When I say Canonical are not doing the same about the support, I mean about the updates. However, they offer you support for each installation so, if you have 50 Ubuntu installed, you will pay 50 support contracts, but that does not include the updates, that are free and open for everyone, and they have one single distro. At least it is an interesting model, isn't it?
jordi
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Para: James Tremblay <jamesat(a)comcast.net>; opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org
Enviado: miércoles, 2 de mayo, 2007 15:51:26
Asunto: Re: [opensuse-project] Slogan proposal: openSUSE - Not for my mom, but for tech enthusiasts
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Para: opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org
Enviado: miércoles, 2 de mayo, 2007 14:00:02
Asunto: Re: [opensuse-project] Slogan proposal: openSUSE - Not for my mom, but for tech enthusiasts
> I think it is a misinterpretation of what the
> cost of SLED is to call it licensing. I think it has been and be should be
> marketed as long term support. If you purchase a "subscription" to SLED you
> get a year of patches\updates and online support for the worlds most stable,
> innovative, enterprise ready desktop, all of 50 $ US. Still sounds like the
> best OS deal going to me, even though my personal HD is loaded with 10.2. ;)
If you have to purchase a "subscription" for every SLED you have, that is very similar to a license. If you have 50 installations, you will be paying for the same updates 50 times, when you already have the source code. Moreover, the community is not getting those updates, at least not directly. So again, there are two distributions and the Gnome guys may have to work double: work for SLED, and for OpenSuSE. I know RedHat is doing the same, and a lot of others in the open source business, so maybe is the way to make it profitable. However, Canonical is not doing that with Ubuntu. We will see if they get successful with that model.
At least, that is the vision from an outsider.
greetings,
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De: James Tremblay <jamesat(a)comcast.net>
Para: opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org
Enviado: miércoles, 2 de mayo, 2007 14:00:02
Asunto: Re: [opensuse-project] Slogan proposal: openSUSE - Not for my mom, but for tech enthusiasts
> I think it is a misinterpretation of what the
> cost of SLED is to call it licensing. I think it has been and be should be
> marketed as long term support. If you purchase a "subscription" to SLED you
> get a year of patches\updates and online support for the worlds most stable,
> innovative, enterprise ready desktop, all of 50 $ US. Still sounds like the
> best OS deal going to me, even though my personal HD is loaded with 10.2. ;)
If you have to purchase a "subscription" for every SLED you have, that is very similar to a license. If you have 50 installations, you will be paying for the same updates 50 times, when you already have the source code. Moreover, the community is not getting those updates, at least not directly. So again, there are two distributions and the Gnome guys may have to work double: work for SLED, and for OpenSuSE. I know RedHat is doing the same, and a lot of others in the open source business, so maybe is the way to make it profitable. However, Canonical is not doing that with Ubuntu. We will see if they get successful with that model.
At least, that is the vision from an outsider.
greetings,
jordi massaguer pla
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I think we are not talking about what Novell has done for the community
or what Ubuntu has done, but the fact that there are two communitites,
the open one (openSuSE) and the "consortium one" (SLED/S).
The
first is open to everyone, but has no commercial support, no security
certification (I am talking about EAL), no certification of
professionals or companies. The second one has all that but it is not
open to everyone. Only the ones that have paid would have the updates
and the code of them, so it is something like a consortium.
In
the other hand, Ubuntu has only one community, one distribution, and
everyone gets the updates. But it is not EAL4+ certified (that takes
time, so money, to do it).
Then, we have two communities, two
distributions, two bug trackers,.... and also we have to pay a license
for using each SLED or SLES (so it is not really free). SLES and SLED
are products based on free (as in speech) code but are not free ( the
updates can not be redistributed).
In my opinion, it would be
better to have only one big and strong open community around SLED and
SLES and not base the business on the licenses, but on hours of support
(for example you could pay x€ a year for having Yhours of support), and
on certify partners, certify hardware, certify software and develop
custom solutions based on SLES and SLED (Point of Sale for example).
However, this is more difficult than selling licenses (and less
scalable) but you may have a better product.
Having one
community does not mean having only one distribution. Well done, we
could have multiple ones (Desktop Professional, Server Professional,
POS, Education, Home Desktop, ....) build using the OpenBuildService,
but have some common code (code10, code11, ....) and some especific one
(for example the Home Desktop could have some stuff that is not EAL4+
certified (OpenSuSE right now?)).
Teorically, it should be
more productive to have one community based on the same code and
multiple products than having multiple communities, right?
Just my 5c.
greetings,
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De: Silviu Marin-Caea <silviu_marin-caea(a)fieldinsights.ro>
Para: opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org
Enviado: miércoles, 2 de mayo, 2007 8:54:55
Asunto: Re: [opensuse-project] Slogan proposal: openSUSE - Not for my mom, but for tech enthusiasts
On Wednesday 02 May 2007 02:00:42 am M Harris wrote:
>The reason I would purchase SLED, SLES is to receive world
> class tiered support, printed documentation, voice support,
> indemnification, etc.
You are kidding yourself with the support story. This just doesn't bring
enough cash. I don't see people buy support if the product runs well.
Novell would starve. It's a vicious circle that I don't know an escape for.
Oracle support is making nice cash, but does Oracle run well? Oh, my...
Printed documentation and xROMware mean a logistics effort that cancels almost
all profit that can be made selling that. Software IT companies try to make
money online these days, without moving boxes.
I am curious as to Ubuntu LTS sales, that actually bring money in. Ubuntu was
and is always in the red. It's just some dude that happens to like this toy
and spends money on it. It's not so bad for Linux actually, but it just
doesn't feel sustainable.
I am also curious about the number of core, heavy stuff developers that Ubuntu
pays salaries to? Do they have any kernel people, glibc people on payroll,
like Novell does? Wouldn't think so. However, Mr. Mark Shuttleworth is a
KDE patron, so that's something. But I don't know how much this means in
cold hard cash. Would be interesting.
What is Novell supposed to do? Adopt a dot com billionaire willing to spend
the dough?
Yet, the "community" is suckered like a stupid bitch on Ubuntu ware. Novell
did a number of great deeds with SUSE, like making the ISOs download-able,
paying developers for the heavy stuff I mentioned above and so on. Novell
practically _makes_ Gnome, and a lot of KDE too. Does Novell make this known
to the community? Not so much. Do the Ubuntu crowd know about the
contributions that Novell makes? Doubtly (they are all bent on the MS deal
that has wiped away in a second all the rest of the good stuff). With all
this worthy material to work with, the Novell marketing manages to not make
good use of it. Gee, I wonder how much do those Microsoft marketing people
cost? :-)
Ubuntu is a packaging distro.
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Hello all!
I would like to put forward an idea that I have, which could simplify
the life for Linux users...
The concept is simple, but the implementation is probably not :-/
Today, when I install openSUSE on my machine, it will detect most of my
hardware just fine. But there are some hardware that could not be
identified properly, for instance my monitors.
What I would like to see, is that during the install, some magic is
built in that can automatically (after the user approves) go out to the
internet to see if there are any drivers for the specific hardware.
There should also be an daemon running on the machine, that detects when
new hardware has been attached and there are no available drivers for
it. It should then suggest that it can look it up on the internet.
If a driver is found, it should be downloaded and installed onto the
system.
The hosting website should also be able to keep track of what sort of
hardware that has not been properly identified so that the next version
of the distro can include them.
For something like a monitor, it could be as simple as letting users add
the needed mode lines etc to the website and it would be downloaded and
put into SaX2's database.
I think it would also be good if that same website would know about free
proprietary (but re-distributable) drivers and let the user select
whether he wants to download them or not. We currently have this in the
"Desktop Effects" utility, but users might want to have the driver for
other purposes than a 3D Desktop.
Does anyone think that this would be a good idea and if so, how should
we proceed?
Thanks,
Magnus
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