December 2008 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] openSUSE 11.2 schedule
by Michael Loeffler 15 Mar '09

15 Mar '09

Moin, openSUSE 11.1 is almost out of the door and we (coolo, aj, zonker and myself) had some discussion about the release date for openSUSE 11.2. First we talked about July '09 release to come close to an 8 months release cycle. But KDE 4.3 is scheduled for release on June 30th and probably an OpenOffice.org release will be out end of June as well - both wouldn't make it into a July openSUSE 11.2. Therfor we're now thinking about a September release. Beside of getting the most current OpenOffice and KDE in thhis would even have one additional upside. It probably would be just in front of our openSUSE conference. So the conference could be used for very a focused openSUSE 11.3 planning. But it has its downside as well. Finalization of the release would happen during the summer holiday season. To address this we we added one Beta to stretch the development time a bit. Here's what we're talking about: 2009-02-05 openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 2009-03-05 openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 1 2009-04-02 openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 2 2009-04-30 openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 3 2009-05-28 openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 4 2009-06-25 openSUSE 11.2 Beta 1 2009-07-09 openSUSE 11.2 Beta 2 2009-07-24 openSUSE 11.2 Beta 3 2009-08-06 openSUSE 11.2 Beta 4 2009-08-20 openSUSE 11.2 RC1 2009-09-03 openSUSE 11.2 GM 2009-09-10 openSUSE 11.2 Public Release Events to consider March 3-8 CeBIT March 8-13 BrainShare June 24-27 LinuxTag June 3-11 Akademy/Guadec Sept openSUSE conference (mid of sept) Sept Plumbers conference (around Sept 20-25) Let us know what you're thinking about this. Best M -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] release as an add-on?
by James Tremblay aka SLEducator 07 Jan '09

07 Jan '09

Hey guys, What are the obstacles to the idea of marketing a full release at X.0 and then releasing\marketing "patch CD updates" instead of full community sub-releases(still a fully installable dvd if desired, specifically for the x.3)? We would definitely be doing something different than the rest of the distro's (good PR) and if the patch cd could accomplish the same kinds of updates that we offer in our current sub-releases with less work and more stability for the end user, it would be a win\win\win: openSUSE team gets to show off YaST and Build Service, marketing gets to differentiate openSUSE, the end users need for a fresh install could be reduced. Extra possible "win" - "long term support "could more easily be moved to x.3 releases citing the x.1\x.2 as support levels for x.0. with the bonus side effect of reducing update channel bandwidth. i.e. security only on x.0 then nothing unless x.1 is applied (This is nothing new to major software vendors, can't tell you how many times I've heard "we only support that product at x.1.2.3, please upgrade.") then x.3s could also be easily translated to SLEs. It seems a waste that SuSE built YaST with all this functionality to not let openSUSE benefit from it's heritage. Any way , openSUSE is yet again filled with many exciting things while still delivering the hope of many more. I'm happy to play with 11.1, while drooling for 11.2 , just as I was the day after 11.0 released. Thanks for all the fun! JT -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Boxed editions slipping on release dates (3 weeks in some cases)
by Kevin Dupuy 07 Jan '09

07 Jan '09

Starting last night I've begun to see people on both the support mailinglist and the forums complain they've received an email from the Novell Shop telling them their pre-ordered boxed editions won't ship until January 5th. Does anyone know what's going on? I've seen this happen with previous versions of openSUSE, but I thought there was something done to correct the problem. It seems to me people paying $60USD then not receiving their product until 3 weeks after the free download will think twice about buying the box again. -- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy - openSUSE Member Public Mail: <kevin.dupuy(a)opensuse.org> Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays from the Yeaux! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] GCC RPMs and symbolic links
by Ian Nelson 05 Jan '09

05 Jan '09

I see that the GCC package installs binaries with a version suffix and creates a link. gcc43 install /usr/bin/gcc-4.3 and gcc-4.3 installs the symbolic link gcc->gcc-4.3. I've been hacking on an RPM for LLVM 2.4 and Ada has been giving me some issues, gnatmake and gnatlink and gnatbind are installed with a suffix but no link and the GCC frontend configure script doesn't work with that. Is this a defect? Against which package? It seems as if it is but I know that probably isn't that popular. Ian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] FOSDEM 2009: CFP & more information ...
by Martin Lasarsch 28 Dec '08

28 Dec '08

Hi internal suse list is on bcc:, reply to: is set to opensuse-project. Today i received the confirmation that openSUSE will have a devroom @ FOSEM 2009! Yay! Because it's a little bit earlier next year (2008-02-07/08), we should start right now with the the planing. If you have no idea what FOSDEM is: http://www.fosdem.org/2009/ http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-marketing/2008-11/msg00025.html http://en.opensuse.org/FOSDEM2009 (previous years linked at the end) * CFP So lets start with the call for papers. We always have quite a big crowd of SUSE/Novell staff at FOSDEM, but we want more community talks. So if you have an idea for a presentation, please send it to the list. Yes, i said idea, not if you want to make it. If you want to make it: perfect. If not: we might find someone who can. In the end it's about interesting presentations the community want to hear. Please look at the old schedules to get an idea what happened the last years, or even watch the videos. The official deadline is not really announced (i just says 3 weeks before the event), but because i want to book the hotel this year (before 15.12) it would be appreciated that we do it a little bit faster this time. This is for SUSE/Novell staff only important, but it would be nice to have a full schedule quite early this time. * booth if you want, you can help us at the booth. So far we never had a problem doing that with SUSE/Novell staff, but it makes more fun with YOU! :-) If you have some fresh ideas how to improve the booth ... otherwise it will be again 2 laptops with big displays. * travel So far i made no decision which hotel we will use. For general travel information look at the official FOSDEM page. SUSE/Novell staff: talk with your manager if he will pay for the travel. Even if you don't plan to do a presentation for openSUSE, contact me for booking the hotel/flight. * wiki If you think you will participate at FOSDEM, enter your name at the wikipage if you want. -- with kind regards, Martin Lasarsch, Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nürnberg GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) martin.lasarsch(a)suse.de - http://www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] OpenSUSE 11.1 Review
by Eric Springer 25 Dec '08

25 Dec '08

Hi all, I'm writing a review of OpenSUSE 11.1 and having just written an early draft of it -- I'd like to ask for some community feedback before anything gets finalized. Perhaps replies to the criticism, back stories, or anything else you think should be included / omitted. I have temporarily housed the rough draft at: http://www.erikina.com/reviews/opensuse-review.html Kind Regards, Eric Springer. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Weekly News: Call for contribution
by Sascha 'saigkill' Manns 25 Dec '08

25 Dec '08

Hello Friends, i'm Sascha Manns from the Weekly News. In the last issues we had the Section "New/Updated Applications" in the Weekly News. We plan to have one KDE and one GNOME Program and one other. Me myself works in the KDE Ground and OBS. For GNOME i have an RSS-Feed (Gnomefiles.org) But if the Feed info me for an new/updated Application, this not means, that the OBS hosted this Version. My wish is to find an GNOME-Programmer for OBS, who writes regularly for the Weekly News Section. Is it possible for you, to write regularly one Article per Issue about an new GNOME-Program in OBS? You can see new Programs quicker than me :-) Have a nice XMAS... -- Sincereley yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Marketing Team (Weekly News) openSUSE Build Service Web: http://saschamanns.gulli.to Blog: http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/saigkill -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] organised debugging
by jdd 24 Dec '08

24 Dec '08

rmatov101(a)charter.net said: > Well, here is what I see. > > Problems in development release that scare 99% of todays users: > 1) boot configuration setup is black box, there is no list of supported (to that moment tested) boot configurations. Actually there is no public specification what should go in this list: partitions, file system, permanent storage, (anything else) probably first thing to do now > 2) kernel will not boot on certain hardware, how to debug this. > Reporting this requires a lot of text to be copied, once you make to the usable configuration. Some simple numeric indicator like line number, or breakpoint number will help much more. It is easy to note on the paper, and easy to post. Splash screen during first phase of development that can have kernel crashes, should be forbidden. * better, we should have test cd's with only the basic stuff (no install), but a debugging output, with copy to a disk if possible or to the screen if not. * creating special, test time cd's should be the next goal > 3) X crashes, and nothing tells that Failsafe option offers a GUI (it should be named "Failsafe Graphic Mode") > 4) will not log in default desktop, or desktop crashes, but alternative to change desktop is in the login screen at the bottom left corner, but how many will click on barely visible text (kdm). This is good for release. Please make life of a tester easier, and provide list, not drop down menu, > 6) ... what we need is *test* software. I'm ready to run any software on my computer, not involving install nor destroying the present config. Soe could be used with current openSUSE install, others on boot only. there was a beginning on this respect to send hardware config, but it was so confusing I don't even know what was sent What do we have to test, in the beginning? * All the specific suse things: mostly called YaST or SaX * kde/gnome integration for all this, specific test should be done, specially for all the new stuff nobody know else than the developpers, so script tests or test paper sheets and online forms jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-eic8MSSfM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Why Simultaneous Net & Box Set Release?
by Rob OpenSuSE 23 Dec '08

23 Dec '08

So we have problems scheduling releases, due to difficulty of shipping physical disks. Bugs found in -RC1, don't get fixed for GM, despite tested fixes being available more than a week before release. There's some feeling been shown by Novell staff, that too few ppl are testing Beta's and RC's. Some reviewers, complain about quality of release, and user 'acceptance testing'. Certainly in my experience, 10.3 took a month to get solid. This time, I've found a regression in 11.1 on a different, for a machine that I got a kernel patch to fix in -RC1. If the media is not going to become a Coaster, if it's going to be really useful, and be something that installs really widely on supported hardware without opening the case, or entering geeky boot parameters. Why doesn't openSUSE ship, a net .0 (for uh oh) release, for the early adopters on the net, and then go to GM with a X.Y.1 release, once the stuff has stabilised? May be that'd jeopardise box set sales? But if that's tried for 11.2, then : 11.2.0 - Core System, KDE 4.3, GNOME 2.24 (Net Only) 11.2.1 - Core + fixes, KDE 4.3 + fixes, GNOME 2.28 (Final, Physical Media, plus updates DVD ISO's and Live CD's) There's a huge amount of time getting wasted on intall over the product life cycle, and you may well have to update Net Install and Live CD iso's anyway for 11.1 when huge swathes of common hardeware that ppl try it on don't work acceptably. When installing is a pain, it makes us loathe to mess with it, and less likely to help when something labelled 'alpha' comes along a few months later, because the expectation is for it to be problematic, when the main release was. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] http://en.opensuse.org/Released_Version#Downloads broken links
by Peter Poeml 22 Dec '08

22 Dec '08

Hi, the download links at the bottom of http://en.opensuse.org/Released_Version#Downloads are more ore less broken. I removed the obsolete cd/ and dvd/ directories, and fixed the arch in the template from i386 to i586, but now the CD links are still broken, because they are i686. I can't fix it, but maybe somebody else can. Thanks, Peter -- Contact: admin(a)opensuse.org (a.k.a. ftpadmin(a)suse.com) #opensuse-mirrors on freenode.net Info: http://en.opensuse.org/Mirror_Infrastructure SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development

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