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RE: [SLE] Will Linux ever compete with M$ (OT)
by Berge, Harry ten 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

> I was at a training course a few days ago. > Whilst the rest of the group I was with had wondered off to > stretch their leg in the break, I ended up on a discussion > with the consultant/training officer about Linux, Unix, > programming etc... > > He passed a comment that Linux would never make it make it > into homes or even onto workstations. The average user will > always want microsoft product and far too much investment has > been made with microsoft as a whole to warrant changing. His > argument was, he was a software developer mainly for industry > and virtually 100% of his work is for microsoft based > software, even though his company offers development on any platform. > > Needless to say we ended up arguing!! > > As this list is home to many industry proffesionals, I would > love to hear your comments on this. > > Was he correct?? > > Will Linux ever be a real threat to Microsoft, not just in > industry, but in the household also? Almost 100% of our new customers get Linux systems... > Met vriendelijke groet / Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Kind Regards, > H.J. ten Berge Test & Integration HITT Traffic Oude Apeldoornseweg 41-45 P.O. Box 717 NL-7300 AS, APELDOORN The Netherlands Telephone +31-55-543 26 34 Fax +31-55-543 25 53 E-mail mailto:berge@hitt.nl Internet http://www.hitt-traffic.nl

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RE: [SLE] 8.2 updated with KDE 3.1.4; result: NO antialising anymore
by stefan 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

Try to restore KDE 3.1.1 from DVD/CDROM and from there upgrade to 3.1.4! rgds, stefan --- "Berge, Harry ten" <berge(a)hitt.nl> wrote: > On 10/02/2003 05:04 PM, Berge, Harry ten wrote: > > >I've updated my 8.2 system with KDE 3.1.4 and see what happens.... no > >antialiasing anymore :-( > >Does anyone have a clue what this can be? All settings about > antialiasing in > >KDE Control Center aren't changed... > > > > > Did you remember to run SuSEconfig afterwards? It will run > fonts-config, which may be your problem. > Yes. that's the strange part. I even installed the M$ corefonts again. No result. But maybe I have to go back to 3.1.3 :-( Regards Harry -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq(a)suse.com

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error when running apt-get upgrade
by Thinker 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

Hello all, I haven't had a chance to upgrade in the past week or so. This morning I tried to run gaim and it would not load. So I tried to upgrade. When I typed 'apt-get upgrade' I got the following. Please tell me how to fix this so I can finish the upgrade. The following packages will be upgraded alsa alsa-tools bittorrent gaim gtkhtml3.0-devel kdeaddons3-games kdeaddons3-kate kdeaddons3-kicker kdeaddons3-konqueror kdeaddons3-sound kdeadmin3 kdeartwork3 kdeartwork3-sound kdeartwork3-xscreensaver kdebase3 kdebase3-extra kdebase3-kdm kdebase3-ksysguardd kdebase3-nsplugin kdebase3-samba kdebindings3-c kdebindings3-java kdebindings3-mozilla kdeedu3 kdegames3 kdegames3-arcade kdegames3-board kdegames3-card kdegames3-tactic kdegraphics3 kdegraphics3-3D kdegraphics3-extra kdegraphics3-fax kdegraphics3-kamera kdegraphics3-postscript kdegraphics3-tex kdelibs3 kdemultimedia3-midi kdemultimedia3-sound kdemultimedia3-video kdemultimedia3-video-xine kdenetwork3 kdenetwork3-chat kdenetwork3-dialup kdenetwork3-lan kdenetwork3-mail kdenetwork3-news kdenetwork3-query kdenetwork3-vnc kdepim3 kdepim3-kpilot kdepim3-organizer kdepim3-sync kdepim3-time-management kdetoys3 kopete kshowmail libgsf libsoup-devel man mysql mysql-shared openssh openssh-askpass openssl qt3 qt3-mysql qt3-non-mt quanta tcpd vdr xchat The following packages have been kept back gnucash 72 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 removed and 1 not upgraded. Need to get 1187kB/127MB of archives. After unpacking 1793kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y Get:1 ftp://ftp.gwdg.de SuSE/8.2-i386/update openssl 0.9.6i-19 [1187kB] Fetched 1187kB in 1m15s (15.7kB/s) Executing RPM (-Uvh)... file /opt/gnome2/lib/libgsf-gnome-1.so.1 from install of libgsf-1.8.2-SuSE.ulb.1 conflicts with file from package libgsf-gnome-1.8.1-18 E: Sub-process /bin/rpm returned an error code (144) Thanks, -=Thinker

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suse 9
by Rajesh Ganesan 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

Hi, Suse9 seems to have only 5 cds. What does this mean - softwares have been reduced or source cds are not included in boxed versions? It was 7 earlier no? I have an opinion - Suse can make following choices: User can choose to purchase with or without source cds - I suppose only geeks set their hands on them and soho users rarely need them. Similarly, either dvd version or cd version can be bought. These options can reduce suse's cost of making boxed versions, right? Rajesh

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RE: [SLE] Will Linux ever compete with M$ (OT)
by Sharpe, Richard 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

After seeing your post I got an email that talkes about this try looking at this article Maturity makes Linux less of a gamble for the enterprise by Michael S. Mimoso, SearchEnterpriseLinux.com News Editor More enterprises have been less reticent to gamble on Linux during the last 18 months. Once solely a perimeter infrastructure play, Linux is now finding its way onto mission-critical database transaction servers, high-performance computing clusters and even the desktop. Not so coincidentally, Linux's surge in the enterprise has paralleled the poor economy. Enterprise decision makers have been willing to put aside their proprietary tendencies and embrace Linux's costs, reliability and stability. "I think you'll see Linux start to take over some backend database management systems first, then as more ISVs (independent software vendors) move applications to Linux, you'll see Linux move more and more into data centers," said Bill Claybrook, research director Linux and open source for Boston-based analyst firm Aberdeen Group. "Linux scales more than enough now. It's a matter of users requiring ISVs to move more applications onto Linux." The upcoming 2.6 Linux kernel, currently in beta, promises more enterprise features that will drive adoption deeper into the data center as well. "Native Posix thread libraries (NPTL) are a big feature in 2.6," said Holger Dyroff, U.S. director of sales with Nuremberg, Germany-based distributor, SuSE Linux AG. "The performance enhancements are tremendous. There are significant changes in the way device drivers are handled, multipath I/O enhancements and carrier-grade Linux functionality as well. All of these features have been back-ported as well to the 2.4 kernel." Linux and the open-source community are facing their first hurdle, just as the skies seem their sunniest. The SCO Group's $3 billion suit against IBM Corp. and its threats against Linux customers threaten to introduce more patent fights, once thought foreign to the open-source movements. Daniel St. Gelais, a consultant with Quebec City, Canada's InfoTech, recently delivered a Linux-on-the-desktop presentation to the local government there, only to have it temporarily derailed by a fear of backlash from the SCO Group. "They figured it was very serious and said that maybe this was a system they could go without," St. Gelais said. "The government was going to migrate to a new platform. They viewed Linux as the platform for the next decade." Civic leaders in Quebec took notice of the SCO Group's threat to seek licensing fees from Linux users, and that forced them to reconsider their Linux movement. "They didn't know how the issue was going to play out. They didn't want to put effort and time on something that was not going to go on," St. Gelais said. Recently, however, things reversed course again for the Quebec government, St. Gelais said, once it saw that IBM and Red Hat Inc. were countersuing. "They are open and ready to be part of a pilot to use open-source software, especially Linux," said St. Gelais. "I advise anyone not to be afraid to make a Linux proposal to their decision makers." Many high-profile enterprises, meanwhile, are grounded in Linux. Online travel agent Orbitz recently moved off of Sun's Unix OS, Solaris, to Red Hat Linux at a 10x cost reduction and a 2x performance boost, said chief Internet architect Leon Chism. Others like Lithonia Lighting, a $1.3 billion lighting manufacturer, and Dallas Airmotive, a Texas-based airplane engine manufacturer, each saved more than $500,000 doing Unix-to-Linux migrations. Scalability was the turning point for both Lithonia and Dallas Airmotive. Lithonia, for example, started experiencing stability problems with its Oracle ERP manufacturing software running on Solaris. Director of technical services Phil Kilgore said his enterprise's move to Dell hardware running Red Hat Enterprise Advanced Server and an Oracle 9i database has yet to stress the system, even after extending the application to additional regional plants. "We doubled our users again, and we don't plan on adding [Oracle] RAC nodes," Kilgore said. "We're running four currently, and they are not stressed that much." Meanwhile, Kilgore said he spent $250,000 on hardware for the production rack, and he estimates he would have spent three times that amount on a Unix environment. "We got the stability we needed and by buying Intel servers, you can add on the fly. That's the beauty of clustering -- that, and the redundancy," he said. Richard A Sharpe (DBA) Sqlserver/DB2 Amherst Technologies 40 Continental Blvd Merrimack, NH 03054 PHONE .......(603) 579-6180 / (800) 431-8031 Cell phone ..(603) 320-7785 FAX ...........(603) 578-1072 EMAIL .......rsharpe(a)amherst1.com "Tenemos que tener fe" ("We must have faith") -----Original Message----- From: Gedi [mailto:gedi@ntlworld.com] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:53 AM To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com Subject: [SLE] Will Linux ever compete with M$ (OT) I was at a training course a few days ago. Whilst the rest of the group I was with had wondered off to stretch their leg in the break, I ended up on a discussion with the consultant/training officer about Linux, Unix, programming etc... He passed a comment that Linux would never make it make it into homes or even onto workstations. The average user will always want microsoft product and far too much investment has been made with microsoft as a whole to warrant changing. His argument was, he was a software developer mainly for industry and virtually 100% of his work is for microsoft based software, even though his company offers development on any platform. Needless to say we ended up arguing!! As this list is home to many industry proffesionals, I would love to hear your comments on this. Was he correct?? Will Linux ever be a real threat to Microsoft, not just in industry, but in the household also? ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq(a)suse.com

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RE: [SLE] 8.2 updated with KDE 3.1.4; result: NO antialising anym ore
by Berge, Harry ten 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

> On 10/02/2003 05:04 PM, Berge, Harry ten wrote: > > >I've updated my 8.2 system with KDE 3.1.4 and see what happens.... no > >antialiasing anymore :-( > >Does anyone have a clue what this can be? All settings about > antialiasing in > >KDE Control Center aren't changed... > > > > > Did you remember to run SuSEconfig afterwards? It will run > fonts-config, which may be your problem. > Yes. that's the strange part. I even installed the M$ corefonts again. No result. But maybe I have to go back to 3.1.3 :-( Regards Harry

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Re: [SLE] 8.2 updated with KDE 3.1.4; result: NO antialising anymore
by stefan 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

Hi, You have upgraded the KDE from what version ? From KDE 3.1.3 ? I had strange problems with some toolbar icons when I moved from KDE 3.1.3 to KDE 3.1.4 ! The toolbar icons, some of them, were missing. The only thing which I found was: - restore my KDE to 3.1.1, opriginal version and tried to update to 3.1.4 - worked fine with no problems. stefan --- "Berge, Harry ten" <berge(a)hitt.nl> wrote: Hi, I've updated my 8.2 system with KDE 3.1.4 and see what happens.... no antialiasing anymore :-( Does anyone have a clue what this can be? All settings about antialiasing in KDE Control Center aren't changed... > Met vriendelijke groet / Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Kind Regards, > H.J. ten Berge Test & Integration HITT Traffic Oude Apeldoornseweg 41-45 P.O. Box 717 NL-7300 AS, APELDOORN The Netherlands Telephone +31-55-543 26 34 Fax +31-55-543 25 53 E-mail mailto:berge@hitt.nl Internet http://www.hitt-traffic.nl -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq(a)suse.com

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Anyone still running KDE 3.1.3 on SuSE 8.2?
by Basil Chupin 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

Anyone still running this version and if so is Pysol (cardgame suite) still working correctly and do you still have Freecell (cardgame) showing (and playable) in Games/Card menu? Reason for question(s) is that I have updated to KDE 3.1.4 firstly with the new files released on 25 September and then last night using the file released on 29 September -- and somewhere in this process I lost Freecell (my favourite!) and Pysol stopped working (it disappears off the screen if you move the cursor into the toolbar area). Also, anyone know what happened to (or where it went) the Menu editor? you know the one where you could select different icons for applications etc. It used to be in the Start Applications/System/Configuration (I think) area. KDE: 2 steps forward, 1 step back.... :-(. Cheers. -- If logic ruled the World, men would ride side-saddle.

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SuSE 9.0 Availability
by W.D. McKinney 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

Greetings, So October 15th is date for the Europe release. Is usual that in he following 2 week period that the US release will be made ? Thanks Dee

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Easy firewall question
by H du Plooy 01 Oct '03

01 Oct '03

Hi all, I'd like to ad a rule to SuSEfirewall2. On a old Red Hat 7.1 (using ipchains), the line in /etc/sysconfig/ipchains looks as follows: -A input -s 209.73.225.8 80 -d 0/0 -p tcp -j REJECT SuSE's setup is different. The Yast2 setup of sysconfig/SuSEfirewall doesn't seem to make room for this. Should I just stick it in /etc/sysconfig/SuSEfirewall2 ? This is what the docs in /usr/share/doc/packages/SuSEfirewall2 seem to suggest although the examples are a bit too complex for my limited knowledge... Thanks Hans

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