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Board meeting minutes for 2023-06-05
by Neal Gompa 05 Jun '23

05 Jun '23

Today's meeting notes are also available here: https://en.opensuse.org/Archive:Board_meeting_2023-06-05 = Board Meeting Monday 2023-06-05 13:00 CEST = * Present: Doug, Gertjan, Mau, Neal, Patrick * Excused: Gerald * Missed: * This week's report to be sent by: Neal * Guests: Attila == Gerald not able to join today's meeting == * Unavailable for personal reasons (and "off" for 2 weeks, though that's not the reason for not being able to join) * Provided as much input up front as possible; will try to follow-up quickly == Neutrality of the Board == Mau called for a vote for the openSUSE Board not to be "neutral" but actively participate in the protection of community members, particularly minorities and protected classes, in line with the openSUSE Code of Conduct. This does not mean being "impartial" when called to mediate a conflict resolution between two or more community members. Question for vote: Are you in favor for the openSUSE Board to not be "neutral" but actively participate in the protection of community members (especially to support minorities and protected classes) in line with the openSUSE Code of Conduct? This recognizes that the Board remains "impartial" when called to mediate conflicts between participants in the openSUSE Project. * AGREED: (5, 0, 0) for this vote ** (N.B.: Gerald noted ahead of this meeting he was in favor.) == Immediate actions == Question for vote: Should we permanently ban the bad-faith actors that have inflamed the community in negative discourse? * AGREED: (5, 0, 0) for this vote Question for vote: Should we weaken the punishments meted out for those responding to the bad faith actors? * AGREED: (4, 1, 0) for this vote ** N.B.: Gertjan abstained Question for vote: Should we rescind the punishments meted out for those responding to the bad faith actors? * REJECTED: (0, 1, -4) for this vote ** N.B.: Gertjan abstained Question for vote: Should we offer the alternative of giving a public apology (acknowledge they're wrong, why they're wrong, and how they'd try to do better) instead of moderation? * AGREED: (4, 1, 0) for this vote ** N.B.: Gertjan abstained Question for vote: Should we properly distinguish between temporary bans and permanent bans when classifying punishment for misconduct? * AGREED: (5, 0, 0) for this vote == Next steps == * Reach out to moderated community members and provide an explanation and an apology for not having done it sooner. ** This needs to be done now. ** Tell moderated community members that a public statement from the Board will be issued soon * Release a public statement: ** what was done ** mistakes made ** what are we going to do to improve the situation ** apology = Board Meeting end at 14:00 CEST = -- Neal Gompa (ID: Pharaoh_Atem)

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Community Meetings: Week 23
by ddemaio 05 Jun '23

05 Jun '23

Hi all, We will have a community meetings this week. Meeting 1 is scheduled for Tuesday at 14:30 UTC (60 minutes). Meeting 2 is schedule for Thursday at 19:00 UTC. I will not be at Meeting 2 this week. On Wednesday, we are expecting the release of openSUSE Leap 15.5. You can find meeting notes at https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/weeklymeeting and the meeting takes place in https://meet.opensuse.org/meeting You can see a list of the items where project's need help at https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/help v/r Doug

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Board meeting minutes for 2023-05-22
by Neal Gompa 05 Jun '23

05 Jun '23

These were delayed due to travel to oSC, but here it is now. https://en.opensuse.org/Archive:Board_meeting_2023-05-22 = Board Meeting Monday 2023-05-22 13:00 CEST = * Present: Patrick, Gerald. Gertjan, Neal * Excused: Mau * Missed: Doug * This week's report to be sent by: Neal * Guests: Luna Jernberg (bittin), Marcel R == oSC23 == * in Nuremberg later this week :) * Neal, Gerald, Gertjan, Patrick, and Doug will be there. * and Luna (for the first time IRL) == openSUSE Asia Summit 2023 == * China was choosen by the openSUSE.Asia Summit committee and the dates will be: 21-23th October 2023 == Geeko Foundation == Patrick brought up monetary contribution setup and terms for recognition. Initial thoughts by Patrick: with the creation of Geeko Foundation, I think we need to look at a membership structure for the Foundation, such as: - Member - Supporter ($) - Contributor - Event Sponsor ($) - Project Sponsor ($) - Foundation Sponsor ($) and so on. Some back and forth on specific terminology ensued, will be discussed further F2F at oSC23. == Donation based Social Contract == #Deferred to next meeting * Should openSUSE have social based contract, something like https://sfosc.org/docs/social-contracts/donation/ * The trademark, patent and license sections will probably need to be reworked = Board Meeting Ended at 2023-05-22 13:28 CEST = -- Neal Gompa (ID: Pharaoh_Atem)

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Codices of Conduct: A fundamental critique
by Wouter Onebekend 05 Jun '23

05 Jun '23

Hello, We've recently had a bit of a tussle on the Factory list over LGBT flags, on the OpenSUSE subreddit to put it mildly. In that tussle, the code of conduct was used as a very blunt instrument in a bid to silence people who disagreed with flying such flags and/or forcing people to fly flags in general. I'd like to share a few observations about codices of conduct in general and the OpenSUSE one in particular (point 6 does not apply to it) that allow the very abuse we have seen: 1) The definitions of good and bad behavior are vague allowing for a lot of executive discretion in constructing actions or utterances as violations. 2) Enforcement is intransparent and arbitrary. There's a moderation team with "processes in place". Processes that are not even public! Determining and sanctioning violations is at the sole discretion of the executive (moderation team and openSUSE board - I'm not sure if these two are even separate/overlap free). 3) There is no appeal to an independent authority. The executive is judge, jury, executioner and authority for appeals. 4) It is insanely broad in scope: "openSUSE reserves the right to take actions against behaviors that happen in any context, if they are deemed to be relevant to the openSUSE project and its participants.". Yes, you can totally be Brendan Eiched for donating to the wrong political party under that rule. 5) Snitching is confidential and there are no codified repercussions to wrongly accusing or smearing somebody that way. 6) [This is not the case in the OpenSUSE code of conduct]: there usually is a err-on-the-side-of-caution clause that mandates removing people deemed in violation even while their guilt or innocence is still being determined. That is a reversal of the legal convention "innocent until proven guilty" democratic states have been operating on since Roman times. In summary I think codices of conduct are a horrible idea and should be done away with. They are regularly abused to force people to agree with or at least never speak out against the political ideology termed 'woke'. They create a climate of fear and division that simply has not existed before. Everyone is on constant notice, and has to weigh their words very carefully. Except for the ideologue themselves. They can abuse and denigrate everyone who speaks up against their ideology at will and will face zero repercussions for it. Regards, An Anonymous Techie

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Reminder meeting : openSUSE Board meeting next Monday (13:00 Europe/Berlin)
by openSUSE Meeting Reminder 03 Jun '23

03 Jun '23

Hello all, The biweekly board conf call will be held in two days at 13:00 Europe/Berlin time (CET = UTC+1) Meeting will be in the regular Board Meeting Room https://meet.opensuse.org/OSBoard Current Topics: https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Board Members: If you cannot participate, please advise by replying to this mail.

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Leap 15.5 update
by Lubos Kocman 01 Jun '23

01 Jun '23

Hello openSUSE! I just received a heads up that SLES 15 SP5 has a confirmed GMC. So big congratulations to the SLES team. This implies that the Leap 15.5 build which is currently being cooked in OBS is our (first) Gold Master Candidate. So far everything suggests that we can keep up with the current https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap and have GA on June 7th. These are currently top issues under our radar https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Most_annoying_bugs_15.5 See you at the oSC2023! Best regards Lubos Kocman openSUSE Leap Release Manager

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