On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 10:04 +0100, Susanne Oberhauser wrote:
> Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser(a)opensuse.org> writes:
> >> It IS part of the kernel, but (at least on my system... I did not update
> >> yet to the 2.6.27.5 kernel) the version is older than what is shipped in
> >> the 2.0 beta client (2.0.0-440 vs 2.0.0-504 from the client)
> >
> > Ouch, so now it means that there is no way to upgrade the KMP as it
> > will conflict with the kernel package :(
>
> ko modules from KMPs go to a different location
> (/lib/modules/$kernel/updates) so they don't conflict.
>
Yes, I'm sure KMPs can still be used.. but they don't exist ;)
> non-oss repos on build.opensuse.org is an interesting idea.
>
I was actually referring to the already existing non-oss repository of
the openSUSE distribution, but a (maybe exceptional permission) to host
NCL on OBS would be fantastic!
> > It does sound quite hopeless, tried in the past already. Seems that
> > the Novell Client for Linux is developed by the part of Novell that
> > doesn't care at all about openSUSE.
>
> 'not at all' is too strong -- it's about priorities and about risk:
>
Sounds maybe to strong, but from all the bugreports I was involved for
NCL in the last months, it sounds almost realistic :(
> openSUSE has no support or QOS commitments whatsoever, and no API
> commitments, nothing. It's a world in its own and there is a lot of
> goodwill but nobody would buy a great car if you *maybe* get it fixed,
> which is if someone happens to be interested in fixing it.
>
> So if Novell officially commits to support a product on top of
> openSUSE, and some bug that shows in the product actually needs a fix
> in the base OS, then the users are bad off.
>
Give as much support to the novell client as to openSUSE itself. I'm
sure not everybody is going to install it in an office environment. Some
are geeky (like Pascal and me :) ) and we want to be able to perform our
work on our latest greatest platforms (after all: I already use 11.1 in
prod environment... 'using' is the best way to spot bugs. Even though it
requires some background knowledge in order to circumvent some appearing
bugs.
> That's why. It's actually a "we do care": we care about the
> implications.
>
> I agree, though, a 'beta' release with goodwill commitments could be a
> Good Thing.
A repository containing NCL, that actually can be installed (without
many symlinking tricks) would be a great step in this direction.
And I promise I would submit all the bugs I can find ;) After all: NCL
will probably bi shipped on CODE11 anyhow; CODE11 will be (mostly) based
off openSUSE 11.1. So all the reports you get now for openSUSE 11.1
together with NCL can already be treated before SLE goes out of the
door. I think THAT should be a good motivation, isn't it?
Dominique
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The new openSUSE Board had its first meeting together with the people
from the old board to hand over what's to do, old action items and to
answer questions. Here are the meeting minutes of that meeting.
openSUSE Board Meeting "Passing the torch"
Nov 5th, 19:00 - 21:00 UTC via IRC on freenode
Participants:
Andreas Jaeger (AJaeger), Francis Giannaros (apokryphos), Stephan
Kulow (coolo), Federico Mena Quintero (federico1), Hendrik Vogelsang
(henne), Michael Löffler (michl), Bryen Yunashko (suseROCKs), Pascal
Bleser (yaloki)
General:
*Who will chair this one?
We agreed on a rotation in an alphabetical order, this meeting chaired
by michl, next one by suseROCKs.
*Who will take minutes?
Michl volunteered to take minutes for every board meeting and publish
them after review by the board. For confidentiality see below.
*Additional topics?
- zonker's presence
short discussion about pros and cons about inviting him per default
Result: we invite zonker if topics relevant for him are to be covered.
This should be anyway the case for everybody, eg. if we talk about
the Build Service we should invite adrian to the meeting
*unfinished AIs
- around 60 to 80 member requests in the queue, this should be
processed as soon as possible
- AJeager gave an overview about the process
Process for member approval:
- users register at users.o.o and apply for membership
- somebody (aj so far) transfers to the board wiki
- Everybody votes in the board wiki.
- Somebody approves/rejects on users.o.o and updates the wiki
The process is not ideal as it requires much manual work, esp.
verification is very time consuming
AI: henne to evaluate improvement of that process and
users.opensuse.org (cloaks etc.)
AI: all go through the list of current member requests for approval
AI: all check where the process can be improved and who can do/own it
AI: AJeager to import members requests from o.o.users to the board
wiki
We will freeze new applications, work through the pile of current
requests and improve the process. Needs announcement and and we
agreed to freeze till Dec 31.
AI: michl write announcement and circulate on the list
*Passing the torch
- board.opensuse.org
login and passwort to the ml, happy editing
AI henne: get the password of board.o.o changed
"Confidentiality of discussions and mail traffic"
The issue of confidentiality quickly zeroed in on transparency and
what is to be considered an adequate level of transparency. With the
options being either a) publish full logs of meetings or b) provide
detailed summary of meetings. We agreed on publishing meeting minutes
in a summary format after each meeting. Henne provided the opposing
vote in favour of full log publication.
We agreed on publishing meeting minutes in a summary form after each
meeting on opensuse-project.
Henne wanted to publish logs but couldn't convince the rest.
*New board discussion
- sharing of data - telephone, email etc?
We exchanged phone numbers and email addresses to assure reachability
amongst us.
- when and how to meet? Private /public meetings?
bi-weekly meetings, on Wednesday after project meeting at 1900 UTC
Uups, we missed to talk about public meetings. Need to cover that in
next Board Meeting
AI: michl to send out a reminder 1 day in advance
- Mailinglist
AI: henne to cleanup mailing list (remove former board members)
Next Board meeting on Nov 19, 1900 UTC
Chair: suseROCKs
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Hi everybody,
Once more I would like to raise an issue with the Novell Client for
Linux. On 11.1 (Factory) I managed to install the beta version for 11.0.
Besides some hacks to circumvent some dependencies, I could install it
and 'logging in' to the tree is possible.
Nevertheless, copying files to a serever is not possible (df shows 0
bytes free... which I hope is only a joke).
The issue might come from the fact that novfs kernel module from the
linux client would be a later version, but fails to compile on a 2.6.27
kernel.
Suggestion for a solution:
-> Could we manage to bring those things in some official repositories
(maybe NON-OSS)? Several parts of the client are probably not gpl (even
though the kmp for example should be, as well as the yast plugin).
Having it in the repositories might spot errors a little bit earlier,
and we might finally end up with a version that actually works (the
client for 10.3 for example is still in a 'beta' stage as non-public
release, for 11.0 the integration with Nautilus is not working and for
11.1 it seems unusable at all).
It's almost a shame to see that the Novell own developed products suffer
so much of support on Novell's own (community) distribution. I
understand that the commercial products are more targeted at SLE
products.
The discussion is open... FIRE AT WILL!
Dominique
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Hello,
is it possible to have the opensuse project include in its tv card
installer the right source to get data from ?
it looks like the installers often times do not do their job properly
for Yast does not have all tv cards in it, so why do not directly use a
list up to date and take it where it is the freshest ?
: tv modules sources according to each kernel gives an up to date
information of the supported tv cards for one kernel , therefore it
seems a good choice to get the data from there and thus ease the install
process for tv cards hardware.
My current case : my provideo pv952 seems supported but the installer
can't find the tuner even though i have the right modules in lsmod :
saa7314 and tveeprom to auto detect the tuner.
Thanks A l.o.t ;-)
Fabrice
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Masim "Vavai" Sugianto wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser(a)opensuse.org>wrote:
>> I think that the right person to contact is Martin Lasarsch (CC'd
>> although he's subscribed here too ;)).
>>
>> Martin, if it isn't you, I would be interested to know the right person
>> to poke ;D
>
> Martin has previously contacted me ;-)
Ah, good :)
>> Just please please please be careful before launching it: be sure to
>> have sufficient manpower to keep it up-to-date because
>> yet-another-dead-wiki wouldn't be very helpful ;)
>
> Thank you for the advice. I absolutely agree with you. We are here in
> Indonesian openSUSE community create a group team called opensuse-translate
> and now have 15 active members. We also trying to create our own wiki
> (started a few days, within this month) on http://wiki.opensuse-id.org and
> will be starting to translate the main wiki into Indonesian.
>
> I know it would like to be a difficult work, complexity job and would need a
> long and healthy support from our member but we think we must be started
> this to push the documentation and increase openSUSE lover in Indonesia.
Sounds very good, wishing you much success with that initiative :)
cheers
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Sorry for spreading this around the opensuse-project. I've sent this
to marketing list but maybe I missed that the topic most likely
related to opensuse-project.
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Hi All,
I'm trying to push documentation and localization in Indonesian but
found no sub domain for Indonesian wiki (id.opensuse.org). How to
contact wiki maintainer and what is the requirement to get the sub
domain ?
According to http://en.opensuse.org/Translation_Team, it seems that
Bahasa Indonesia get enough to fit with minimum requirement.
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Contrib and G:C update
Contrib is getting renewal effort by yaloki
Lots of issues (policies) need discussion (opensuse-contrib(a)opensuse.org)
Anything not in OSS and stable enough is a good candidate for Contrib
Some limitations already clear:
• no packages that require updates in FACTORY
http://en.opensuse.org/Contrib
Promotion of GNOME within the context of openSUSE 11.1
"New app" series for the weekly newsletter on news.o.o being planned, one for GNOME and one for KDE
Who volunteers for writing (1 per week, so with rotation we can do great) about some cool new app/feature being added that week?
Dropping and adding packages
libsvg and libsvg-cairo dropped this week
glitz in the process of being dropped
Galago stuff will be moved to G:C or dropped
Is ntfs-config still of any interest?
For others, see thread on opensuse-gnome(a)opensuse.org
1-click install of GNOME 2.24 for 11.0
Building not done, so not much progress here
Next meeting agenda
We need a 11.0 bugs review
Using bugzilla for community tasks
Contrib followup
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Hello,
i'm using the en,de-Version from the Wiki, and the Buildservice. The
Problem is, if i logged in in en.opensuse.org and logging me into
de.opensuse.org, the session in the en-Wiki is closed.
Is it possible to make for any Part of the Webside an own Cookie?
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