November 2008

[opensuse-project] openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes, Nov19
by Michael Loeffler 02 Dec '08

02 Dec '08

openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes Nov 19th, 8pm - 10:30pm CET Participants: Federico Mena Quintero (federico1) Hendrik Vogelsang (henne) Michael Löffler (michl) Bryen Yunashko (suseROCKs) Pascal Bleser (yaloki) Joe Brockmeier (zonker), for the 1 hour Advisory Board Zonker suggested to have an advisory board to enhance direct communication with sponsors. This board shouldn't be limited to sponsors ony but open to people having interest in openSUSE. This is kind of additional value for sponsor … [View More]and was brought up by company which show interest to sponsor openSUSE. Discussion about pros and cons. Just for political reason, does it works, what is the benefit? Adds two-way for interaction and exchange for sponsors and people with a key role. It may add bureaucracy to the project also. At what cost does an advisory board comes? The existence of such a Board filled with nice names may add prestige, visibility and credibility to the project. openSUSE deserves some broader backing that we have today. Would this make a legal entity for openSUSE necessary? The board couldn't come to a clear yes or no. This need some more discussion and the role of an advisory needs to be described in detail. We agreed having the discussion on the board list till Friday and then move it to -project to get feedback. AI: michl to send sponsor agreement to the rest of Board members Member Approval 36 approved 14 rejected 14 need additional review to reach 3 times + or - suseRocks came up with the idea to send the reject one a friendly mail and offer kind of mentorship to show them how to become a future openSUSE member suseROCKS is willing to handle the reject mails, henne does the approval mails, we post for volunteers for a mentor program on -project Discussion of the hard ones: Does upstream contributino qualifies to become a member? For openSUSE related stuff like infrastructure (eg. OBS) yes, for software (KDE, Mono) no. But we shoudn't be "Heiliger als der Papst" (more catholic than the pope). All need to finish voting by Monday Nov 24 Action Items Membership scripting WIP by Henne, probably done by Friday this week AI: henne, post meeting logs to board wiki Thank you letter to the election committee AI: michl to write one personally to the members of the committee + public post + ping zonker on gifts Board Introductory letter AI: suseROCKs Board Blog We'd like to have our own blog. Lizards does not offer RSS feed tied to an author. Own board tag - but fear of abuse and press don't like it. We may need to set up our own wordpress on board.o.o - takes too long Why not using news.o.o? Using news.o.o found broad acceptance. We start using that an see if it works out. openSUSE conference Michl shared the information that zonker is planning an openSUSE conference in summer 2009 targeted to developers and packagers. SUSE has now for years an internal SUSELabs conference in the Czech Republic where around 100 developers gather to meet each other, exchange information, do some hacking and to have fun. The idea is to extent this event to the community. Probably it takes place in the Prague or Nuremberg area as we so make it easy for many SUSE developers to attend the conference which the conference will benefit from. Next meeting Dec 3, chaired by yaloki -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org [View Less]

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE GNOME meeting (2008/11/20)
by Rodrigo Moya 21 Nov '08

21 Nov '08

Contrib and G:C update • Judging from recent ML threads, there's increased interest on Contrib • Discussion about G:C drops/updates/moves in G:C on the opensuse-gnome ML: • packages obsoleted by ones in factory (banshee, f-spot, pidgin, python stuff, tomboy, tasque) • other obsoleted (gnome-vfs-obexftp) • If no more feedback by Monday, all this will be done Promotion of GNOME within openSUSE 11.1 • Addition of opensuse-specific developer info to GNOME wiki (http://live.gnome.org) Wiki work • … [View More]

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[opensuse-project] Projects
by Joop Boonen 20 Nov '08

20 Nov '08

All, I was looking via: http://software.opensuse.org/search trough different packages in OBS. I saw that there quite a few duplicate projects. Some with identical new versions and some with old versions. I saw there are also quite a few overlaps with the fwbuilder package that I also have in OBS. So I'm wondering if there is a way to consolidate packages in groups so that more people can put effort in building packages and bundle their knowledge to get the best out of it. Currently a lot of … [View More]

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[opensuse-project] Linux in 5 seconds
by Rajko M. 15 Nov '08

15 Nov '08

... Within five seconds of turning on this $360 USD gaming/enthusiast motherboard, you can be using Linux and surfing the Internet ... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=869&num=1 Majority of users are still keep computer on only when needed. Fast boot option would make Linux serious alternative for them. Test hardware on installation, configure it once, ask user is there anything to change, put that in fast loadable image like Live CD, make it default GRUB … [View More]

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Re: [opensuse-project] Novell internal programs on NON-OSS repository? (ie Novell Client)
by Joe Harmon 12 Nov '08

12 Nov '08

On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 11:51 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote: > > Really. I suppose you had a look at this bug already: > > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262319 > > We tried to get this __really__ fixed.. no avail so far :-( it seems > to me there are not enough resources ... It has been available for quite a long time. http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=au3IFDRvnCA~ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For … [View More]

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Re: [opensuse-project] Novell internal programs onNON-OSSrepository? (ie Novell Client)
by Dominique Leuenberger 11 Nov '08

11 Nov '08

>>From: Joe Harmon <jharmon@> >> are you sure about this? the 2.0 beta client for example installs on a >> 11.1 beta system (I'm on beta 5) with some hurdles (some symlinking). >> But the novfs for example simply can't compile (the client ships with >> 2.0.0-504, whereas in the kernel, 2.6.27.5 is 2.0.0-440). > >The 2.0 client includes novell-novfs which will cause problems during the install because novfs is already in the kernel (since openSUSE >11.… [View More]

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Re: [opensuse-project] Novell internal programs on NON-OSS repository? (ie Novell Client)
by Susanne Oberhauser 11 Nov '08

11 Nov '08

"Joe Harmon" <jharmon(a)novell.com> writes: > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 10:04 +0100, Susanne Oberhauser wrote: >> > It does sound quite hopeless, tried in the past already. Seems that >> > the Novell Client for Linux is developed by the part of Novell that >> > doesn't care at all about openSUSE. I didn't say this, I quoted it to disagree with it. > I don't agree with this statement. If we didn't care about openSUSE > then we wouldn't develop to it. … [View More]

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Re: [opensuse-project] Novell internal programs on NON-OSS repository? (ie Novell Client)
by Dominique Leuenberger 11 Nov '08

11 Nov '08

On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 10:08 -0700, Joe Harmon wrote: > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 10:04 +0100, Susanne Oberhauser wrote: > > > It does sound quite hopeless, tried in the past already. Seems that > > > the Novell Client for Linux is developed by the part of Novell that > > > doesn't care at all about openSUSE. > > I don't agree with this statement. If we didn't care about openSUSE then > we wouldn't develop to it. And we ran into other issues with the kmp > … [View More]

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Re: [opensuse-project] Novell internal programs on NON-OSS repository? (ie Novell Client)
by Joe Harmon 11 Nov '08

11 Nov '08

On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 10:04 +0100, Susanne Oberhauser wrote: > > It does sound quite hopeless, tried in the past already. Seems that > > the Novell Client for Linux is developed by the part of Novell that > > doesn't care at all about openSUSE. I don't agree with this statement. If we didn't care about openSUSE then we wouldn't develop to it. And we ran into other issues with the kmp method and putting novfs in the kernel was a benefit to us. I also don't think the different … [View More]

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Re: [opensuse-project] Novell internal programs on NON-OSS repository? (ie Novell Client)
by Dominique Leuenberger 11 Nov '08

11 Nov '08

Hi, On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 12:12 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > Note: novfs is now part of our kernel tree: > pm -qlp kernel-default-2.6.27.5-1.1.i586.rpm |grep novfs > /lib/modules/2.6.27.5-1-default/kernel/fs/novfs > /lib/modules/2.6.27.5-1-default/kernel/fs/novfs/novfs.ko > > So, no need anymore for the kmp. > It IS part of the kernel, but (at least on my system... I did not update yet to the 2.6.27.5 kernel) the version is older than what is shipped in the 2.0 beta … [View More]

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Re: [opensuse-project] Novell internal programs on NON-OSS repository? (ie Novell Client)
by Dominique Leuenberger 11 Nov '08

11 Nov '08

On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 10:04 +0100, Susanne Oberhauser wrote: > Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser(a)opensuse.org> writes: > >> It IS part of the kernel, but (at least on my system... I did not update > >> yet to the 2.6.27.5 kernel) the version is older than what is shipped in > >> the 2.0 beta client (2.0.0-440 vs 2.0.0-504 from the client) > > > > Ouch, so now it means that there is no way to upgrade the KMP as it > > will conflict with the … [View More]kernel package :( > > ko modules from KMPs go to a different location > (/lib/modules/$kernel/updates) so they don't conflict. > Yes, I'm sure KMPs can still be used.. but they don't exist ;) > non-oss repos on build.opensuse.org is an interesting idea. > I was actually referring to the already existing non-oss repository of the openSUSE distribution, but a (maybe exceptional permission) to host NCL on OBS would be fantastic! > > It does sound quite hopeless, tried in the past already. Seems that > > the Novell Client for Linux is developed by the part of Novell that > > doesn't care at all about openSUSE. > > 'not at all' is too strong -- it's about priorities and about risk: > Sounds maybe to strong, but from all the bugreports I was involved for NCL in the last months, it sounds almost realistic :( > openSUSE has no support or QOS commitments whatsoever, and no API > commitments, nothing. It's a world in its own and there is a lot of > goodwill but nobody would buy a great car if you *maybe* get it fixed, > which is if someone happens to be interested in fixing it. > > So if Novell officially commits to support a product on top of > openSUSE, and some bug that shows in the product actually needs a fix > in the base OS, then the users are bad off. > Give as much support to the novell client as to openSUSE itself. I'm sure not everybody is going to install it in an office environment. Some are geeky (like Pascal and me :) ) and we want to be able to perform our work on our latest greatest platforms (after all: I already use 11.1 in prod environment... 'using' is the best way to spot bugs. Even though it requires some background knowledge in order to circumvent some appearing bugs. > That's why. It's actually a "we do care": we care about the > implications. > > I agree, though, a 'beta' release with goodwill commitments could be a > Good Thing. A repository containing NCL, that actually can be installed (without many symlinking tricks) would be a great step in this direction. And I promise I would submit all the bugs I can find ;) After all: NCL will probably bi shipped on CODE11 anyhow; CODE11 will be (mostly) based off openSUSE 11.1. So all the reports you get now for openSUSE 11.1 together with NCL can already be treated before SLE goes out of the door. I think THAT should be a good motivation, isn't it? Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org [View Less]

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes, Nov 5th
by Michael Loeffler 10 Nov '08

10 Nov '08

The new openSUSE Board had its first meeting together with the people from the old board to hand over what's to do, old action items and to answer questions. Here are the meeting minutes of that meeting. openSUSE Board Meeting "Passing the torch" Nov 5th, 19:00 - 21:00 UTC via IRC on freenode Participants: Andreas Jaeger (AJaeger), Francis Giannaros (apokryphos), Stephan Kulow (coolo), Federico Mena Quintero (federico1), Hendrik Vogelsang (henne), Michael Löffler (michl), Bryen Yunashko (… [View More]suseROCKs), Pascal Bleser (yaloki) General: *Who will chair this one? We agreed on a rotation in an alphabetical order, this meeting chaired by michl, next one by suseROCKs. *Who will take minutes? Michl volunteered to take minutes for every board meeting and publish them after review by the board. For confidentiality see below. *Additional topics? - zonker's presence short discussion about pros and cons about inviting him per default Result: we invite zonker if topics relevant for him are to be covered. This should be anyway the case for everybody, eg. if we talk about the Build Service we should invite adrian to the meeting *unfinished AIs - around 60 to 80 member requests in the queue, this should be processed as soon as possible - AJeager gave an overview about the process Process for member approval: - users register at users.o.o and apply for membership - somebody (aj so far) transfers to the board wiki - Everybody votes in the board wiki. - Somebody approves/rejects on users.o.o and updates the wiki The process is not ideal as it requires much manual work, esp. verification is very time consuming AI: henne to evaluate improvement of that process and users.opensuse.org (cloaks etc.) AI: all go through the list of current member requests for approval AI: all check where the process can be improved and who can do/own it AI: AJeager to import members requests from o.o.users to the board wiki We will freeze new applications, work through the pile of current requests and improve the process. Needs announcement and and we agreed to freeze till Dec 31. AI: michl write announcement and circulate on the list *Passing the torch - board.opensuse.org login and passwort to the ml, happy editing AI henne: get the password of board.o.o changed "Confidentiality of discussions and mail traffic" The issue of confidentiality quickly zeroed in on transparency and what is to be considered an adequate level of transparency. With the options being either a) publish full logs of meetings or b) provide detailed summary of meetings. We agreed on publishing meeting minutes in a summary format after each meeting. Henne provided the opposing vote in favour of full log publication. We agreed on publishing meeting minutes in a summary form after each meeting on opensuse-project. Henne wanted to publish logs but couldn't convince the rest. *New board discussion - sharing of data - telephone, email etc? We exchanged phone numbers and email addresses to assure reachability amongst us. - when and how to meet? Private /public meetings? bi-weekly meetings, on Wednesday after project meeting at 1900 UTC Uups, we missed to talk about public meetings. Need to cover that in next Board Meeting AI: michl to send out a reminder 1 day in advance - Mailinglist AI: henne to cleanup mailing list (remove former board members) Next Board meeting on Nov 19, 1900 UTC Chair: suseROCKs -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org [View Less]

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[opensuse-project] Novell internal programs on NON-OSS repository? (ie Novell Client)
by Dominique Leuenberger 10 Nov '08

10 Nov '08

Hi everybody, Once more I would like to raise an issue with the Novell Client for Linux. On 11.1 (Factory) I managed to install the beta version for 11.0. Besides some hacks to circumvent some dependencies, I could install it and 'logging in' to the tree is possible. Nevertheless, copying files to a serever is not possible (df shows 0 bytes free... which I hope is only a joke). The issue might come from the fact that novfs kernel module from the linux client would be a later version, but … [View More]

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[opensuse-project] tv cards settings
by manchette 09 Nov '08

09 Nov '08

Hello, is it possible to have the opensuse project include in its tv card installer the right source to get data from ? it looks like the installers often times do not do their job properly for Yast does not have all tv cards in it, so why do not directly use a list up to date and take it where it is the freshest ? : tv modules sources according to each kernel gives an up to date information of the supported tv cards for one kernel , therefore it seems a good choice to get the data from … [View More]

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[opensuse-project] （无主题）
by Kevin Yin 09 Nov '08

09 Nov '08

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Re: [opensuse-project] Wiki sub domain for Indonesian
by Pascal Bleser 08 Nov '08

08 Nov '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Masim "Vavai" Sugianto wrote: > On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser(a)opensuse.org>wrote: >> I think that the right person to contact is Martin Lasarsch (CC'd >> although he's subscribed here too ;)). >> >> Martin, if it isn't you, I would be interested to know the right person >> to poke ;D > > Martin has previously contacted me ;-) Ah, good :) >> Just please please … [View More]

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[opensuse-project] Wiki sub domain for Indonesian
by Masim "Vavai" Sugianto 08 Nov '08

08 Nov '08

Sorry for spreading this around the opensuse-project. I've sent this to marketing list but maybe I missed that the topic most likely related to opensuse-project. ***** Hi All, I'm trying to push documentation and localization in Indonesian but found no sub domain for Indonesian wiki (id.opensuse.org) How to contact wiki maintainer and what is the requirement to get the sub domain ? According to http://en.opensuse.org/Translation_Team, it seems that Bahasa Indonesia get enough to fit with … [View More]

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE GNOME meeting (2008/11/6)
by Rodrigo Moya 06 Nov '08

06 Nov '08

Contrib and G:C update Contrib is getting renewal effort by yaloki Lots of issues (policies) need discussion (opensuse-contrib(a)opensuse.org) Anything not in OSS and stable enough is a good candidate for Contrib Some limitations already clear: • no packages that require updates in FACTORY http://en.opensuse.org/Contrib Promotion of GNOME within the context of openSUSE 11.1 "New app" series for the weekly newsletter on news.o.o being planned, one for GNOME and one for KDE Who volunteers for … [View More]

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[opensuse-project] Cookies in opensuse.org
by Sascha Manns 01 Nov '08

01 Nov '08

Hello, i'm using the en,de-Version from the Wiki, and the Buildservice. The Problem is, if i logged in in en.opensuse.org and logging me into de.opensuse.org, the session in the en-Wiki is closed. Is it possible to make for any Part of the Webside an own Cookie? -- Sincereley yours Sascha Manns Open-News-Network e.V. Web: http://saschamanns.gulli.to -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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