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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes, Nov19
by Michael Loeffler 02 Dec '08

02 Dec '08

openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes Nov 19th, 8pm - 10:30pm CET Participants: Federico Mena Quintero (federico1) Hendrik Vogelsang (henne) Michael Löffler (michl) Bryen Yunashko (suseROCKs) Pascal Bleser (yaloki) Joe Brockmeier (zonker), for the 1 hour Advisory Board Zonker suggested to have an advisory board to enhance direct communication with sponsors. This board shouldn't be limited to sponsors ony but open to people having interest in openSUSE. This is kind of additional value for sponsor and was brought up by company which show interest to sponsor openSUSE. Discussion about pros and cons. Just for political reason, does it works, what is the benefit? Adds two-way for interaction and exchange for sponsors and people with a key role. It may add bureaucracy to the project also. At what cost does an advisory board comes? The existence of such a Board filled with nice names may add prestige, visibility and credibility to the project. openSUSE deserves some broader backing that we have today. Would this make a legal entity for openSUSE necessary? The board couldn't come to a clear yes or no. This need some more discussion and the role of an advisory needs to be described in detail. We agreed having the discussion on the board list till Friday and then move it to -project to get feedback. AI: michl to send sponsor agreement to the rest of Board members Member Approval 36 approved 14 rejected 14 need additional review to reach 3 times + or - suseRocks came up with the idea to send the reject one a friendly mail and offer kind of mentorship to show them how to become a future openSUSE member suseROCKS is willing to handle the reject mails, henne does the approval mails, we post for volunteers for a mentor program on -project Discussion of the hard ones: Does upstream contributino qualifies to become a member? For openSUSE related stuff like infrastructure (eg. OBS) yes, for software (KDE, Mono) no. But we shoudn't be "Heiliger als der Papst" (more catholic than the pope). All need to finish voting by Monday Nov 24 Action Items Membership scripting WIP by Henne, probably done by Friday this week AI: henne, post meeting logs to board wiki Thank you letter to the election committee AI: michl to write one personally to the members of the committee + public post + ping zonker on gifts Board Introductory letter AI: suseROCKs Board Blog We'd like to have our own blog. Lizards does not offer RSS feed tied to an author. Own board tag - but fear of abuse and press don't like it. We may need to set up our own wordpress on board.o.o - takes too long Why not using news.o.o? Using news.o.o found broad acceptance. We start using that an see if it works out. openSUSE conference Michl shared the information that zonker is planning an openSUSE conference in summer 2009 targeted to developers and packagers. SUSE has now for years an internal SUSELabs conference in the Czech Republic where around 100 developers gather to meet each other, exchange information, do some hacking and to have fun. The idea is to extent this event to the community. Probably it takes place in the Prague or Nuremberg area as we so make it easy for many SUSE developers to attend the conference which the conference will benefit from. Next meeting Dec 3, chaired by yaloki -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE GNOME meeting (2008/11/20)
by Rodrigo Moya 21 Nov '08

21 Nov '08

Contrib and G:C update • Judging from recent ML threads, there's increased interest on Contrib • Discussion about G:C drops/updates/moves in G:C on the opensuse-gnome ML: • packages obsoleted by ones in factory (banshee, f-spot, pidgin, python stuff, tomboy, tasque) • other obsoleted (gnome-vfs-obexftp) • If no more feedback by Monday, all this will be done Promotion of GNOME within openSUSE 11.1 • Addition of opensuse-specific developer info to GNOME wiki (http://live.gnome.org) Wiki work • Wiki mockup updated soon • Icons are going to be difficult to pull off (tango icons) • Meeting agendas will get more attention Dropping/adding packages • Postponing this to the beginning of 11.2, too late to remove from 11.1 1-click install for 2.24 • Still some build problems preventing ymp creation -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Projects
by Joop Boonen 20 Nov '08

20 Nov '08

All, I was looking via: http://software.opensuse.org/search trough different packages in OBS. I saw that there quite a few duplicate projects. Some with identical new versions and some with old versions. I saw there are also quite a few overlaps with the fwbuilder package that I also have in OBS. So I'm wondering if there is a way to consolidate packages in groups so that more people can put effort in building packages and bundle their knowledge to get the best out of it. Currently a lot of people put a lot of time in "duplicate" packages. I'm wondering wouldn't it be better to start for for instance fwbuilder a security project that can be maintained by joined effort of people? In that way more package can be maintained in OBS I think? If this option if feaseble what is the best way to accomplish this? The project ofcourse needs to be created. Shall the individual OBS builder contact the other OBS builder? Regards, Joop Boonen. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Linux in 5 seconds
by Rajko M. 15 Nov '08

15 Nov '08

... Within five seconds of turning on this $360 USD gaming/enthusiast motherboard, you can be using Linux and surfing the Internet ... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=869&num=1 Majority of users are still keep computer on only when needed. Fast boot option would make Linux serious alternative for them. Test hardware on installation, configure it once, ask user is there anything to change, put that in fast loadable image like Live CD, make it default GRUB boot option. Is answer in software appliances? -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Novell internal programs on NON-OSS repository? (ie Novell Client)
by Joe Harmon 12 Nov '08

12 Nov '08

On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 11:51 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote: > > Really. I suppose you had a look at this bug already: > > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=262319 > > We tried to get this __really__ fixed.. no avail so far :-( it seems > to me there are not enough resources ... It has been available for quite a long time. http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=au3IFDRvnCA~ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Novell internal programs onNON-OSSrepository? (ie Novell Client)
by Dominique Leuenberger 11 Nov '08

11 Nov '08

>>From: Joe Harmon <jharmon@> >> are you sure about this? the 2.0 beta client for example installs on a >> 11.1 beta system (I'm on beta 5) with some hurdles (some symlinking). >> But the novfs for example simply can't compile (the client ships with >> 2.0.0-504, whereas in the kernel, 2.6.27.5 is 2.0.0-440). > >The 2.0 client includes novell-novfs which will cause problems during the install because novfs is already in the kernel (since openSUSE >11.0) With the 2.0 SP1 client that we build for openSUSE 11.0, we removed novell-novfs. However, the 2.0 SP1 client for openSUSE will >not run on openSUSE 11.1 or SLE 11 due to some build issues. We are working on those build issues right now in hopes to soon have a >client for SLE 11 and openSUSE 11.1. This argumentation sound very very flumsy... you report to much to managers I'd say :) As said, the novfs in the kernel is of an older version than the one shipped with NCL2.0SP1 (beta), and the newer novfs does not build (missing asm/semaphore.h, bailing out with semaphore.count afterwards). Besides that, I could install it (--nodeps on novell-xtier, due to libfd version mismatches.. some symlinking fixed it). Login works typically too. Joe, if there is anything anybody from the community can offer for this to move at a higher speed, please speak up. We are plenty out here, some with more, some with less knowledge, but all of us with a lot of will to get our targets moving. Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Novell internal programs on NON-OSS repository? (ie Novell Client)
by Susanne Oberhauser 11 Nov '08

11 Nov '08

"Joe Harmon" <jharmon(a)novell.com> writes: > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 10:04 +0100, Susanne Oberhauser wrote: >> > It does sound quite hopeless, tried in the past already. Seems that >> > the Novell Client for Linux is developed by the part of Novell that >> > doesn't care at all about openSUSE. I didn't say this, I quoted it to disagree with it. > I don't agree with this statement. If we didn't care about openSUSE > then we wouldn't develop to it. And we ran into other issues with > the kmp method I'd like to know more about them. > and putting novfs in the kernel was a benefit to us. I also don't > think the different release cycles are an issue. and I'm glad you found this work-around. > Joe Harmon :) S. -- Susanne Oberhauser +49-911-74053-574 SUSE -- a Novell Business OPS Engineering Maxfeldstraße 5 Processes and Infrastructure Nürnberg SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Novell internal programs on NON-OSS repository? (ie Novell Client)
by Dominique Leuenberger 11 Nov '08

11 Nov '08

On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 10:08 -0700, Joe Harmon wrote: > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 10:04 +0100, Susanne Oberhauser wrote: > > > It does sound quite hopeless, tried in the past already. Seems that > > > the Novell Client for Linux is developed by the part of Novell that > > > doesn't care at all about openSUSE. > > I don't agree with this statement. If we didn't care about openSUSE then > we wouldn't develop to it. And we ran into other issues with the kmp > method and putting novfs in the kernel was a benefit to us. I also don't > think the different release cycles are an issue. Joe, are you sure about this? the 2.0 beta client for example installs on a 11.1 beta system (I'm on beta 5) with some hurdles (some symlinking). But the novfs for example simply can't compile (the client ships with 2.0.0-504, whereas in the kernel, 2.6.27.5 is 2.0.0-440). I'm not sure yet if THAT is the reason that I can't write to any of my netware volumes, but df shows them all having 0 bytes free... not a lot, considering that at least some of the volumes are cluster resources on a SAN and that the operational system is using those volumes for daily business. If I see that issuing bugs for the client actually has an effect (besides be writing them and then nothing happening), I will gladly do it. But at least from the past, it appears the NCL development is to much behind closed doors. Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Novell internal programs on NON-OSS repository? (ie Novell Client)
by Joe Harmon 11 Nov '08

11 Nov '08

On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 10:04 +0100, Susanne Oberhauser wrote: > > It does sound quite hopeless, tried in the past already. Seems that > > the Novell Client for Linux is developed by the part of Novell that > > doesn't care at all about openSUSE. I don't agree with this statement. If we didn't care about openSUSE then we wouldn't develop to it. And we ran into other issues with the kmp method and putting novfs in the kernel was a benefit to us. I also don't think the different release cycles are an issue. Joe Harmon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Novell internal programs on NON-OSS repository? (ie Novell Client)
by Dominique Leuenberger 11 Nov '08

11 Nov '08

Hi, On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 12:12 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > Note: novfs is now part of our kernel tree: > pm -qlp kernel-default-2.6.27.5-1.1.i586.rpm |grep novfs > /lib/modules/2.6.27.5-1-default/kernel/fs/novfs > /lib/modules/2.6.27.5-1-default/kernel/fs/novfs/novfs.ko > > So, no need anymore for the kmp. > It IS part of the kernel, but (at least on my system... I did not update yet to the 2.6.27.5 kernel) the version is older than what is shipped in the 2.0 beta client (2.0.0-440 vs 2.0.0-504 from the client) > We could if they have the quality we need and get released at the right > time - and the last is one problem, we do not want to touch the official > repos after we released the goldmaster, That might be a critical point, especially considering that for 10.3 there is still no 'releasable quality' available. Is there something else that can be done in further improving this state? (I have nothing against playing the bridge between two Novell departments :) ) Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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