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[opensuse-project] yast improvments proposal
by Michael Fox 13 Mar '09

13 Mar '09

Hi all, recently i read that the hardest wall to linux adoption is software installation so i got to thinking how this could be improved. now on OpenSuSE new users will download an rpm (or deb) and think like on windows they have to double click on it, and ofcourse that dosn't work, so he goes looking for an app to do so and finds "install software" under computer thinks fair enough but once he opens he wonders "what the hell is this!!??" "i just want to install the file i downloaded!!!" so i propose adding an "install from file" module that ties into the current method, say just bellow search, have install from file, and when the rpm is loaded it checks its deps and searches the repos for them and adds them to be installed, then it installs the deps, then the rpm, killing 2 birds with 1 stone, deps problem and rpm usage. Now i said module as it should be able to run stand alone like 1-click-install,m so when you double click on the rpm, it will bring up an installation dialogue displaying deps installed and ones that are missing, this will make software installation a hell of alot easier Now here is the delicate part and why this mail is here. we need to have support for debs off the bat, but still be dominantly rpm as lets face it a lot of apps only provide debs and we need some way to support them as forcing a new user to compile is not nice at all and hampers the usability of Linux hence holding the person back from fully adopting Linux. So lets be the fore-bearers in destroying this brick wall :) -- Michael Fox Developer and user of Blender3d www.blender.org mfoxdogg(a)gmail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Update: download.opensuse.org Restored
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 13 Mar '09

13 Mar '09

Good news, everybody! The download.opensuse.org and stage.opensuse.org systems are now fully restored, and all services should now be available. DNS has been changed to point to the new system from widehat, which is standing by in the event that the new system were to go down. We also have a second system that will be configured to back up download.opensuse.org and stage.opensuse.org in the near future. We apologize for any inconvenience. The openSUSE infrastructure is one of our top priorities. As mentioned previously, we will continue improving the openSUSE Project infrastructure and working to ensure that we have as little downtime as possible. Thanks much to Peter Poeml for his work over the last two days to resolve this situation, as well as Christian Schneemann, Nat Friedman and his team, and everyone else who jumped to get this fixed as quickly as possible. We appreciate the patience and words of encouragement to the openSUSE team while this was being fixed. Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] yast improvments proposal
by Piotrek Juzwiak 13 Mar '09

13 Mar '09

Piotrek Juzwiak wrote: > Michael Fox wrote: > >> On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 19:12 -0500, Alberto Passalacqua wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Michael, >>> >>> Il giorno gio, 12/03/2009 alle 10.25 +1100, Michael Fox ha scritto: >>> >>> >>>> so i propose adding an "install from file" module that ties into the >>>> current method, say just bellow search, have install from file, and when >>>> the rpm is loaded it checks its deps and searches the repos for them and >>>> adds them to be installed, then it installs the deps, then the rpm, >>>> killing 2 birds with 1 stone, deps problem and rpm usage. >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> Now i said module as it should be able to run stand alone like >>>> 1-click-install,m so when you double click on the rpm, it will bring up >>>> an installation dialogue displaying deps installed and ones that are >>>> missing, this will make software installation a hell of alot easier >>>> >>>> >> ok my bad, you can double click and it works :S(been a while since i >> tried as the old one never worked), but i still think an install from >> file option in yast2 is still needed >> >> >> >> >>>> Now here is the delicate part and why this mail is here. we need to have >>>> support for debs off the bat, but still be dominantly rpm >>>> as lets face it a lot of apps only provide debs and we need some way to >>>> support them as forcing a new user to compile is not nice at all and >>>> hampers the usability of Linux hence holding the person back from fully >>>> adopting Linux. >>>> >>>> >> I still believe this is a major issue with linux adoption, especially >> openSuSE adoption since we are predominatly rpm based and most other >> distros are using debs >> >> > Regarding the .deb files, making it easier to install might create a > chaos. One example, package for the same application in debian/ubuntu > was built against python2.5 etc. and Ubuntu doesn't have (i might be > wrong) the ability to install 32 bit packages along 64 bit ones. For > example where in openSUSE we have /usr/lib64 and /usr/lib in 64 bit > Ubuntu it is just /usr/lib. So we would have to address this problem but > until Ubuntu/Debian is bilt against the same packages then it's only an > opportunity to create BUG hell. > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] yast improvments proposal
by Alberto Passalacqua 12 Mar '09

12 Mar '09

Il giorno gio, 12/03/2009 alle 19.39 +0530, Amitav Mohanty ha scritto: > I suggest we make a click or some key + click or double click on an rpm > to call rpm -i command. That's already there. But it does not fix dependencies in any way. Regards, A. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] 64 bit kernel in both version of openSUSE 11.2
by Piotrek Juzwiak 12 Mar '09

12 Mar '09

Amitav Mohanty wrote: > I would like to help you in this. I would like a little more elaboration > from you on this. > > Regards > Amitav > > Piotrek Juzwiak wrote: > >> Are there any chances in using a 64 bit kernel for both 32 and 64 bit >> editions of the upcoming openSUSE?? If not then what difficulties are >> stopping to not to do so? I was thinking it would be beneficial to >> maintain only one kernel but i don't know how much hacking would have to >> be performed to run native 32 bit applications on such kernel? >> >> Best Regards >> >> Bender >> >> > > Link fot that feature in Fedora: http://www.h-online.com/open/Fedora-project-plans-to-use-64-bit-and-PAE-ker… It basically boils down to using a 64 bit kernel with 32 bit OS. I understand there would be people having an incompatible CPUs but its a minority tight isn't it? If my memory serves me right every CPU from Intel manufactured after Pentium 3 is 64 bit capable. And since 64 bit kernel incorporates seamless 32 bit support then why not use this one since PAE if i'm not wrong is a problem for developers since it's some sort of a dirty hack :)?? Best -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] 64 bit kernel in both version of openSUSE 11.2
by Piotrek Juzwiak 12 Mar '09

12 Mar '09

Are there any chances in using a 64 bit kernel for both 32 and 64 bit editions of the upcoming openSUSE?? If not then what difficulties are stopping to not to do so? I was thinking it would be beneficial to maintain only one kernel but i don't know how much hacking would have to be performed to run native 32 bit applications on such kernel? Best Regards Bender -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Drivers packaging and OBS repositories
by sda 11 Mar '09

11 Mar '09

----- Forwarded message from sda <dmitry.serpokryl(a)gmail.com> ----- hi, i've got a simple suggestion how to improve the quality of openSUSE distribition in general: let's create a single "Drivers" project, link there all "SUBJ-kmp-*" packages lying around and add an "UPDATE" OBS repos for all supported versions (10.3-11.0-11.1 currently) to that "Drivers" project along with the standard ones. a User then will be sure that the next kernel update won't break the currently working system. it'd be really great if ATI/NVIDIA drivers also stick to that simple rule. right now for example the maintainers of an "AUDIO" project: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/multimedia:/audio:/KMP/ are very kind (huge thanks!) to provide "openSUSE_10.3_Update", "openSUSE_11.0_Update" and "openSUSE_11.1_Update" packages, but it's a bit tricky to understand that: 1) "alsa-kmp-default" can really help if you've got sound issues (which is true here with all modern notebooks i have seen so far) 2) to find this package among others. we have a great places to begin with: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/drivers:/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/driver:/ even there not all "branches" have an "Update repo" option (look at reiser4 for example and others as well). and my idea goes a bit further. for example we have a great "atl1e" package (which is a must for eeepc1000h) and no doubt that hell of a lot of other drivers (including mentioned ATI/NVIDIA) which are not valid for updated kernels. why not to improve the case? thank you for your attention. regards, sda P.S. <Offtopic> another note. Ubuntu for example distribute the hybrid "Broadcom" driver which is really great for a lot of Users (wl.ko): http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php why can't we do the same? ----- End forwarded message ----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Reminder for news.o.o Calendar
by Sascha 'saigkill' Manns 11 Mar '09

11 Mar '09

Hello Mates, actually i'm imported the Calendar from news.o.o. But is it possible to add an autmomatic Reminder (eg 15 Minutes before Meeting)? -- Sincereley yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Marketing Team openSUSE Build Service Web: http://saschamanns.gulli.to Project-Blog: http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/saigkill Private-Blog: http://saschasbacktrace.blogspot.com DISCLAIMER: Please note that in accordance with the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months. http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de http://www.ccc.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Update on openSUSE Infrastructure Services (download.opensuse.org)
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 11 Mar '09

11 Mar '09

We've restored user services to download.opensuse.org and are working to restore all services and add redundancy to the system. The repository inconsistencies last night were caused by a missing configuration on the system, which caused it to redirect requests on metadata to mirrors, which are often outdated. That is now fixed. A few services have not been restored yet. Specifically, Publishing new Factory snapshots is disabled right now, and build server publishing is stopped. These services will be restored when the new system is fully integrated - which we expect to happen by tomorrow. We are copying content to the new system now, which will take about 12 hours. This will also add mirror stage serving to the services offered by download.opensuse.org. When the restore is complete, we will also add redundancy, so the problem of having a backup will be solved. In addition, we're re-examining the openSUSE.org infrastructure to ensure that we reduce the risk of overall and unscheduled downtime. This will be an ongoing process, and we will notify the community of progress here. Thanks for your patience while these issues are taken care of. Thanks to Peter Poeml, Christian Schneemann, Nat Friedman and his team, and everyone else who jumped to get this fixed as quickly as possible. Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Home Server...possible?
by Alberto Passalacqua 11 Mar '09

11 Mar '09

Browsing the net I found this: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/windowshomeserver/featu… Would it be possible to build something similar with openSUSE? In particular, are there backup solutions that allow to backup other PC's automatically with a Windows client too, in a user-friendly manner? The media sharing doesn't seem a problem. Thanks, Alberto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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