November 2008 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [opensuse-project] Novell internal programs on NON-OSS repository? (ie Novell Client)
by Dominique Leuenberger 11 Nov '08

11 Nov '08

On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 10:04 +0100, Susanne Oberhauser wrote: > Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser(a)opensuse.org> writes: > >> It IS part of the kernel, but (at least on my system... I did not update > >> yet to the 2.6.27.5 kernel) the version is older than what is shipped in > >> the 2.0 beta client (2.0.0-440 vs 2.0.0-504 from the client) > > > > Ouch, so now it means that there is no way to upgrade the KMP as it > > will conflict with the kernel package :( > > ko modules from KMPs go to a different location > (/lib/modules/$kernel/updates) so they don't conflict. > Yes, I'm sure KMPs can still be used.. but they don't exist ;) > non-oss repos on build.opensuse.org is an interesting idea. > I was actually referring to the already existing non-oss repository of the openSUSE distribution, but a (maybe exceptional permission) to host NCL on OBS would be fantastic! > > It does sound quite hopeless, tried in the past already. Seems that > > the Novell Client for Linux is developed by the part of Novell that > > doesn't care at all about openSUSE. > > 'not at all' is too strong -- it's about priorities and about risk: > Sounds maybe to strong, but from all the bugreports I was involved for NCL in the last months, it sounds almost realistic :( > openSUSE has no support or QOS commitments whatsoever, and no API > commitments, nothing. It's a world in its own and there is a lot of > goodwill but nobody would buy a great car if you *maybe* get it fixed, > which is if someone happens to be interested in fixing it. > > So if Novell officially commits to support a product on top of > openSUSE, and some bug that shows in the product actually needs a fix > in the base OS, then the users are bad off. > Give as much support to the novell client as to openSUSE itself. I'm sure not everybody is going to install it in an office environment. Some are geeky (like Pascal and me :) ) and we want to be able to perform our work on our latest greatest platforms (after all: I already use 11.1 in prod environment... 'using' is the best way to spot bugs. Even though it requires some background knowledge in order to circumvent some appearing bugs. > That's why. It's actually a "we do care": we care about the > implications. > > I agree, though, a 'beta' release with goodwill commitments could be a > Good Thing. A repository containing NCL, that actually can be installed (without many symlinking tricks) would be a great step in this direction. And I promise I would submit all the bugs I can find ;) After all: NCL will probably bi shipped on CODE11 anyhow; CODE11 will be (mostly) based off openSUSE 11.1. So all the reports you get now for openSUSE 11.1 together with NCL can already be treated before SLE goes out of the door. I think THAT should be a good motivation, isn't it? Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes, Nov 5th
by Michael Loeffler 10 Nov '08

10 Nov '08

The new openSUSE Board had its first meeting together with the people from the old board to hand over what's to do, old action items and to answer questions. Here are the meeting minutes of that meeting. openSUSE Board Meeting "Passing the torch" Nov 5th, 19:00 - 21:00 UTC via IRC on freenode Participants: Andreas Jaeger (AJaeger), Francis Giannaros (apokryphos), Stephan Kulow (coolo), Federico Mena Quintero (federico1), Hendrik Vogelsang (henne), Michael Löffler (michl), Bryen Yunashko (suseROCKs), Pascal Bleser (yaloki) General: *Who will chair this one? We agreed on a rotation in an alphabetical order, this meeting chaired by michl, next one by suseROCKs. *Who will take minutes? Michl volunteered to take minutes for every board meeting and publish them after review by the board. For confidentiality see below. *Additional topics? - zonker's presence short discussion about pros and cons about inviting him per default Result: we invite zonker if topics relevant for him are to be covered. This should be anyway the case for everybody, eg. if we talk about the Build Service we should invite adrian to the meeting *unfinished AIs - around 60 to 80 member requests in the queue, this should be processed as soon as possible - AJeager gave an overview about the process Process for member approval: - users register at users.o.o and apply for membership - somebody (aj so far) transfers to the board wiki - Everybody votes in the board wiki. - Somebody approves/rejects on users.o.o and updates the wiki The process is not ideal as it requires much manual work, esp. verification is very time consuming AI: henne to evaluate improvement of that process and users.opensuse.org (cloaks etc.) AI: all go through the list of current member requests for approval AI: all check where the process can be improved and who can do/own it AI: AJeager to import members requests from o.o.users to the board wiki We will freeze new applications, work through the pile of current requests and improve the process. Needs announcement and and we agreed to freeze till Dec 31. AI: michl write announcement and circulate on the list *Passing the torch - board.opensuse.org login and passwort to the ml, happy editing AI henne: get the password of board.o.o changed "Confidentiality of discussions and mail traffic" The issue of confidentiality quickly zeroed in on transparency and what is to be considered an adequate level of transparency. With the options being either a) publish full logs of meetings or b) provide detailed summary of meetings. We agreed on publishing meeting minutes in a summary format after each meeting. Henne provided the opposing vote in favour of full log publication. We agreed on publishing meeting minutes in a summary form after each meeting on opensuse-project. Henne wanted to publish logs but couldn't convince the rest. *New board discussion - sharing of data - telephone, email etc? We exchanged phone numbers and email addresses to assure reachability amongst us. - when and how to meet? Private /public meetings? bi-weekly meetings, on Wednesday after project meeting at 1900 UTC Uups, we missed to talk about public meetings. Need to cover that in next Board Meeting AI: michl to send out a reminder 1 day in advance - Mailinglist AI: henne to cleanup mailing list (remove former board members) Next Board meeting on Nov 19, 1900 UTC Chair: suseROCKs -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Novell internal programs on NON-OSS repository? (ie Novell Client)
by Dominique Leuenberger 10 Nov '08

10 Nov '08

Hi everybody, Once more I would like to raise an issue with the Novell Client for Linux. On 11.1 (Factory) I managed to install the beta version for 11.0. Besides some hacks to circumvent some dependencies, I could install it and 'logging in' to the tree is possible. Nevertheless, copying files to a serever is not possible (df shows 0 bytes free... which I hope is only a joke). The issue might come from the fact that novfs kernel module from the linux client would be a later version, but fails to compile on a 2.6.27 kernel. Suggestion for a solution: -> Could we manage to bring those things in some official repositories (maybe NON-OSS)? Several parts of the client are probably not gpl (even though the kmp for example should be, as well as the yast plugin). Having it in the repositories might spot errors a little bit earlier, and we might finally end up with a version that actually works (the client for 10.3 for example is still in a 'beta' stage as non-public release, for 11.0 the integration with Nautilus is not working and for 11.1 it seems unusable at all). It's almost a shame to see that the Novell own developed products suffer so much of support on Novell's own (community) distribution. I understand that the commercial products are more targeted at SLE products. The discussion is open... FIRE AT WILL! Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] tv cards settings
by manchette 09 Nov '08

09 Nov '08

Hello, is it possible to have the opensuse project include in its tv card installer the right source to get data from ? it looks like the installers often times do not do their job properly for Yast does not have all tv cards in it, so why do not directly use a list up to date and take it where it is the freshest ? : tv modules sources according to each kernel gives an up to date information of the supported tv cards for one kernel , therefore it seems a good choice to get the data from there and thus ease the install process for tv cards hardware. My current case : my provideo pv952 seems supported but the installer can't find the tuner even though i have the right modules in lsmod : saa7314 and tveeprom to auto detect the tuner. Thanks A l.o.t ;-) Fabrice -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] （无主题）
by Kevin Yin 09 Nov '08

09 Nov '08

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Re: [opensuse-project] Wiki sub domain for Indonesian
by Pascal Bleser 08 Nov '08

08 Nov '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Masim "Vavai" Sugianto wrote: > On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser(a)opensuse.org>wrote: >> I think that the right person to contact is Martin Lasarsch (CC'd >> although he's subscribed here too ;)). >> >> Martin, if it isn't you, I would be interested to know the right person >> to poke ;D > > Martin has previously contacted me ;-) Ah, good :) >> Just please please please be careful before launching it: be sure to >> have sufficient manpower to keep it up-to-date because >> yet-another-dead-wiki wouldn't be very helpful ;) > > Thank you for the advice. I absolutely agree with you. We are here in > Indonesian openSUSE community create a group team called opensuse-translate > and now have 15 active members. We also trying to create our own wiki > (started a few days, within this month) on http://wiki.opensuse-id.org and > will be starting to translate the main wiki into Indonesian. > > I know it would like to be a difficult work, complexity job and would need a > long and healthy support from our member but we think we must be started > this to push the documentation and increase openSUSE lover in Indonesia. Sounds very good, wishing you much success with that initiative :) cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser(a)opensuse.org> /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM::7+8 Feb 2009, Brussels, http://fosdem.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFJFOxBr3NMWliFcXcRApFhAJ4xlYtzxS9PQYneTJqRrao9shE66gCgqvAU 0tJVPgr3UnAZs51kHqZ63NM= =fLbn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Wiki sub domain for Indonesian
by Masim "Vavai" Sugianto 08 Nov '08

08 Nov '08

Sorry for spreading this around the opensuse-project. I've sent this to marketing list but maybe I missed that the topic most likely related to opensuse-project. ***** Hi All, I'm trying to push documentation and localization in Indonesian but found no sub domain for Indonesian wiki (id.opensuse.org). How to contact wiki maintainer and what is the requirement to get the sub domain ? According to http://en.opensuse.org/Translation_Team, it seems that Bahasa Indonesia get enough to fit with minimum requirement. -- Best Regards, Masim "Vavai" Sugianto /************************************************************/ Blog (ID) : http://www.vavai.com/blog/index.php Blog (EN) : http://www.vavai.net Community : http://www.opensuse.or.id /************************************************************/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE GNOME meeting (2008/11/6)
by Rodrigo Moya 06 Nov '08

06 Nov '08

Contrib and G:C update Contrib is getting renewal effort by yaloki Lots of issues (policies) need discussion (opensuse-contrib(a)opensuse.org) Anything not in OSS and stable enough is a good candidate for Contrib Some limitations already clear: • no packages that require updates in FACTORY http://en.opensuse.org/Contrib Promotion of GNOME within the context of openSUSE 11.1 "New app" series for the weekly newsletter on news.o.o being planned, one for GNOME and one for KDE Who volunteers for writing (1 per week, so with rotation we can do great) about some cool new app/feature being added that week? Dropping and adding packages libsvg and libsvg-cairo dropped this week glitz in the process of being dropped Galago stuff will be moved to G:C or dropped Is ntfs-config still of any interest? For others, see thread on opensuse-gnome(a)opensuse.org 1-click install of GNOME 2.24 for 11.0 Building not done, so not much progress here Next meeting agenda We need a 11.0 bugs review Using bugzilla for community tasks Contrib followup -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Cookies in opensuse.org
by Sascha Manns 01 Nov '08

01 Nov '08

Hello, i'm using the en,de-Version from the Wiki, and the Buildservice. The Problem is, if i logged in in en.opensuse.org and logging me into de.opensuse.org, the session in the en-Wiki is closed. Is it possible to make for any Part of the Webside an own Cookie? -- Sincereley yours Sascha Manns Open-News-Network e.V. Web: http://saschamanns.gulli.to -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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