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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Win 32 & Linux
by hettar＠teleport.com 31 Mar '98

31 Mar '98

Your awesome Zentara, Exactly :) Yep not much to say, but Zentara said it all. zentara wrote: > > Steven T. Hatton wrote: > > > > Zentra, > > > > You say that people tend to migrate over to Linux based applications. I have > > noticed that Mathematica and WordPerfect are available for Linux. I don't > > know how well they are selling. I'm expect that it is a bit of a social > > deviance to use software that you actually buy in the Linux community. > > If you look hard enough, you can get free apps for linux to do most > things. Also much of the software you describe, is available to non- > commercial users for free. > > > the other hand, if Linux were to become as easy to use as 95/NT for the > > uninitiated, and Linux were capable of running software that people already > > have invested money in, there would likely be a mass migration from M$ OSs to > > Linux. > > > Well Linux is getting there. Look at KDE. It's not quite perfected, but > getting there fast. And as far as command line use goes, linux is way > easier to do things. The biggest drawback to windows is the lack of a 32 > bit > command line and language. > I thought OS2 was way better than win95, just for having REXX. > It still is a great single user system. > Windows NT is really a waste unless you use the NTFS filesystem. > I played with NT4 for awhile, and it isn't any easier than > linux. In fact it is harder, because everything is hidden > from you in dlls. > > The biggest drawback to win95-NT is the price. > To set up winNT with Linux functionality and security, > costs about $1000 !!! The NT Server license, plus Visual Basic, > plus Visual C++, is way out of the reach of average people. > Whereas SuSe is $50, Perl is free, and it has it's own compiler. > > Plus the source code is open to look at. I have a big distrust > of corporate motives. I wouldn't want to trust the entire planets > computer network to a profit seeking organization, who hides their > code. > > Linux should be what is taught in schools, it is affordable > to all students. > > > As far as running standard Win32 software on intel platforms goes, there is > > no need for emulating the CPU as is done with a Sparc. All that needs to be > > done is to emulate the Win32 API. I am not a stellar programmer, so that > > "all" could be a lot more than I am making it sound like. The main reason > > that I bring this up is not to dismiss the programming effort required, but > > to observe that the intel based Win32 programs should perform at least as > > well under Linux as under M$ OSs. > > > > > Well you should look at the comp.emulators.wine ( I think that's right) > newsgroup. They discuss the nuts and bolts of it. > You are right. These guys see light at the end of the tunnel, > so they are working hard. BUT.... there are so many little > incompatibilities that pop up, principally due to Microsoft's > habit of just patching up old code to make it work. That makes it > very hard for "intelligent, methodical, programmers" to make > a consistent emulation scheme. > They just patch things up as they come. > > All in all, when it comes down to really getting daily computer > work done, there is nothing better than the command line, with > pipes and re-direction; and a powerful language like PERL. > > So we are talking about 2 different types of users. > > The web-surfers, and chat-room lovers, and people who want > to print an occaisional T-shirt up on their ink-jet printer; > comprise one group. They are always complaining about about system > crashes, and lockups, and are willing to spend alot of money > to "buy their way into computer functionality". Microsoft > can make a bundle off of this group. This group would > love to get win32's going on linux. It would make it > easier to get the new "linux status-symbol" going for them. > This isn't a huge market really. > > Then there are the real business computer professionals. These > people need to connect, manage databases, print reports, make > backups, and have systems which don't crash, and are understandable > to configure to their special needs. Command line unix or linux > is the best choice. > > I think the real shame in all of this is the lost educational > opportunity we are missing with young kids in school. They could > start learning Perl and unix command line stuff in 6th grade. > You could use old 386's. > Not with windows....gotta have Pentium II MMX's, etc., etc., etc. > So the school boards can't afford it, and the kids can't afford it > at home either. > > Get me drunk, and talking about this stuff.... I'll talk your > ears off. :-) > > Gotta stop. > > zentara > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- Steven Udell Wayfarers hettar(a)teleport.com for truth love sudell(a)teleport.com and courage <A HREF="http://www.teleport.com/~hettar"><A HREF="http://www.teleport.com/~hettar</A">http://www.teleport.com/~hettar</A</A>> -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] NG
by luis＠lac.resonet.com 31 Mar '98

31 Mar '98

On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Steven T. Hatton wrote: > I have had the same thought. A news group would be nice. What happened > to me today is but one example of why a NG would be advantageous. My > mail server was moved from one server to another. During the time that > the new server was running without the proper user database, I probably > lost mail sent to me. That's just plain bad system administration on their part. If they're moving the server and the user database is not complete, they should turn off sendmail or disconnect the ethernet so anyone who tries to send them mail will get a fail but the mail will be queued up and as long as they finish the conversion in a day that should get you your mail since almost every server will retry for more than a day to send mail, approx every 4 hours. > It would be nice to be able to search for answers that have already been > posted to questions. This could cut down on repetition. I also have a > problem managing the large amount of mail that I get. Being on mailing > lists, especially ones as busy as this, causes my mail management > problem to increase greatly. > You should try procmail if you haven't already, it's almost required if you're going to do mailing lists subscribing. > As far as spammers go, kill 'em! Well, perhaps we could have a closed news First we take their equipment, then kill 'em! :) -- Lou A. Costabile Voice and Fax: [613] 781-7061 <A HREF="mailto:luis@lac.resonet.com">mailto:luis@lac.resonet.com</A> To get Receipt Notification include %rec% anywhere in the Subject field. -- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Sound
by jkrough＠mindspring.com 31 Mar '98

31 Mar '98

Steven T. Hatton wrote: > Jerome, > > I didn't even notice the manuconfig option when I set up a week ago. > Does it do anything that I can't do with xconfig? > > Steve > > As far as I can tell menuconfig only adds an additional, and necessary, option for sound. I didn't see anything else that wasn't in xconfig. I had made the same error(?). I went to the "Sound How-To" which provided all the necessary steps for sound card setup. Jerome K. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Sound
by mhtexcollins＠ccms.net 31 Mar '98

31 Mar '98

Finally got the kernal to compile. I had to go "make monfig" and step through that and away it went. Now during boot It says SB16 installed or some such. My next question is how can I test to see if it is working. I turned on sound to games that had sound under redhat and now nothing. I long to hear Linus. Where is the sound demo????? Thanks a million. Jerome Krough wrote: > Set-up sound with menuconfig first then use xconfig if you need to. In > menuconfig there is an option for "old style" setup or something similar > or along those lines, say yes and jump through the rest of the hoops, > save and exit, you'll be asked if you want to save. Then you can use > xconfig for the rest and to double check your sound setup. > > Jerome K. > > TEX wrote: > > > I have a genuine soundblaster 16. When trying to recompile the > > kernal for sound it says "Error, you will need to configure the > > soundcard with SOUND_CONFIGURATION option. What gives? After error > > no zImage file shows up and I am afraid to go on from here. Thanks for > > all the help. > > > > > > -- > > LINUX IS THE PATH. > > > > TEX <A HREF="http://www.ccms.net/~mhtexcollins/78704.htm"><A HREF="http://www.ccms.net/~mhtexcollins/78704.htm</A">http://www.ccms.net/~mhtexcollins/78704.htm</A</A>> > > > > > > __ > > / / __ _ _ _ _ __ __ > > / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / > > /____/ /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ > > ...for IQ's higher than 95... > > > > > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- LINUX IS THE PATH. TEX <A HREF="http://www.ccms.net/~mhtexcollins/78704.htm"><A HREF="http://www.ccms.net/~mhtexcollins/78704.htm</A">http://www.ccms.net/~mhtexcollins/78704.htm</A</A>> __ / / __ _ _ _ _ __ __ / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / /____/ /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ ...for IQ's higher than 95... -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] chat file to connect with ATT Worldnet?
by zentara＠mindspring.com 31 Mar '98

31 Mar '98

William G. Madsen wrote: > > I am connected to ATT Worldnet on my win95 and OS/2 platforms, but > I'd like to connect from Linux also. Can anyone tell me the format to > use in the chat file--that is, what information is required and in > what order and in response to what prompts? If no one else can help you, I can tell you how to do it with ezppp. It's really easy if you know whether or not they use PaP authorization. I know ezppp is for dummies, but it's quick and easy. end me an email if you want to know more. zentara -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Installing Triteal CDE on S.u.S.E. 5.1?
by mwagnon＠ixpres.com 31 Mar '98

31 Mar '98

I was inspired to make an attempt at installing the Triteal CDE from RedHat onto my system. I grabbed a brief doc from the suse support database and followed the instructions, but I am still lacking progress. When I run the install script I get one error that says something to the effect that there is no sys group, using root. the CDE apparently needs portmap but this package conflicts with nkitb of suse, which is (I think) needed for networking and stuff. When I start the CDE, I get the login screen, but when I type my login and password, the response is a black screen with a arrow pointer, after which (about 30 sec) I am returned to the login screen. I'm off to search through redhat's errata (off which they have a lot:)) to look for some answers. Has anyone here tried to install the Triteal CDE *AND* been successful? Any hints greatly appreciated! Mark -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] An ethernet question
by zentara＠mindspring.com 31 Mar '98

31 Mar '98

Hi, Ethernet Time!!! You know in the install process where you are asked "do you just use loopback, or a real network"? If you say real network, you are prompted for the ethernet address, netmask, gateway, and p to p partner. Is there a way of initiating this script on a running currently installed system? I looked all thru Yast, but didn't see it. I couldn't find an entry in rc.config for gateway address. I messed it up once, and tried to recover by editing /etc/route.conf to no avail. What I did was enter a gateway that didn't exist, and I tried to remove Default Gateway from route.conf; but it didn't fix the problem. When I reinstalled, and left Gateway empty in the above mentioned script, it works fine. I know that installation script does it correctly, so can I use it anytime after installation? If so, how? zentara -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] cat /proc/net/dev and nr0 devs
by zentara＠mindspring.com 31 Mar '98

31 Mar '98

Hi, When I do a cat /dev/net/dev on a isa motherboard with an isa ethernet card running, I get the following output. Inter-| Receive | Transmit face |packets errs drop fifo frame|packets errs drop fifo colls carrier lo: 24 0 0 0 0 24 0 0 0 0 0 nr0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 nr1: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 nr2: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 nr3: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 dummy0: No statistics available. eth0: 488 0 0 0 0 387 0 0 0 0 0 I see the lo, dummy0, and eth0 entries as normal. Its a Realtek8129 isa ethernet card, and uses the ne.o module. But what are nr0, nr1, nr2, and nr3?? zentara -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] NG
by phil＠servcom.com 31 Mar '98

31 Mar '98

My zwei pfennig would be to stick to the ml...I've seen no spam and had great access to Bodo and his people from S.u.S.E....why make their work more difficult? I would like to have the ml archived, however; lots of good answers here to questions almost everyone asks. phil -- phil(a)servcom.com phil(a)ktuu.com In clades maleventia, in victoria ultio! -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ppp/enet routing difficulties?
by leonmcclatchey＠homemail.com 30 Mar '98

30 Mar '98

--------------6169F55231E3E4ACAE9B145B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Galloway wrote: > good day all ... > > i'm still making progess. it appears that routing gets confused > when i try and run ppp. this box has both an internal modem and > and internal ethernet interface. the ethernet interface configured > nicely with yast, but i cannot seem to get the ethernet interface > to unconfigure itself when i need to use ppp instead. > > what should /etc/rc.config and /etc/rc.d/network look like for a > box with both modem/ppp interface and ethernet interface? > One thing you may want to confirm concerns your /etc/resolv.conf. It does tell you not to edit that file manually as it is generated by suseconfig. But there is a couple of entries that you may want to look at in /etc/rc.config. Look for "NAMESERVER" and be sure that your dialup nameserver's DNS address is there. Also look at the entry for "SEARCHLIST" and make sure your dialup nameserver's human name is entered there. If you make any changes in this file, you've got to run SuSeconfig for the changes to take effect. Suseconfig will then update your /etc/resolv.conf file for you:-) -- cya l8r Leon McClatchey leonmcclatchey(a)homemail.com Party on Linux:-) --------------6169F55231E3E4ACAE9B145B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> Michael Galloway wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>good day all ... i'm still making progess. it appears that routing gets confused when i try and run ppp. this box has both an internal modem and and internal ethernet interface. the ethernet interface configured nicely with yast, but i cannot seem to get the ethernet interface to unconfigure itself when i need to use ppp instead. what should /etc/rc.config and /etc/rc.d/network look like for a box with both modem/ppp interface and ethernet interface? </BLOCKQUOTE> One thing you may want to confirm concerns your /etc/resolv.conf. It does tell you not to edit that file manually as it is generated by suseconfig. But there is a couple of entries that you may want to look at in /etc/rc.config. Look for "NAMESERVER" and be sure that your dialup nameserver's DNS address is there. Also look at the entry for "SEARCHLIST" and make sure your dialup nameserver's human name is entered there. If you make any changes in this file, you've got to run SuSeconfig for the changes to take effect. Suseconfig will then update your /etc/resolv.conf file for you:-) -- cya l8r Leon McClatchey leonmcclatchey(a)homemail.com Party on Linux:-) </HTML> --------------6169F55231E3E4ACAE9B145B-- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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