On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 10:04 +0100, Susanne Oberhauser wrote:

Pascal Bleser writes:

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It IS part of the kernel, but (at least on my system... I did not update yet to the 2.6.27.5 kernel) the version is older than what is shipped in the 2.0 beta client (2.0.0-440 vs 2.0.0-504 from the client)

Ouch, so now it means that there is no way to upgrade the KMP as it will conflict with the kernel package :(

ko modules from KMPs go to a different location (/lib/modules/$kernel/updates) so they don't conflict.

Yes, I'm sure KMPs can still be used.. but they don't exist ;)

non-oss repos on build.opensuse.org is an interesting idea.

I was actually referring to the already existing non-oss repository of the openSUSE distribution, but a (maybe exceptional permission) to host NCL on OBS would be fantastic!

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It does sound quite hopeless, tried in the past already. Seems that the Novell Client for Linux is developed by the part of Novell that doesn't care at all about openSUSE.

'not at all' is too strong -- it's about priorities and about risk:

Sounds maybe to strong, but from all the bugreports I was involved for NCL in the last months, it sounds almost realistic :(

openSUSE has no support or QOS commitments whatsoever, and no API commitments, nothing. It's a world in its own and there is a lot of goodwill but nobody would buy a great car if you *maybe* get it fixed, which is if someone happens to be interested in fixing it.

So if Novell officially commits to support a product on top of openSUSE, and some bug that shows in the product actually needs a fix in the base OS, then the users are bad off.

Give as much support to the novell client as to openSUSE itself. I'm sure not everybody is going to install it in an office environment. Some are geeky (like Pascal and me :) ) and we want to be able to perform our work on our latest greatest platforms (after all: I already use 11.1 in prod environment... 'using' is the best way to spot bugs. Even though it requires some background knowledge in order to circumvent some appearing bugs.

That's why. It's actually a "we do care": we care about the implications.

I agree, though, a 'beta' release with goodwill commitments could be a Good Thing.

A repository containing NCL, that actually can be installed (without many symlinking tricks) would be a great step in this direction. And I promise I would submit all the bugs I can find ;) After all: NCL will probably bi shipped on CODE11 anyhow; CODE11 will be (mostly) based off openSUSE 11.1. So all the reports you get now for openSUSE 11.1 together with NCL can already be treated before SLE goes out of the door. I think THAT should be a good motivation, isn't it? Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org