August 2009 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] Decision made - openFATE feature 306967, KDE default
by Michael Loeffler 07 Sep '09

07 Sep '09

Hi all, the topic of a "default desktop" was raised in July as a feature[1] in our openFATE feature tracking system by a community member, and it was a subject of a lively debate within openFATE and on the openSUSE Project mailing list[2]. The default desktop is an issue that many openSUSE users and contributors are passionate about. After consideration of the project discussion I discussed the feature request further with the openSUSE Board and other leaders within the openSUSE project and came to the decision to follow the request: we will default the radio button to KDE in the DVD installer. Therefore, with openSUSE 11.2 release, the KDE desktop will be installed if the user accepts the default setting. Users can also choose the GNOME desktop at this stage. We want to make clear that both desktops are considered equal citizens within the openSUSE Project, and this will not have any impact on the quality of the GNOME desktop within openSUSE. GNOME will continue to be offered as a top- level installation choice, and we will continue to strive to provide the best GNOME and KDE desktop experience. Thanks to everyone for conducting the conversation in a professional and courteous manner and for the quality of feedback we've received. This shows the strength of our community, and it's good to know we can address the tough issues head on and remain focused on the project goals. Best Michael [1] https://features.opensuse.org/306967 [2] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2009-08/ -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] More Statistics
by Stephan Kulow 04 Sep '09

04 Sep '09

Hi, I updated my scripts to rescan the last 8 weeks of apache logs for 11.2 data (it took less than 3 days - we're talking 15G of compressed apache that needs to be evaluated and my poor workstation is doing alot of other stuff :) http://en.opensuse.org/Statistics now has preliminary 11.2 data (I will reset them when 11.2 is out, for now the goal is to test the statistics - I found already smaller problems caused by aria2c now having a longer user agent) Anyway, what we see is that there are around 1000 new factory installations per week and that's great - we can assume some do fresh installations into VMs, but the number still indicates a lot of factory users. And 11.1 is still growing, which is also good - as 11.2 will still take some time (and that will also mean that many will not switch to 11.2 as they just found the time to update to 11.1 :) But http://ktown.kde.org/~coolo/repos.png implies that the 11.1 hype is over, we reached again a limit we had before the 11.1 release of IPs accessing our servers (every IP counts only counts once for the oldest product). Then again, the traffic always goes down in summers (both the nothern and the southern hemisphere summer - some call the second summer christmas, but that is politically incorrect I guess :) The week in march when download.o.o was down (and I miss 60 hours of logs), had only half the IPs, so this is a neat reminder that dialup users make it impossible to guess how many users there are. We see on average 5 IPs pro cookie. So there are between 80.000 and 1.000.000 11.1 users - any more concrete number is only a guess I'm afraid. http://jspaleta.livejournal.com/42464.html claims their user base is 115% of the sum of total IPs for fedora. That again would give you 6,5 Million openSUSE 11.1 users and 9,2 Million users of 11.0 - And live cds are still a mistery - in 8 weeks there were only 9 live installations found, but that maybe because people do not do updates in these live installations. I have no other explanation atm, but that mistery is the reason I do this 11.2 logs parsing that early. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Conference: Key Signing Party, anyone ?
by Pascal Bleser 31 Aug '09

31 Aug '09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I believe that we should take the opportunity of meeting in real life to also organize a key signing party at the openSUSE Conference. Unfortunately, I'm too busy to coordinate it, which is a bit of work. Typically, it requires everyone with a GPG/PGP key to send their fingerprint to the coordinator _before_ the event, and to have their key on a key server too. The coordinator then stops accepting key fingerprints a few days before the event, puts together a list of all the fingerprints along with the respective name and email address of each person the key belongs to, and puts that list on the web. All the participants (who have submitted their key's fingerprint) then print out that list and bring it with them to the conference. We'll then have to take an hour or so to check each other's fingerprint as well as each person's ID (ID, driver license, passport, whatever). Then, when we're home, we sign the public keys and mark them as trusted in our keyring, and upload that information to the key servers again. It would be particularly appropriate to do that at the conference because it *requires* meeting in real life in order to check the other persons' identity. cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser(a)opensuse.org> /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM::6+7 Feb 2010, Brussels, http://fosdem.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFKnD2yr3NMWliFcXcRAtSFAJ97jwlE+1q7FtjkKXL99dFShAiMzQCgumIQ C56zb6UcJQZnxFZJ2ubfjGo= =5Z4W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Question related to Distributed package and updates distribution System
by Vinu Rajashekhar 29 Aug '09

29 Aug '09

Hi, I was going through the openSUSE GSOC 2009 projects list when I came upon the last project on the list - Distributed package and updates distribution System , basically about using a p2p system to do distributed package management. I am interested in doing this, but isn't there already things like apt-p2p out there which is a good enough solution. So do you want to basically port apt-p2p to openSUSE or make an entirely new solution from scratch ? I didn't know where exactly to post this, so I am posting here in the most general mailing list for developers. Regards, Vinu -- Vinu Rajashekhar, 5th Year Dual Degree Student, Deptt of Computer Science & Engg, IIT Kharagpur, India. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Call for Election committee members
by Michael Loeffler 28 Aug '09

28 Aug '09

Moin, as we'll have a re-election of two seats of the openSUSE Board this year in autumn I'd like to invite people to step up for participation in the Election Committee. Tasks of the Election Committee: - manage and drive the whole election - define voting - define time line for the election - define the different phases - do all announcements around the election - set up and organize the ballot - etc. I'm already in contact with the election committee of last years election [1] and two members are already willing to participate in this team again. Anyone interested in helping to organize this election please contact me, I'll bring the election committee together. And thanks to everyone in advance who wants to support this important effort. Best Michael [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Board_Election [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Board_Election/2008 -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Apache Foundation's Gianugo Rabellino to Keynote openSUSE Conference
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 27 Aug '09

27 Aug '09

The openSUSE Project is pleased to announce its second confirmed keynote for the first-ever openSUSE Conference[1]. Our closing keynote will be delivered by Gianugo Rabellino, Chief Executive Officer of Sourcesense[2] and member of the Apache Software Foundation (ASF). Rabellino serves as Vice President of the Apache XML Project Management Committee, is a committer on several ASF projects including Cocoon, Xindice, and Jackrabbit, as well as mentor of a number of projects currently in development at the ASF Incubator. Rabellino's keynote, "Open Development in the trenches: a decade at the Apache Software Foundation" will provide a "look behind the scenes" at the Apache Software Foundation's 10 years of open source leadership. The opening keynote will be given by Leslie Hawthorn of Google. Leslie is a program manager for Google’s Open Source Programs Office, and community manager for the Google Summer of Code. The topic of the keynote is "Mentoring for Fun and Profit," and the full description can be found on the openSUSE Conference Web site. The openSUSE Conference is an opportunity for openSUSE contributors to attend talks, workshops, Birds of a Feather sessions, and collaborate together face to face. The conference will be held from September 17 through September 20 in Nürnberg, Germany. Register today[3] to reserve your spot! The conference will have two daily tracks of pre-planned talks, plus "BarCamp" style tracks for attendees to plan and provide their own content. Scheduled talks include: * openSUSE Build Service and Cross-Platform Packaging: Peter Linnell * Git in the openSUSE Build Service: Andreas Gruenbacher * openSUSE & Moblin: Michael Meeks Unconference ============= The openSUSE Conference will also have a major "unconference" component. We'll have plenty of time for contributors to discuss and work on topics they're interested in face to face. Unconference planning is being done on the openSUSE wiki[4]. Want to lead a session? Jump in and edit the wiki! Register Today! ================ The conference is less than a month away. If you haven't registered yet, you need to do so today! Registration is at conference.opensuse.org/registration. We'll accept registrations up to the conference, but space is limited. Hotels and Getting There ========================= Time is running out to book your hotel for the openSUSE Conference. Limited space is still available in the venue. All registrants should have received information on booking hotel. Registrations are being made through Alexia Henrie (ahenrie at novell.com) More information on hotels[5] and directions[6] can be found on the conference Web site. [1]: http://conference.opensuse.org/ [2]: http://www.sourcesense.com/en/home [3]: http://conference.opensuse.org/registration/ [4]: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Conf_2009_Unconference [5]: http://conference.opensuse.org/where-to-stay/ [6]: http://conference.opensuse.org/getting-there/ -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE conference and how to there and around
by Michael Loeffler 26 Aug '09

26 Aug '09

Moin, I just created this page which should help to find your way to the conference in general and around in NUE: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Conf_2009_Howtogetthere Feel free to review edit and add stuff when necessary. BTW: If you're not registered yet please do so. http://conference.opensuse.org/registration/ It will make planning a lot easier ;-) Thanks Michael -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openFATE feature #307495: GNOME default
by Christian Jäger 26 Aug '09

26 Aug '09

Hello all, as it now seems to be practice th on default desktop environment and other politicking are introduced by majority votes on openSUSE's feature request portal, we were bound to create an option for GNOME users to vote for their favorite desktop on openFATE. Here it is: #307495: GNOME default For those of us who want to make the only sane choice and vote against having any desktop environment default, I have created: #307496: return to having no default desktop environment Greets, Chris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Report #1 OpenSUSE LTS/openSLE (Long summary)
by Boyd Lynn Gerber 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Hello, Many of us have been thinking about this for years... openFATE #306982: Create an open SLES https://features.opensuse.org/306982 really started the ball rolling on this idea and gave it life. I am reporting back the significant points from the new ML created. To sum things up... We need a set of guidelines that must be followed. These should include... URL's for the Guidelines we should/must reference are as follows.. openSUSE http://en.opensuse.org/Packaging Fedora https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines We need to define a set of guidelines for either project we choose. These guidelines with be used and need to be reveiwed by someone with legal knowledge. Once we define these guidelines we will post them as an RFC to the opensuse-project ML. So to sum things up. 1. I see us creating a server OS with long lifetime. 2. Packages have to be 100 % binary compatible with our defined target. Only aberrations with removal of trademarks and or legal reasons are allowed. 3. Every change has to be reproducable and tracked via an available SCM. I personally prefer GIT. We need to make sure we keep in mind using an OBS as the prefered method of doing the task of building and releasing, and other things it provides. This can be local BS or on the OBS. The GIT GSOC project bsgit(*) provided a great front end to the OBS. may assist us in this task. The code finish code has to be made publically available. 4. Every code change to the project has to have a SR and the 3 positive votes accepting it before it is published. (Model after openSUSE Factory). 5. We need legal advice on the setup of the packaging guidelines. (What we have to remove to stay legal, and ... (Not much in the way of legal would be needed for openSUSE LTS) 6. The guidelines should be written down and rpmlint checks made where possible to insure we abide by the guidelines and avoid legal issues. There are basically two choices as the subject reports. 1. openSUSE LTS A longer life spam of openSUSE releases. 2. openSLE(S,D) A binary compatible with SLES/SLED >From all the information gathered from the various contacts openSLED is really not an option. openSUSE and SLED fill this requirement. So there is not need for it. So the group must decide on which of the openSUSE LTS or openSLES they want to do. This is what I have so far on pros and cons for each. openSLE Pro 1. security fixes are already done for the lifetime of the release. 2. Smaller number of rpm's 3. Server oriented without a lot of clutter. 4. All that would be needed is to remove the branding and rebrand it for openSLE. A much smaller task. 5. Binary compatible for SLES. Cons 1. Possiblity of antagonizing the Novell upper management.(Probable) 2. Not the most politically acceptable solution 3. Needs legal advice to conform to legal requirements. 4. Needs a legal entity to control the SLES subscription and have the ability to get the patches to SLES. (Might be considered a pro) 5. May need community provided local BS. openSUSE LTS Pros 1. No real legal issues. 2. The ability to choose just the OSS easily. 3. Large base of openSUSE users. 4. Definitely able to use the OBS. 5. Community driven in all ways. Cons 1. More packages that have to be paired down to a workable number. 2. Community driven in all ways. 3. Do we have enough people we trust to do back ports over the lifetime? 4. Need highly driven members as everything will be on their sholders. 5. I feel there will be more work with openSUSE LTS than with openSLE. It had said time and time again that the openSUSE community is free to create a community supported LTS and Novell will assist and provide the necessary infrastructure but will not help by maintaining any packages. Personally I really doubt there are enough willing and able people in the current community to properly backport e.g. security fixes, drivers for the kernel, and so on. This is why I think the idea of a "cummunity supported LTS" won't work. (or at least will not produce anything "One would want to run on a publice server"). Therefore I fee the right option is the do an openSLES, but this as of yet has not been decided. * bsgit http://gitorious.org/opensuse/bsgit -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb(a)zenez.com> 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Weekly News: Announcing Meetings via news.o.o
by Sascha 'saigkill' Manns 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Hello Mates, i would just remind you, to announce meetings in news.o.o too. The thing behind them is, that we use an script for fetching news.o.o events automaticly. It would be great if we all have the events on an central place. Thank you very much :-) -- Sincerely yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Ambassador openSUSE Marketing Team openSUSE Build Service Web: http://saschamanns.gulli.to Project-Blog: http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/saigkill Private-Blog: http://saschasbacktrace.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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