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[opensuse-project] Update Add-on CD/DVD
by Javier Llorente 26 May '09

26 May '09

Hello, The other day one of my friends installed openSUSE 11.1/KDE 4.1.3 on his laptop and afterwards he updated it. He had to download about 1.0 GB of updates. And well, I thought that maybe we could have an update add-on DVD to avoid big updates after fresh installs. This wouldn't be an openSUSE respin or anything like that. People would download openSUSE as usual and then the update add-on DVD et voilà! I have done some test but weren't a complete success... I made my own update add-on DVD by downloading the folders noarch, i586 and i686 from the update repository, then I used YaST Add-On Creater tool to create the DVD image and I tried it on a fresh install of openSUSE running on VirtualBox. Well, it updated a few packages but not everything, and re-ran it and nothing happened. No updates for me :-( Any thoughts on this? Greetings, Javier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Update Add-on CD/DVD
by Stephan Kulow 25 May '09

25 May '09

On Tuesday 28 April 2009 02:00:51 Dean Hilkewich wrote: > Javier, > > Product Creator and Add on Creator are hopelessly broken in 11.1. They > both have several bugs that have not been fixed since it debuted. You > are better off to simply copy the updates and burn a plain DVD and then > add it as a source with higher priority then the other repo's. It > seems these YaST modules have been deemed not worthy to fix in 11.1. > Hi Dean, Have your patches been rejected? On what base? Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Call for Participations: openSUSE Summit 2009
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 18 May '09

18 May '09

The openSUSE Project is opening the call for participation in the openSUSE Summit 2009[1], to be held September 17 through 20 in Nuremberg, Germany. We're looking for contributors to openSUSE, upstream projects, and members of the openSUSE community to participate[2]. The summit will be an opportunity to bring the openSUSE contributor community together to share ideas, experience, hack, and help guide the direction of the project. So we're looking to members of the community to give presentations, tutorials, and lead birds of a feather and panel sessions in several tracks: * Community: Marketing, translations, wiki, documentation, forums, and openSUSE governance. * Desktop: Topics related to the openSUSE desktop, including KDE, GNOME, Xfce, and applications. * Server: Use of openSUSE on the server or development of server applications. * Toolchain and System: The kernel, YaST, packaging, and openSUSE Build Service. * Open Day: Saturday will include a track for openSUSE users and people new to Linux. If you're interested in presenting at the openSUSE Summit, fill out the Call for Participation Form[3] with all of the details for your participation. We're accepting talks, tutorials, birds of a feather, and panel discussion submissions. (Birds of feather sessions will be scheduled after hours.) The summit will not be entirely composed of prepared presentations, so we will be accepting a limited number of proposals. Deadline ======== All proposals must be submitted by May 20th. To submit a proposal, fill out the form[3] before 12:00 UTC on May 20. [1]: http://bit.ly/NLIcy [2]: http://bit.ly/13y5n [3]: http://bit.ly/44B4Dv -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [GSoC project] Natural Language+Voice User Interface for openSUSE
by Mohit Verma 28 Apr '09

28 Apr '09

Hello all, I am Mohit Verma, 3rd year Information Systems student from BITS Pilani, Goa Campus (India). My application for GSoC '09 mentored by Stephen Shaw under the openSUSE organization was selected and I'd like to tell everyone about the project idea. The aim is to build a Natural Language + Voice User Interface to openSUSE, and the scope of this project would consist of all the routine desktop activities that a user likes to perform- 1. Playing/managing media (audio,video,pictures etc) 2. Locating and opening a file 3. Finding an application 4. Managing software 5. Emailing/instant messaging contacts (the list could be expanded) The application will have a GNOME-do or Quicksilver kind of an interface, and will handle natural language commands by user. The software would be used as an accessiblity tool (for people who would find it easy to have an interface driven by voice), as a tool for people who are new to Linux in general and openSUSE in particular and others who'd find it cool to talk to their computer. The grammar will be context free (I plan to use the Stanford University's parser written in Java), for the speech recognition part, pocketSphinx or Sphinx-4 would be used. I know that part of the application is similar to gnome-voice-control, the addition being the addition of natural language support. I look forward to your help and encouragement, and thanks again for accepting my application. Regards, Mohit Verma, sourcemorph on freenode (channels: opensuse-soc, opensuse-project). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Board Meeting Minutes, April 8, 2009
by Michael Loeffler 27 Apr '09

27 Apr '09

Board Meeting April 08 6-7:45pm UTC Federico Mena Quintero (federico1) Hendrik Vogelsang (henne) Michael Löffler (michl) Bryen Yunashko (suseROCKs) Pascal Bleser (yaloki) Next Board Meeting April 29th. Status of old action items * AI henne, create board blog a spotlight.opensuse.org WIP - henne works on getting the url and creates then accounts * AI all, Member approval shame on us, we've been pretty slow in approvals. All promised to go ahead step by step. * Trademark guide lines - for feeback please use: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Trademark_Guidelines_use_cases - michl had a conversation with zonker that we should once again asking activly for feeback, give time for feedback and go ahead, it looks like a summer task * Improvment of IRC cloak and email address handling - yaloki and suseROCKs are now side admins, darix will train them (but doesn't know about that yet) * openSUSE Foundation - creation of a german foundation (e.V.) - its just some paper work, it needs for the beginning 7 founding members, the pure cost is not higher than $ 150 -> doable Pro: - we can do what we want and are our own master Con: - all paperwork and ongoing effort needs to be handled by us - yaloki put together some information about http://www.spi-inc.org/about-spi - pros: * they take care of the legal shmoo * they can provide legal assistance if needed * their board is elected, and we could have someone join their organization + follow all the discussions, including private ones * donations to SPI (and hence to openSUSE) would be tax-deducible in the USA * donations can be made in Germany through a NFP (non-for-profit) there (ffii), as well as in Italy * they have an online form for donating - cons: * SPI owns the money, but transfers to us, as long as it doesn't conflict with SPI's legal status (a NFP) * SPI also owns assets (e.g. hardware) we buy through them * that money + those assets are only transferable to another NFP in the USA -- that means that if we were to have a NFP on our own, e.g. an e.V. in Germany like KDE, we wouldn't be able to transfer the money + assets we had through SPI at that point * they take 5% of all donations - henne brought up the idea of using the existing http://www.lst.de/ LST is an existing german foundation (e.V.) for the support of free software. Members of LST approached us and offered help - pro: - the bureaucracy for e.V. creation is done - con: - as it is an existing foundation openSUSE would have at the beginning no say, so we'd rely on the existing members (majority are SUSE employees or ex-SUSE ones.) - all the donation infrastructure needs to be created anyway Conclusion: everything is possible and each solution has its pros and cons AI: michl to set up a wiki page with all the information to get a better picture AI: michl to get in contact with LST and discuss further * openSUSE conference - program committee meets in a few days * Membership Advantages - michl spoke with zonker about a free LWN account for all openSUSE members. A free LWN acount would cost us not less then $ 2 per person and month. Assuming 500 members (currently we have 260 but this will grow) that would mean $ 12k per year. All Board members agreed that this amount of money can be spent better for the community. -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 1 Released
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 24 Apr '09

24 Apr '09

openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 1 Released Lizard lovers, get ready to start your engines! The first milestone release for openSUSE 11.2 is now ready for your testing pleasure[1]. Please note: This is a milestone release. It's for openSUSE contributors who want to use the release for testing and development (or want a sneak preview of the 11.2 release), but it is not for production use. What's New in 11.2 Milestone 1 ======================== The 11.2 milestone 1 includes a number of new packages and improvements to the base system that are in development: * Linux kernel 2.6.29 * KDE 4.2.2 * GNOME 2.26 * Mono 2.4 * OpenOffice.org 3.1 beta 4 * Xfce 4.6 * Alsa 2.6.29 * Samba 3.2.8 _ In addition, the live CDs now use LZMA compression[2] and have German, French, Italian, Polish, and Russian translations. YaST's Qt package manager now has a configurable view layout, and Zypp's mirror handling should be more robust in this release. Ext4 is supported in this release, but not yet enabled for installation. **Additional Features Completed for 11.2 milestone 1** * 302485: sync GPT and MBR on MacBook (mactel)[3] * 302923: handle redirection to mirrors robustly[4] * 304429: package cache handling in YaST[5] * 305561: Install Debuginfo Package by build-id[6] * 305561: access table contents in YaST in more ways than just by push buttons[7] * 305803: improve command_not_found_helper speed[8] * 306230: Auto-Reset the screen settings in gnome-display-properties[9] You can track all features for 11.2 in openFate[10]. See more on Factory progress on the Factory Page on the openSUSE wiki[11]. Screenshots are available (and can be uploaded to) Screenshots/11.2_Alpha_0[12]. Getting Milestone 1 =================== The latest development versions are available from http://software.opensuse.org/developer/[1]. You can choose x86 or x86-64 DVDs or KDE and GNOME Live CDs. Testing ======= We all want openSUSE 11.2 to be the best release yet, and we need your help to get there. Please run the release through your usual routine, and let us know about any bugs or other issues that you find. Remember that this is a milestone release, and is not suitable for use on production systems. Though many openSUSE users can and do use the Factory distribution and/or testing releases for day-to-day work we want to stress that it's entirely possible that you will encounter serious bugs. See openSUSE.org/Testing[13] for more information on Testing. To follow the testing and development process, we suggest that you subscribe to the openSUSE-Factory mailing list, and join the #openSUSE-Factory channel on Freenode to discuss openSUSE development. [1]: http://software.opensuse.org/developer [2]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZMA [3]: https://features.opensuse.org/302485 [4]: https://features.opensuse.org/302923 [5]: https://features.opensuse.org/304429 [6]: https://features.opensuse.org/305561 [7]: https://features.opensuse.org/305680 [8]: https://features.opensuse.org/305803 [9]: https://features.opensuse.org/306230 [10]: http://bit.ly/f5J5Y [11]: http://en.opensuse.org/Factory/News [12]: http://en.opensuse.org/Screenshots/11.2_Alpha_0 [13]: http://opensuse.org/Testing -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Question about update/upgrade of existing repository
by sda 23 Apr '09

23 Apr '09

hello, beg your pardon for the disturbing and deepest apologises if i'm using the wrong mailing list (please advise). as some of you probably know the Enlightenment project scheduled the release of Enlightenment-DR17 this year: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e - general info http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/ReleaseSchedule - Release Schedule it happened that (as a de-facto maintainer of E-svn packages for openSUSE) i prepared a small project: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dmitry_serpokryl:/E/ where have cooked some packages according to the Enlightenment Release Schedule. below is a draft page about that on E official site: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/E17%20binary%20packages suppose that the list of packages could be expanded in the nearest future. it's planned to have a regular monthly updates of a binary packages from E-svn. right now the repo inddeed contain core minimum plus "expedite" - universal test suite for "evas" (canvas of E-DR17). is it possible to add my modest project to the "global" X11 group or replace/modify/upgrade the existing highly outdated repository: http://download.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/repositories/X11:/Enlightenment/ ? thank you very much for your attention. regards, sda -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Report on KGEC Freedomfest '09 [cross post]
by Rohit Gupta 22 Apr '09

22 Apr '09

[Cross posting in different Mailing List] The report on KGEC FreedomFest '09 is uploaded. Here's the Link. http://groups.google.com/group/kgeclug/browse_thread/thread/37d74648a8ee8f3d Regards: Rohit Gupta GLUG KGEC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Google Summer of Code Accepted Projects Announced
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 21 Apr '09

21 Apr '09

On Monday, Google announced the accepted projects for all of the Google Summer of Code organizations. The openSUSE Project has nine projects[1] that were accepted for the Summer of Code 2009. The following students have had projects accepted: * Eryu Guan: Porting openSUSE to MIPS platform * Marcus Huewe: Integrating oauth into the openSUSE Build Service * Peter Libic: Prototype git backend for OpenSUSE Build Service * Kusum Madarasu: openSIS-MySQL * Jan-Simon Möller: Porting openSUSE to ARM platform * Udit Sajjanhar: OpenID Support for openSUSE Build Service * Jeffrey Shantz: YaST Education Module * Peter Somlo: Synchronization with Mobile Devices * Mohit Verma: NLP+Voice UI system for the openSUSE desktop Of course, we received more than nine excellent proposals. While we couldn't accept every proposal that we'd have liked, we'd like to thank all of the students who submitted proposals. Also, a big thanks to all of the mentors who have volunteered to mentor, worked with students to answer questions about proposals, and provide guidance so far. The next step is the Community Bonding Period[2] to help students get acclimated with the project and learn how to work within the openSUSE Project. Some of our students are already long-standing members of the community, but please give all of them a warm welcome and any assistance they need in getting started. Coding starts officially on May 23rd. Let's get ready to have a great summer! [1]: http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/opensuse [2]: http://tinyurl.com/4w3kfm -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Attitudes
by Dean Hilkewich 18 Apr '09

18 Apr '09

Hi all, I've been a openSUSE / SuSE user for many years. As of late I've been becoming increasingly disappointed with some of the attitudes of some of the devs involved with the project. Too many times I have suggested items to improve the usability of openSUSE and have hit the "we don't support" "use xxxx instead of" "won't fix" replies. This really disappoints me. I have also been a member of the SuseStudio testing team and I have to say that the attitudes in SuseStudio are nothing but absolutely stellar where as the oS team seems to be heavily politically motivated and less then willing to look at improving things that does not directly fit their developers systems. Many of the suggestions I have made over the past for oS have been met with basically a "fsck u" attitude because "we don't like it" or a "we don't use it" or "why would you want to do that" reply. It's funny that the same suggestions that I put forward to oS and kicked in the teeth for are so readily accepted as "ya we can improve this" in SuseStudio. Why is this so? I present to you a irc convo in the SuseStudio chat room that shows this "can do" attitude. These suggestions have been put forward to oS many times and have only been met with nothing less then hostility. <Deanjo> ie: What product creator should be able to do, but is so currently riddled with bugs that is fails miserably. <jamesty2> Deanjo: not quite sure what you mean <jamesty2> Deanjo: you mean to create direct installation media? <Deanjo> yes <jamesty2> Deanjo: ah okies <jamesty2> Deanjo: sorry nope we don't have any plans for that in suse studio <Deanjo> crap, all I want is a solution for suse that allows customized install media that will at least work for "non-standard" disk setups <Deanjo> The problem with the live installs is that they fail miserably at configed machines that are using dmraid <jamesty2> hrm <jamesty2> i am no expert in that area <jamesty2> heading out, cya <Deanjo> yup late <Deanjo> r <Nat1> i would love to have customized install media too deanjo <Nat1> but i think it might be a better solution to really improve the live installer <Deanjo> Right now the live installer fails in too many "non-standard" setups <Nat1> Do you have some specific feedback there? <Nat1> I can pass it along and try to get it fixed <Deanjo> Ya, dmraid <Deanjo> Part of the problem is the partitioner wanting to format homes and or trying to format the drives as individual drives <Deanjo> Then there is also it suggesting to put grub on removable drives instead of the primary raid <Deanjo> I know dmraid is "frowned upon" but when you dual boot and want access by both os's it's the only way without spending big cash on a hardware raid setup. Plus almost every board out there offers fakeraid and more and more people are running them <Deanjo> (not to mention dmraid 5 vs mdraid 5 kicks the living snot out of mdraid in performance) <Deanjo> mdraid 20 MB/s writes dmraid 100+MB/s writes <Nat1> Cool, anything else? <snorp> Deanjo: so basically you need the full partitioning wizard thingy <snorp> Deanjo: with mount point setup, etc <Deanjo> Hell yes <snorp> I think it would be great if we could produce those <snorp> I see the value in having it <snorp> Deanjo: but if you also had all of that stuff in the live installer, you'd be happy too <Deanjo> The other big issue but this is with the current partitioner. If you run a 4:3 screen on installation the left hand column is useless because your running device mapper and the device names are too long to show what partition is what without having to scroll <snorp> ah, nice <Deanjo> The vertical pane layout is useless. It has to be vertical to be of any use <Deanjo> * horizontal <Deanjo> Try to get /dev/mapper/nvidia_adhebbbb_part1 to show nicely in that little space even running at max install res <Deanjo> Another thing is being able to easily setup network configs. Static IP on small networks is preferred <Deanjo> At present it hard locks you into DHCP until your first boot <Deanjo> If I had all the options that the direct install media had (even with some improvements) I would not hesitate to use it. It really needs a "advance" setup option <Deanjo> It needs a Advance button that lets me setup the network, partitioning, screen etc <Nat1> yeah <Nat1> i totally agree <Nat1> we've talked about this a bit <Nat1> i think we need to make it a higher priority <Nat1> snorp: we should talk to stano about this I applause the SuseStudio group for having an attitude that is USER oriented. Keep up the great work guys. With attitudes like that you will earn more adopters of opensuse then the actual opensuse project. Dean Hilkewich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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