March 1998 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.1 (or 5.2?) vs RedHat 5.0
by leonmcclatchey＠homemail.com 30 Mar '98

30 Mar '98

--------------454B0198F133FE3664335CF3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steven T. Hatton wrote: > Leon McClatchey wrote: > >> Lawrence Sayre wrote: >> >> For now about the only other thing that I had running on Redhat that >> I >> haven't gotten around to yet is my tape backups. > > And you admit that in public? :-) hehe, well the only reason is that I do all the backups in Os/2 for now, at least until I can get around to Upgrading my tape drive. Did you ever try to back up around 6 gig of data with a little 250m tape drive? Part of it is because for now, my Linux box is pretty close to what came on the CD, other then a few scripts and data files that I've modified by Playing with the system, there isn't too much to be lost yet. But give me time, and I'll get the tapes running again:-) -- cya l8r Leon McClatchey leonmcclatchey(a)homemail.com Party on Linux:-) --------------454B0198F133FE3664335CF3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> Steven T. Hatton wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> Leon McClatchey wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Lawrence Sayre wrote: For now about the only other thing that I had running on Redhat that I haven't gotten around to yet is my tape backups.</BLOCKQUOTE> And you admit that in public? :-)</BLOCKQUOTE> hehe, well the only reason is that I do all the backups in Os/2 for now, at least until I can get around to <I>Upgrading</I> my tape drive. Did you ever try to back up around 6 gig of data with a little 250m tape drive? Part of it is because for now, my Linux box is pretty close to what came on the CD, other then a few scripts and data files that I've modified by <I>Playing with the system</I>, there isn't too much to be lost yet. But give me time, and I'll get the tapes running again:-) -- cya l8r Leon McClatchey leonmcclatchey(a)homemail.com Party on Linux:-) </HTML> --------------454B0198F133FE3664335CF3-- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Apache help +
by leonmcclatchey＠homemail.com 30 Mar '98

30 Mar '98

--------------4B2401FFFFC2D91649BF63F1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Hodgers wrote: > > Yes I did. A little more info, i downloaded it with both ftp > and netscape. I only have internet access to a Win95 > machine so I then log onto my linux and ftp it. Every > time the computer goes into lala land. > Jim That brings up another question, one that I'm unfamiliar with at this point in time, but I have heard something about SAMBA when accessing a Win95 FileSystem. If Samba is required to access the Win95 file system, do you have it installed and active. Also, I have run into problems when I tried to copy a large file unto a partition in Linux and there wasn't enough space on that partition to recieve the file. Could that be the case? -- cya l8r Leon McClatchey leonmcclatchey(a)homemail.com Party on Linux:-) --------------4B2401FFFFC2D91649BF63F1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> Jim Hodgers wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> Yes I did. A little more info, i downloaded it with both ftp and netscape. I only have internet access to a Win95 machine so I then log onto my linux and ftp it. Every time the computer goes into lala land. Jim</BLOCKQUOTE> That brings up another question, one that I'm unfamiliar with at this point in time, but I have heard something about SAMBA when accessing a Win95 FileSystem. If Samba is required to access the Win95 file system, do you have it installed and active. Also, I have run into problems when I tried to copy a large file unto a partition in Linux and there wasn't enough space on that partition to recieve the file. Could that be the case? -- cya l8r Leon McClatchey leonmcclatchey(a)homemail.com Party on Linux:-) </HTML> --------------4B2401FFFFC2D91649BF63F1-- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] X86 setting
by phuesser＠bluewin.ch 30 Mar '98

30 Mar '98

Can anybody tell me the settings I have to chose for X86*. I have the following Hardware: Graphiccard: ATI Xpert@Work AGP 8MB SGRAM Monitor: MS6P, TCO-95, 30-96 kHz, 48-160 Hz. Thank's for any help. Email: phuesser(a)bluewin.com -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Scanner
by bb＠suse.com 30 Mar '98

30 Mar '98

Hi, for questions on scanner support look at <A HREF="http://www.mostang.com/sane/sane-backends.html"><A HREF="http://www.mostang.com/sane/sane-backends.html</A">http://www.mostang.com/sane/sane-backends.html</A</A>> For Mustek it says: A fairly full-featured driver for Mustek flatbed scanners with a SCSI interface. Both 3-pass and 1-pass flatbed scanners are supported. The following SCSI scanners are known to work: MFC-600S, MFC-600CD, MFS-6000CX, MSF-6000SP, MFS-8000SP (problems with gray-scale?), MFS-1200SP (problems with color?), MFS-12000CX. Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 <A HREF="http://www.suse.com"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com</A">http://www.suse.com</A</A>> Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] NG
by bb＠suse.com 30 Mar '98

30 Mar '98

Michael Perry wrote: > [...] > The other option for a new newsgroup is to reflect the list to a > newsgroup. I have participated in a few newsgroup creations in the > past for OS/2 stuff and had decided at one point to reflect a mailing > list to a newsgroup. This never happened though. Each approach had > its advantages. I would vote for a reflected mailing list to newsgroup > approach personally. Hi, a NG would be fine, but a ML is much easier to use. I'm thinking of all the newbies who might get confused by all the new things to use and to learn. Mail is easy to handle and most of the Internet users know how to do it. Of cause newsgroups are also easy to use (for us...), but my experience shows that most newbies find it difficult to read and post news and get confused about nntp servers etc, and they rather have mails... So the only way to have a NG (IMHO) is to have a bidirectional gateway between this list and the newsgroup. And this will possibly bring us a lot of spams on this list. So I suppose the best way for those of you, who want to have a newsgroup, may be to set up a local news server at your site and feed the mail into this server (either by subscribing a special user or by setting up a procmail filter to do this). If you need a mail2news skript, I can give you the one we are using to archive the lists as news groups... Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 <A HREF="http://www.suse.com"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com</A">http://www.suse.com</A</A>> Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE based on? (slackware?BSD.init?SVR4?) ??
by bb＠suse.com 30 Mar '98

30 Mar '98

Steven Udell wrote: > > What is SuSE based on? > > Someone said Slackware? > > SVR4 (System V(5) revision 4)? (more powerful, more complex) (debian) > BSD.init (slackware) > > Any info on this? Hi, I answered quite the same question in an other thread on this list some days ago: SuSE was based on Slackware (it has been a German version of Slakware, we translated all the installation tools to German and fixed some bugs, so it was more ore less just a German Slakware version) and we have to thank Patrick for his great work. But at one point we decided to move away from Slackware and that it's time to create our own distribution. We also decided not to start from scratch, but to use Florian LaRoche's Jurix distribution as a startpoint for developing the S.u.S.E. distribution. Florian is now an employee of S.u.S.E. and continues his work mainly on the base system of S.u.S.E. Linux. Release 4.2 was the first Jurix based S.u.S.E. Linux. Ciao, BB PS: An archive of this list will be available soon, perhaps late this week... -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 <A HREF="http://www.suse.com"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com</A">http://www.suse.com</A</A>> Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X-Win & Netscape pblms
by bb＠suse.com 30 Mar '98

30 Mar '98

Tom Kormanik wrote: > > Bodo Bauer wrote: > > > TEX wrote: > > > > > > I have the same problem. I have not shut down though. No matter how > > > garbled the text, I just type startx and enter and away it goes, but It > > > is real ugly. Can someone help? > > > > Try to use 'runx' instead of 'startx'? This uses svgalib to restore the > > registers of the graphic card. It's in the package 'svgalib'. > > > > Ciao, > > BB > > > > -- > > Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 > > bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 > > <A HREF="http://www.suse.com"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com</A">http://www.suse.com</A</A>> Oakland CA, 94610 USA > > -- > > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > Bodo, > > Thanks for answering our messages regarding "trashed fonts". Your remedy, > run "runx" instead of "startx" rectifies the trashed fonts and for this, I am > great- > ful and thank you. > I'm sure that you are waiting for the other shoe to drop, or a "but" and here > it is: > What I would really like to have is a solution to the problem rather than a > "Band > Aid" repair, or at least a better understanding of how the trashed font > problem > comes about. > Again I am greatful for the advice, just trying to understand the dynamics > (ie mechanism). Hi, I'm sorry but I'm afraid I can't give you a really deep explanation of this behavior. AFAIK the X servers sometimes have problems to restore all of the registers used for text mode with specail graphic cards. But I don't know why runx works for those cards and the 'plain' Xservers doesn't. There were a lot more cards who had these problems some time ago, and runx was always a good tip to solve this. These days only very few people seem to have this kind of problems. To get more info on this, we need to have a X specialist, you can try to contact the XFree86 team for example... Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 <A HREF="http://www.suse.com"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com</A">http://www.suse.com</A</A>> Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] chat file to connect with ATT Worldnet?
by billmadsen＠worldnet.att.net 30 Mar '98

30 Mar '98

I am connected to ATT Worldnet on my win95 and OS/2 platforms, but I'd like to connect from Linux also. Can anyone tell me the format to use in the chat file--that is, what information is required and in what order and in response to what prompts? Bill Madsen in St. Louis -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Win 32 & Linux
by zentara＠mindspring.com 30 Mar '98

30 Mar '98

Steven T. Hatton wrote: > > Zentra, > > You say that people tend to migrate over to Linux based applications. I have > noticed that Mathematica and WordPerfect are available for Linux. I don't > know how well they are selling. I'm expect that it is a bit of a social > deviance to use software that you actually buy in the Linux community. If you look hard enough, you can get free apps for linux to do most things. Also much of the software you describe, is available to non- commercial users for free. > the other hand, if Linux were to become as easy to use as 95/NT for the > uninitiated, and Linux were capable of running software that people already > have invested money in, there would likely be a mass migration from M$ OSs to > Linux. > Well Linux is getting there. Look at KDE. It's not quite perfected, but getting there fast. And as far as command line use goes, linux is way easier to do things. The biggest drawback to windows is the lack of a 32 bit command line and language. I thought OS2 was way better than win95, just for having REXX. It still is a great single user system. Windows NT is really a waste unless you use the NTFS filesystem. I played with NT4 for awhile, and it isn't any easier than linux. In fact it is harder, because everything is hidden from you in dlls. The biggest drawback to win95-NT is the price. To set up winNT with Linux functionality and security, costs about $1000 !!! The NT Server license, plus Visual Basic, plus Visual C++, is way out of the reach of average people. Whereas SuSe is $50, Perl is free, and it has it's own compiler. Plus the source code is open to look at. I have a big distrust of corporate motives. I wouldn't want to trust the entire planets computer network to a profit seeking organization, who hides their code. Linux should be what is taught in schools, it is affordable to all students. > As far as running standard Win32 software on intel platforms goes, there is > no need for emulating the CPU as is done with a Sparc. All that needs to be > done is to emulate the Win32 API. I am not a stellar programmer, so that > "all" could be a lot more than I am making it sound like. The main reason > that I bring this up is not to dismiss the programming effort required, but > to observe that the intel based Win32 programs should perform at least as > well under Linux as under M$ OSs. > > Well you should look at the comp.emulators.wine ( I think that's right) newsgroup. They discuss the nuts and bolts of it. You are right. These guys see light at the end of the tunnel, so they are working hard. BUT.... there are so many little incompatibilities that pop up, principally due to Microsoft's habit of just patching up old code to make it work. That makes it very hard for "intelligent, methodical, programmers" to make a consistent emulation scheme. They just patch things up as they come. All in all, when it comes down to really getting daily computer work done, there is nothing better than the command line, with pipes and re-direction; and a powerful language like PERL. So we are talking about 2 different types of users. The web-surfers, and chat-room lovers, and people who want to print an occaisional T-shirt up on their ink-jet printer; comprise one group. They are always complaining about about system crashes, and lockups, and are willing to spend alot of money to "buy their way into computer functionality". Microsoft can make a bundle off of this group. This group would love to get win32's going on linux. It would make it easier to get the new "linux status-symbol" going for them. This isn't a huge market really. Then there are the real business computer professionals. These people need to connect, manage databases, print reports, make backups, and have systems which don't crash, and are understandable to configure to their special needs. Command line unix or linux is the best choice. I think the real shame in all of this is the lost educational opportunity we are missing with young kids in school. They could start learning Perl and unix command line stuff in 6th grade. You could use old 386's. Not with windows....gotta have Pentium II MMX's, etc., etc., etc. So the school boards can't afford it, and the kids can't afford it at home either. Get me drunk, and talking about this stuff.... I'll talk your ears off. :-) Gotta stop. zentara -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Win 32 & Linux
by hettar＠teleport.com 30 Mar '98

30 Mar '98

Steven T. Hatton wrote: > > Zentra, > > You say that people tend to migrate over to Linux based applications. I have > noticed that Mathematica and WordPerfect are available for Linux. I don't > know how well they are selling. I'm expect that it is a bit of a social > deviance to use software that you actually buy in the Linux community. On > the other hand, if Linux were to become as easy to use as 95/NT for the > uninitiated, and Linux were capable of running software that people already > have invested money in, there would likely be a mass migration from M$ OSs to > Linux. > Hi, I would like to know more about Mathematica, and WP7 I do have for Linux. I know that Star Office 5.0 (which will be out very soon) will Do OFFICE97 stuff (namely WORD97), had a German friend translate Star Divisions WWW site for me, as the anoucement is only in German for now. And 5.2 SuSE should bring all the (somewhat) latest stuff to us in an easy package.. I want a SUSE T-shirt!!!!!!!!!! (black please) hehehehe (you can get them) How about a coffee mug too :) (i dunno if they have em) > As far as running standard Win32 software on intel platforms goes, there is > no need for emulating the CPU as is done with a Sparc. All that needs to be > done is to emulate the Win32 API. I am not a stellar programmer, so that > "all" could be a lot more than I am making it sound like. The main reason > that I bring this up is not to dismiss the programming effort required, but > to observe that the intel based Win32 programs should perform at least as > well under Linux as under M$ OSs. > Let's not turn LInux into windows9X, although, you might say well all the software(retail) is made for them. With the trend seen today, you might say MS overwelms everything else, this might happen for a few more years, but I think it will start to die off. By 1999 NT4.0 will be around only, and thats Unix based(MS Unix), MS will cut off the life support for DOS/WIN.Old.. and more people will start complaining. > > Everyone had high hopes that SUN would continue with it, > > and get WABI to run win32's ; but they figure there really isn't > > a demand for it. Most linux users quickly switch to pure > > linux apps, or they dual boot to win95 or NT. > > zentara I wana be PURE LINUX POWER GNOMEs, Elfs, Trolls and Deamons...(is that all? ;) freewm, Binarys, QT, and you know demons(amt,kerneld) (off note- I think a G3 Mac running Linux, would be more powerful than a SMP Best Intel slot one or two or ?? heh. or Merced(blah), or Alpha) -- Steven Udell Wayfarers hettar(a)teleport.com for truth love sudell(a)teleport.com and courage <A HREF="http://www.teleport.com/~hettar"><A HREF="http://www.teleport.com/~hettar</A">http://www.teleport.com/~hettar</A</A>> -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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