August 2021 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Migrating contents wikis --> new docs
by Adrien Glauser 16 Aug '21

16 Aug '21

Hi folks, We want to migrate all relevant contents from the wikis to the new docs, but we don't have time to flip through every single wiki entry. The help would be: 1) identify relevant contents 2) flag / mark the relevant contents on the wikis that they are going to be migrated 3) report to us and help us migrate gracefully (i.e. check the contents, format them, merge them, and finally replace them on the relevant wiki pages with a single link pointing to their new location) Can some of you help? Can you put us in touch with someone who can? Who can? Some definitions to avoid misunderstandings: wikis := everything under https://en.opensuse.org/ news docs := https://github.com/openSUSE/openSUSE-docs-revamped-temp (soon on oS' Pagure instance) migrate := *remove* from, add to relevant contents := contents which: - apply to Tumbleweed - are up-to-date - overlap any of https://github.com/openSUSE/openSUSE-docs-revamped-temp/blob/dev/ToC.md, live at https://opensuse.github.io/openSUSE-docs-revamped-temp/index.html - have decent writing quality - have decent presentation qualities - are thorough and / or user-friendly Examples that meet all these conditions to fix ideas: https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Installation_on_external_hard_drive, https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Installing_a_Printer, https://en.opensuse.org/Systemd-networkd "Category:SDB" in particular is very interesting to us. We want to be done with this by the end of next month (30th of September) so please do let us know if you can do anything to help us. Thanks in advance, Gratefully yours, Adrien PS: Why remove anything from the wikis? Because not removing creates a redundancy that over time will become a dead weight as the GitHub/Pagure docs will keep improving as the wikis decay (if you think you can prove me wrong, let me know, there is certainly some work you can help us with :D)

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Regular Community Meeting: July 31
by ddemaio 16 Aug '21

16 Aug '21

Hi all, I wanted to send out an email before this Saturday's regular scheduled meeting. The meeting will take place at 17:00 UTC. With the deactivation of connect.o.o., I think this Saturday would be a good time to go over the membership application process we have established using connect.o.o. (https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members) and identify processes we will need to change so that we have a procedure established for when connect.o.o. goes offline. Last week we completed the software.o.o. proposal. I hope to give a status update on this during the Aug. 21 meeting. I'll be on holiday for the next couple meetings following this Saturday's meeting. Meeting Details Date: Saturday, July 31 Time: Meeting at 17:00 UTC Location: https://meet.opensuse.org/meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/weeklymeeting20210731 [1] Moderator: Doug Leader: Doug Supporters: attendees Topic: (Default Topic is completely a social meeting) connect.o.o and membership processes A copy of meeting notes will be sent to opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org after the end of the meeting. v/r Doug Links: ------ [1] https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/weeklymeeting20210724

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Reminder meeting : openSUSE Board meeting next Monday (13:00 Europe/Berlin)
by openSUSE Meeting Reminder 16 Aug '21

16 Aug '21

Hello all, The biweekly board conf call will be held in two days at 13:00 Europe/Berlin Meeting will be in the regular Board Meeting Room https://meet.opensuse.org/OSBoard Current Topics: https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Board Members: If you cannot participate, please advise by replying to this mail.

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lifecycle wiki page
by ddemaio 16 Aug '21

16 Aug '21

Hi all, There was a recent post on reddit (https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/m1xl56/is_opensuse_leap_ready_to_be…) that made us take a look at how to present our lifecycle page (https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime) and info to be added to the marketing of Leap 15.3. There were several comments on reddit that can be summarized as there is a lack of clear information on how long the lifecycle of Leap 15.x will be going forward. When the info on https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime was originally written, there was some clarity on major versions lasting a minimum of 36 months. We know Leap 42 and 15 exceeded that lifecycle. It looks like we're at a point where we evolved and need to provide a bit more clarity for people based on the reddit comments I propose we change the lifecycle page to include the following sentences and include the info in the marketing of Leap 15.3 and beyond (for the foreseeable future): Leap *Major Release* (15.x) extends maintenance and support until a successor. At present, a successor has not been declared; Leap 15's lifecycle fully aligns with SUSE Linux Enterprise. There is a projection as of March 2021 that Leap 15 will extend to Leap 15.5. Both major versions of Leap 42 and 15 were supported more than 36 months. Any thoughts, changes, removals or additions to the above sentences. v/r Doug

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Evergreen, where has the Long Term Support gone...
by Chuck Payne 16 Aug '21

16 Aug '21

Good morning, So, question. We use to have Evergreen which was going to be our LTS version, so that when a distro reached the magical .3 in the release, we could switch to Evergreen. I haven't seen anything on it in while, has Evergreen stopped? Do we not have any LTS version? I am switching a lot of systems from openSUSE 42.3 to 15.3, and I am saddened by the number of software packages that seem to have been removed. One of the reasons I started using SuSE back in the day was, it had the most packages, which was awesome. Here is an example, Nginx has a log of module packages that are no longer there. Oh, please don't tell me to go too software.opensuse.org, is great only if people keep their software up-to-date. I don't know how many packages I have found only to get that it going to do break major things. Even Tumbleweed seems to be losing packages. Did I miss something? -- Terror PUP a.k.a Chuck "PUP" Payne ----------------------------------------- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- openSUSE -- Terrorpup openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein Register Linux Userid: 155363 openSUSE Community Member since 2008.

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Minutes for board meeting 2021-08-02
by Vinzenz Vietzke 11 Aug '21

11 Aug '21

Hi all, here are the minutes for the board's meeting on 2021-08-02. They are on the wiki as well. [1] = Board Meeting Minutes 2021-08-02 1300 CEST = Attendees: Axel, Gertjan, Gerald, Neal, Simon, Vinz Excused: Syds Minutes: Vinz Guests: Attila, Maurizio, Orunalp Sezer Topics from https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting == Teams and Sharing/Communications == https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issue/25 * Board has been working on transparency, task tracking, meeting minutes etc. * Question is how to encourage other teams to the same route * Last attempt tried in 2020 to ask for reportings of other teams failed * Question to the community: how can the communication sharing with others be improved? == Membership Solution == https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issue/24 * TDF is working on a membership solution * AI Gertjan: Issue will be handed over to heroes for FYI reasons, added syncing with Marina and Lars == openSUSE Asia Summit == https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issue/21 * Issue can be closed, topic is handled Meeting closed 13:55 CEST Cheers, vinz. [1] https://en.opensuse.org/Archive:Board_meeting_2021-08-02

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[opensuse-project] Can one manually become a "Member Emeritus"
by Stefan Seyfried 09 Aug '21

09 Aug '21

Hi all, after reading https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members, I understand that I can cancel my membership status with immediate effect and forever. To become a "Member Emeritus", with a "way back" into the community in case things might turn good again, I have to wait for the status request and just not respond to it. But the last such request was almost 3 years ago. IIUC I need to stop all actions on the mailing lists (might be a good idea ;-)) and packaging (not so good) for the bot to pick me up. So is there a manual procedure to follow to become "Member Emeritus"? Best regards, Stefan -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Licenses for open source docs (was: Migrating contents wikis --> new docs)
by Gerald Pfeifer 09 Aug '21

09 Aug '21

On Fri 2021-08-06, Richard Brown wrote: > I also think the GPLv3 is a bloody stupid license for use for > documentation. What is your personal preference / recommendation to open source projects when it comes to licensing documentation? > Regardless though, your point is irrelevant to the topic at hand > - the wikis license and doc.openSUSE.orgs license are different > with competing clauses Sadly the FSF has done a bad job keeping their key licenses compatible. For example in GCC we've been suffering from GPLv3 vs GFDL which has made it unnecessarily hard to move documentation snippets (such as descriptions for command-line options) between code to docs. From a practical perspective I am wondering whether having the same license for all/most aspects of a project - code, docs, web pages,... might be best? Gerald

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openSUSE Leap 15.4 roadmap
by Lubos Kocman 04 Aug '21

04 Aug '21

Hello openSUSE! I'd like to share with you an initial roadmap for Leap 15.4 https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap As you would expect, the openSUSE Leap 15.4 roadmap is heavily influenced by the SLE 15 SP4 schedule. We essentially have to have the same deadlines by the binary-identical design. If anything changes on the SLE side we would then have to reflect the change as well. There are a few things I'd like to mention. There will be extra time for the GM availability compared to 15.4. We have to wait for SLE GM, and the current proposal would give us less than a week if we'd aim for the usual Wednesday. There is an explicit listing of early heads up to the openSUSE maintenance when we have Beta available. This is to kickstart early maintenance setup testing to avoid similar update issues we've seen in 15.3. Engineering interlock that will happen in about a month from now is also explicitly listed. Commitment from teams could help us to figure out whether we can get sufficient support for features such as https://code.opensuse.org/leap/features/issue/26 What would make sense additionally is to track Quartlery Update image refreshes for both 15.3 and 15.4. See recent openSUSE Release team meeting minutes for more context about QU. Thank you very much Lubos Kocman openSUSE Leap Release Manager

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Reminder meeting : openSUSE Board meeting next Monday (13:00 Europe/Berlin)
by openSUSE Meeting Reminder 02 Aug '21

02 Aug '21

Hello all, The biweekly board conf call will be held in two days at 13:00 Europe/Berlin Meeting will be in the regular Board Meeting Room https://meet.opensuse.org/OSBoard Current Topics: https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Board Members: If you cannot participate, please advise by replying to this mail.

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