideas, (constructive) criticism? :) (and thanks for reading so far, I know my mails are way too long) cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser(a)opensuse.org> /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM XI: 5 + 6 Feb 2011, http://fosdem.org

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[opensuse-project] on artwork
by Alin Marin Elena 10 Dec '10

10 Dec '10

Hi there, I have a macbook pro aluminium crap on which I run opensuse... Due to my usage the poor thing it is exposed to scratches... my wrist watch mainly... As I have no intention of getting rid of the mac, the watch or the habit, I decided to get a skin to protect the mac... This is where I got an idea... It seems that there are plenty of websites that offer the possibility to skin your laptop. I was wondering if at project level we can "associate" in a way with one of them... The project provides official artwork to skin the device, we the supporters can buy it, for each bought the project gets back few shekels... What do you think about? would be a good way to increase visibility of the project and maybe get some money for it too. regards, Alin -- I force myself to contradict myself in order to avoid conforming to my own taste. -- Marcel Duchamp Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA Advanced Molecular Simulation Research Laboratory School of Physics, University College Dublin ---- Ardionsamblú Móilíneach Saotharlann Taighde Scoil na Fisice, An Coláiste Ollscoile, Baile Átha Cliath ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address: Room 318, UCD Engineering and Material Science Centre University College Dublin Belfield, Dublin 4, Ireland ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://alin.elenaworld.net alin.elena(a)ucdconnect.ie, alinm.elena(a)gmail.com ______________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] news.o.o team
by Jos Poortvliet 09 Dec '10

09 Dec '10

Hi all! I bet most of you have heard of this website, news.opensuse.org. Sometimes people post random vaguely openSUSE-related stuff there. Now I thought it would be fun to create a team around that - work a bit more structured :D People with the rights to post there now post whatever they like, whenever they like. Not that that is always a bad thing, but having a little more oversight to guarantee quality and timing would be good (eg 3 articles on one day then nothing for 3 days sucks; and sometimes there is some Germanglish in there too). It ain't hard - if you are currently writing there every now and then you want to be on the team. If you are willing and able to edit posts every now and then - you want to be on the team. If you want to WRITE for news, you don't HAVE to be on the team - you can just submit stuff and the editors will edit and publish it. So who's up for this? And I expect AJ and Henne at the very least to volunteer, Sascha, you too :D I'm going for everyone who has contributed a lot of stories to News.o.o to be on the team. Or those who can and want to write... So Helen? You! Cheers, Jos

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[opensuse-project] Announcing openSUSE Tumbleweed project
by Greg KH 08 Dec '10

08 Dec '10

Hi all, There's been many discussions over the past years about a "rolling update" version of openSUSE on lots of different mailing lists and in person a different conferences. So the time now is to stop talking about it, and actually trying to do it :) So, I'd like to propose "openSUSE Tumbleweed" a repo that is a rolling updated version of openSUSE containing the latest "stable" versions of packages for people to use. To help clear up any questions about this, here are some answers to ones that I have heard a lot recently when discussing this: Q: How does this differ from Factory and the recently announced Factory-Tested? A: Factory always contains the bleeding edge versions of our packages that the maintainers have created. Sometimes these packages don't work well together and cause the machine to fail to boot (Hence the need for Factory-Tested). Tumbleweed will contain "stable" versions of these latest packages that have been deemed to "work" properly. A good example of how Tumbleweed is different from Factory would be to look at the kernel package today in Factory. It is 2.6.37-rc as the goal is to have the final 2.6.37 release in the next 11.4 release. But, it is still under active development and not recommended for some people who don't like reporting kernel bugs. For this reason, Tumbleweed would track the stable kernel releases, in this case, it would stay at 2.6.36 until the upstream kernel is released in a "stable" format. Q: What types of packages would be updated in Tumbleweed? A: What do you want to see updated? Seriously, this is something that anyone can request their packages to be updated. We will rely on the maintainers of the packages to be the ones determining the "stable" versions to be pushed into Tumbleweed. This can help with projects that don't always line up their release dates with existing openSUSE releases. If (for example) GNOME 3.0 comes out and is deemed "stable" 1 month after a openSUSE happens, users would not have to wait 6 more months to use it in a semi-stable form. Q: But wait, can't you do this today on your own by just adding a bunch of different repos to zypper and relying on that? A: Yes, you can, but if my zypper repo list is any example, that gets unwieldy (I seem to average about 12 per machine), and we don't want to have every user be forced to do this on their own. Tumbleweed would provide a single place for users that want to be on the semi-bleeding edge of packages, to have it all in one place. I'd like to do this "for real" after 11.4 is out, just due to the amount of time it will take to get the workflow down properly, and due to some other time constraints on my plate at the moment. I anticipate trying this out to start with based on 11.3 but I don't guarantee it all working properly right at the moment. So, any thoughts, ideas, objections? thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Some figures about the bug day
by Vincent Untz 02 Dec '10

02 Dec '10

Hey, I just wanted to share a few figures from the bug day that happened last Saturday, and get feedback about it. As a reminder, the topic of this bug day was the zombie bugs, that we wanted to either close or move to 11.3/11.4. Figures ======= Open bugs in: 10.2 10.3 11.0 Before: 40 162 526 After: 15 89 360 (note that you might get different figures if you look for the figures yourself: for some reasons, some bugs are private :/) At least 10 people participated (and I would think the right number is more like 15), as far as I can tell by a quick look at my (now incomplete) IRC log. Thanks to all of them! We had a few more people joining #opensuse-bugs (which used to be empty). Some already left it, but you're welcome to stay on that channel :-) Feedback ======== IMHO, this went quite well and we made good progress. Some people already suggested to do another bug day next week! I don't think it was decided yet, though. To the developers: you probably got bug mails this week-end :-) Was there any big mistake that was done? Are you happy with the way it went? To participants, and potential participants: - I'd love to hear from people here if the fact that it was on a Saturday helped you or made it harder for you to participate. - also, we produced only a small documentation [1] for this bug day. Is there anything that we should add to this doc? - anything else we could improve? Thanks, [1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Bug_Day Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Please note...
by Andreas Jaeger 02 Dec '10

02 Dec '10

I just published the following at http://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/11/22/please-note/: I’m going on parental leave from December 14th to February 13th, 2011. My son was born in January and now it’s my time to help a bit more out at home. My wife has many plans for me and I have some myself as well including changing diapers, some work at the house, celebrating christmas, showing off our kids to their grandparents, aunts and uncles, getting my son settled in the daycare, building a snow man… I hope some days of vacation will be in there as well so that I can be refreshed again when I return back to the Novell office to continue working for openSUSE. Right now, I try to find some people that take over some of my responsibilities. I will take care that everything I do which is important will be handled during the time, e.g. even better reaction to PromoDVD shipping – and silently hope that after the parental everything works far better without me than right now ;) So, you all have a short break from me. I don’t know how much time I’ll spend online but I know I will not be in the office and don’t want to be fully engaged during my leave. I’m looking forward to both the parental leave and also to return – and will read regularly the openSUSE planet to see what’s happening! During my absence, Jacqueline Junghanns will take over and handle most of my responsibilities. Some of you might know Jacqueline from the openSUSE conferences which she helped to organize. I hand over the virtual mikrophone to Jacqueline to introduce herself: Jacqueline Jacqueline “Hi, my name is Jacqueline Junghanns and I can say that I am a SUSE dinosaur as I had my ten year anniversary just a couple of weeks ago and I do not plan to extinct any time soon ;) . I am very much looking forward to dive into the openSUSE project because I already got the chance to help out “backstage” and I am glad about this new opportunity. During my ten years I gathered experience in various areas such as hardware certification and right now as a team assistant for OPS.” Sending of PromoDVDs One thing I have handled in the past, is sending out of PromoDVDs and other promotional material for events. We do have a good stock of openSUSE 11.3 DVDs available and happily send them out for events. Please start using the address promodvds(a)opensuse.org to request them – and right now Jacqueline and myself will answer, later only Jacqueline. -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj(a){novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Announcing openSUSE Tumbleweed project
by Greg KH 30 Nov '10

30 Nov '10

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 04:26:02PM -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote: > My concern is more that Packman does not support Factory at all to my > knowledge. Not even the milestones and RCs. Take that up with the Packman developers, nothing we can do about this. > So Tumbleweed would to be more like a released product from this perspective > than like a more stable version of factory. No, not at all, that's not what it will be. > Is it worth discussing tumbleweed sticking to a openSUSE released kernel? No. > I assume the kernel is the biggest concern for these issues. For the closed source drivers, yes. But again, this isn't anything we can control or should be concerned with. If you are concerned with it, please take it up with the Packman developers. good luck, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Today is a Great day for the Greek Community
by Kostas Koudaras 30 Nov '10

30 Nov '10

The Greek openSUSE Team is pleased to inform you that the translation of openSUSE Weekly News issue 150 is a fact, take a look: http://el.opensuse.org/Weekly_news Today is a Great day for the Greek Community, today after two meetings we made to show all (including ourselves) that we were not just big fat words and that we can make things happen as a team that is bigger than 3 or 4 people. We know we are late, we were not in a hurry, we wanted it done correctly. We made it and we are really proud of it. When we started creating the Greek community many people told us that it would end up a great failure. Today we say to them: -You Are Wrong. We know we have road ahead of us, but Every great journey must start with one small step. Kostas 'Warlordfff' Koudaras -- http://opensuse.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://warlordfff.tk me I am not me ------- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens I gave exams for God , but I failed in miracles -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] multimedia team proposal
by Dave Plater 30 Nov '10

30 Nov '10

Hi, I sent out a proposal for a multimedia team to factory, packaging and multimedia lists and I think I overlooked the most important one - this list. Anyway we have the intention for a multimedia wiki page and a few interested users, one a developer of some of the apps we have in the two main multimedia devel projects and one that's focused on music production who is interested in creating a wiki focused on music production using openSUSE. I'm an active maintainer of multimedia apps and libs. Any suggestions, guidance or participation will be welcomed. Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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