March 1998 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[SuSE Linux] Boot Under NT boot loader!
by rommel＠esoterica.pt 21 Mar '99

21 Mar '99

<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2> Can someone tell me how to Boot Linux via LOADLIN through the Windoze NT boot loader?? With LILO it is possible, but I dont use LILO... And if it is through LOADLIN, how can I set it up?? Thx</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2> nelson</FONT></DIV>

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[SuSE Linux] Kernel 2.2.0
by rommel＠esoterica.pt 04 Mar '99

04 Mar '99

<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I have this little problem:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I installed the 2.2.0 kernel in a Suse6 installation, but it runs kernel 2.0.36 instead, WHY??????</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>And why doesn't the gcc compiler compile 2.2.2 kernel sources??</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Procedure:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2> make menuconfig</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2> make dep</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2> make clean</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2> make bzImage</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2> make modules</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2> make modules_install</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2> </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>

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[SuSE Linux] UNSUSCRIBE
by mcars＠khufu.rcanaria.es 26 Jan '99

26 Jan '99

<DIV><FONT size=2>Adioooooos</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Byeeeeee</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

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Re: [SuSE Linux] Mad as hell
by mathowel＠NMSU.Edu 21 Dec '98

21 Dec '98

<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>"Digs"</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>You cannot send out a message at 6:08 pm demanding a respone today or you will sue them. I do not believe that SuSE's business hours are after 6pm (most people's aren't). You were supposed to get a new copy by Friday? One business day has passed and you are threatening them with a lawsuit? Please. Inform this group of your problem and we will try to help you.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Matt Howell</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Southwest Web Masters</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>mathowel(a)nmsu.edu</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From: </B>digs <<A href="mailto:mjs@nts-online.net">mjs(a)nts-online.net</A>><BR><B>To: </B>support <<A href="mailto:support@suse.com">support(a)suse.com</A>><BR><B>Cc: </B><A href="mailto:suse-linux-e@suse.com">suse-linux-e(a)suse.com</A> <<A href="mailto:suse-linux-e@suse.com">suse-linux-e(a)suse.com</A>><BR><B>Date: </B>Monday, December 21, 1998 10:10 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[SuSE Linux] Mad as hell<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>First-<BR>let me me say I'am very mad..</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2><BR>I was given a corrupt cdrom that will not install<BR>I was promised another copy and have not recieved it..<BR>I was told I would have my new copy by 12/18/98</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Before you assume I dont know how to install or otherwise<BR>use Linux/Unix you are wrong.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The fact is I own and operate a small bussines and had been using Slackware<BR>and staroffice for my invoicing needs.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Should you choose not to respond today 12/21/98 I will take you to small claims court</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>for the amount of my purchase.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I have tried upwards of 15 times to conntact you during bussiness hours.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Invoice Number:0007071</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Custmer Id: XSAN100</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Sales Rep Id: SETE01</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>ThankYou</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>

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[SuSE Linux] I NEED YOUR HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by mathowel＠NMSU.Edu 13 Dec '98

13 Dec '98

<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Is there anyone on this mailing list that is willing to telnet to my machine and login as root (I will give you a temp. IP and password) to look around at why my X Server is not functioning. I have tried numerous things and got some good leads from Lenz but I cannot figure out what is wrong. If there is anyone I would appreciate a private e-mail to <A href="mailto:mathowel@nmsu.edu">mathowel(a)nmsu.edu</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>thanks a lot</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>matt howell</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>mathowel(a)nmsu.edu</FONT></DIV>

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[SuSE Linux] ATTN: LENZ GRIMMER
by mathowel＠NMSU.Edu 11 Dec '98

11 Dec '98

<DIV><FONT size=2>Lenz, this is what I get now</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>execue failed for /usr/X11R6/bin/X (errno 2)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>_X11 TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno 111</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>giving up.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X Server</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>xinit: no such process (errno 3): Server error.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>any more ideas?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Thanks again</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>matt howell</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>mathowel(a)nmsu.edu</FONT></DIV>

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Installation problems
by domlife＠domlife.com 08 Jun '98

08 Jun '98

1. Linux 5.2 is base-installed, under default package configuration plus components from 'n' (network) package set. 2. Boot looks fine. named is started (although I am not sure I set up anything for that expllicitly, probably under 'portmap' daemon) 3. eth0 is set up and works fine. 4. ppp0 is set up, both local and remote IP are 0.0.0.0 5. local ping works fine (ovr the LAN segment subnet). Now is the big one. 6. ping to an outside IP returns "Network is unreachable" Log of /etc/suseppp/scripts/ppp-up <provider> returns no errors and shoes 2 IPs assigned (local/remote). That is all I know. my best e-mail address: vicco(a)domlife.com (disregard the one in the header, if different) Looking forward very much for your reply. Vicco -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] How to set a different WM?
by alexser＠idt.net 01 Apr '98

01 Apr '98

Hi! I am a new user of Linux and S.u.S.E having just installed it yesterday. Now I am trying to find a way to change the default Window Manager to KDE. Could someone tell me which file should be changed and how? Also what should be done when I want to upgrade the version of KDE to a new one? Thank you in advance for your help. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Win 32 & Linux
by hattons＠CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil 31 Mar '98

31 Mar '98

zentara wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>If you look hard enough, you can get free apps for linux to do most <BR>things. Also much of the software you describe, is available to non- <BR>commercial users for free. <BR> <BR>Well Linux is getting there. Look at KDE. It's not quite perfected, but <BR>getting there fast.</BLOCKQUOTE> Yea, I want to play with that. I think its on the CD. I'll try to figure out how to set it up. >And as far as command line use goes, linux is way <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>easier to do things.</BLOCKQUOTE> Yep! <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Windows NT is really a waste unless you use the NTFS filesystem. <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Are there any advantages to NTFS over Linux file systems? I must plead ignorance here. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>I played with NT4 for awhile, and it isn't any easier than <BR>linux. In fact it is harder, because everything is hidden <BR>from you in dlls.</BLOCKQUOTE> Well for basic installation the first time around I will say that NT has the advantage. You really don't need to do a lot of thinking. On the other hand you *can't* do a lot of thinking with the NT installations. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> The biggest drawback to win95-NT is the price. <BR>To set up winNT with Linux functionality and security, <BR>costs about $1000 !!! The NT Server license, plus Visual Basic, <BR>plus Visual C++, is way out of the reach of average people. <BR>Whereas SuSe is $50, Perl is free, and it has it's own compiler.</BLOCKQUOTE> I have gcc loaded on my NT partition. It is the latest version. I believe there are actually many GNU ports to NT. I know that xemacs is being ported. NT cost me $200 +, a year ago. I got one disk and no software. Suse cost me $65, and came with more software than I have disk space. :-) <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> Plus the source code is open to look at. I have a big distrust <BR>of corporate motives. I wouldn't want to trust the entire planets <BR>computer network to a profit seeking organization, who hides their <BR>code.</BLOCKQUOTE> I don't mind big companies. I don't like the games that MS is playing. I think it is true that MS has become something of a monopoly. This is not good for the consumer. Monopolies are price setters not price takers. It seems clear to me that MS is trying to dump products on the market in an attempt to prevent companies like Netscape from making successful inroads into the computer software industry. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> Linux should be what is taught in schools, it is affordable <BR>to all students.</BLOCKQUOTE> Hmm, interesting. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> Well you should look at the comp.emulators.wine ( I think that's right) <BR>newsgroup. They discuss the nuts and bolts of it. <BR>You are right. These guys see light at the end of the tunnel, <BR>so they are working hard. BUT.... there are so many little <BR>incompatibilities that pop up, principally due to Microsoft's <BR>habit of just patching up old code to make it work. That makes it <BR>very hard for "intelligent, methodical, programmers" to make <BR>a consistent emulation scheme. <BR>They just patch things up as they come.</BLOCKQUOTE> I'll take a look. You should take a look at John D. Blair's book on Samba. He really brings this out in the realm of Lanman. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> So we are talking about 2 different types of users. The web-surfers, and chat-room lovers, and people who want <BR>to print an occaisional T-shirt up on their ink-jet printer; <BR>comprise one group. They are always complaining about about system <BR>crashes, and lockups, and are willing to spend alot of money <BR>to "buy their way into computer functionality". Microsoft <BR>can make a bundle off of this group. This group would <BR>love to get win32's going on linux. It would make it <BR>easier to get the new "linux status-symbol" going for them. <BR>This isn't a huge market really. <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Well, we are attempting what could become a huge intranet project for DoD, and we are doing much of it on NT. IT'S NOT MY FAULT! There are some pretty good MS based products out there. I am the only UNIX head in the group and my Unix experience is not great at this point. I really don't know what is out there as far as tools for UNIX / Linux and web tools go. I much prefer running Netscape servers on UNIX. There are often more permissions gotchas in UNIX, but onec you figure those out, well, you are running on UNIX. What more can I say? I have daily Dr. Watsons on my NT systems. One of my UNIX systems had been up for months until I did something do knock it out of commission. That was easier to fix on UNIX than it would have been on NT. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> </BLOCKQUOTE> Perhaps I should get my Dad's old 386 running Linux for my little sister. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> Get me drunk, and talking about this stuff.... I'll talk your <BR>ears off. :-) <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I'll take you up on that sometime. <PRE>-- "Alles Vergaengliche Ist nur ein Gleichniss" -Goethe, as quoted in Ludwig Boltzmann's Vorlessungen ueber Gastheorie.</PRE>

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Win 32 & Linux
by hattons＠CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil 31 Mar '98

31 Mar '98

Steven Udell wrote: > Steven T. Hatton wrote: > > > > Zentra, > > > > You say that people tend to migrate over to Linux based applications. I have > > noticed that Mathematica and WordPerfect are available for Linux. I don't > > know how well they are selling. I'm expect that it is a bit of a social > > deviance to use software that you actually buy in the Linux community. On > > the other hand, if Linux were to become as easy to use as 95/NT for the > > uninitiated, and Linux were capable of running software that people already > > have invested money in, there would likely be a mass migration from M$ OSs to > > Linux. > > > Hi, > I would like to know more about Mathematica, and WP7 I do have for > Linux. > I know that Star Office 5.0 (which will be out very soon) will Do > OFFICE97 > stuff (namely WORD97), had a German friend translate Star Divisions WWW > site for me, as the anoucement is only in German for now. And 5.2 SuSE > should bring all the (somewhat) latest stuff to us in an easy package.. > > I want a SUSE T-shirt!!!!!!!!!! (black please) hehehehe (you can get > them) > How about a coffee mug too :) (i dunno if they have em) > > > As far as running standard Win32 software on intel platforms goes, there is > > no need for emulating the CPU as is done with a Sparc. All that needs to be > > done is to emulate the Win32 API. I am not a stellar programmer, so that > > "all" could be a lot more than I am making it sound like. The main reason > > that I bring this up is not to dismiss the programming effort required, but > > to observe that the intel based Win32 programs should perform at least as > > well under Linux as under M$ OSs. > > > Let's not turn LInux into windows9X, although, you might say well all > the > software(retail) is made for them. With the trend seen today, you might > say > MS overwelms everything else, this might happen for a few more years, > but > I think it will start to die off. By 1999 NT4.0 will be around only, and > thats > Unix based(MS Unix), MS will cut off the life support for DOS/WIN.Old.. > and > more people will start complaining. > > > > > Everyone had high hopes that SUN would continue with it, > > > and get WABI to run win32's ; but they figure there really isn't > > > a demand for it. Most linux users quickly switch to pure > > > linux apps, or they dual boot to win95 or NT. > > > zentara > > I wana be PURE LINUX POWER > > GNOMEs, Elfs, Trolls and Deamons...(is that all? ;) > freewm, Binarys, QT, and you know demons(amt,kerneld) > > (off note- I think a G3 Mac running Linux, would be more powerful than > a SMP Best Intel slot one or two or ?? heh. or Merced(blah), or Alpha) > > -- > Steven Udell Wayfarers > hettar(a)teleport.com for truth love > sudell(a)teleport.com and courage > <A HREF="http://www.teleport.com/~hettar"><A HREF="http://www.teleport.com/~hettar</A">http://www.teleport.com/~hettar</A</A>> > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Steve, I understand your point of view. You just don't want to have anything to do with MS-Bill. I see a place in my paradigm where folks like you could be fully satisfied with the same base Linux running on your preferred platform, while those who wanted to emulate Win32 could add that functionality to their Linux x86 systems. I have been working as a sysadmin for five years now. I remember when NT was in beta. I have watched it become a dominant market player. One of the most effective selling points of NT/95 has been the ability to do everything that a Novell server or client could do, and then some. Microsoft has produced some decent products. (Word is not one of these, BTW. ) Right now they are crushing Netscape's browser development by dumping IE on the market. That yanks my chain big time! Part of the reason that MS can do this is because of their virtual stranglehold on the intel OS market. If they could not sell NT at $250 per workstation and 95 at $100 per workstation, if there were a Linux alternative to NT/95, MS would have to compete more equally in the marketplace when it comes to other software products. Now consider what happens when Joe administrator sets up his Linux system to run MS-SQL server. If MS-SQL server works well and does everything a Unix based SQL server can do, then Bill gets to keep the business. If, on the other hand, MS-SQL can't hang with another product, perhaps a freeware product, Bill looses the market share. People who transition to Linux because they can get it for much less, and can still use their MS investments, will then be free to move between Win32 based products and UNIX based products. It is also likely that software producers would be more willing to compile software for other CPUs that don't run NT, but can handle Win32 calls through Linux. There would be no need to port the code to UNIX style calls. All of a sudden, people are using a Win32 API on a non-intel platform, and Bill isn't getting a cut either. The Linx/UNIX user who doesn't want to participate in this simply doesn't load the Win32 emulator on his system. He uses pure Linux software, and keeps a clear conscience. I guess what I am trying to say is that one of the best ways to break down the MS proprietary fortress is to emulate MS OSs. I truly believe that Linux/UNIX can "do that too". Remember when people were saying that the reason MS-DOS was so successful was because it would run on open system architecture. IBM made a killing on this strategy for a while and then found that is had created its own major competition? Well, its about time there was an open systems operating system that could stand up to MS proprietary products. Mathematica: I love it! I have not yet tried it on Linux. I have run it on DOS, 95, and NT. See: www.wri.com NT = MS-UNIX? I would not say that. I am not as knowledgeable about the core UNIX architecture as I am of NT's architecture. There are some major differences at the user interface level that I can speak authoritatively about. First off, that stuff about POSIX compliance? I work in a Major DoD lab, and nobody talks about POSIX. UNIX products run on UNIX systems and Win32 products run on NT/95 systems. The NT/DOS scripting language doesn't hold a candle to UNIX shells. The registry makes basic system administration easier, but puts many restrictions on what you can do with a system. NT seems to me to be slower in every respect than UNIX. I also have far more problems with Dr. Watsons than I do with core dumps. As a workstation I have little trouble with NT other than the fact that it seems to take twice as long to load things as it does on Linux. I installed suse a week or so ago. At first I figured that it was going to be a clunky curiosity that I would play with a bit here and there, while my real work would be done on NT. I haven't booted into NT in days except to retrieve files. I am thinking of buying a new system. Before I tried suse, I was debating between NT and Solaris x86. (which I do like, but has few applications which run on it.) Now I am almost sure that I will put suse on my new system. (if it will run on the dual Pentium II 333 Asus MB). I then want to set up Samba and network with my current NT system. Steve -- "Alles Vergaengliche Ist nur ein Gleichniss" -Goethe, as quoted in Ludwig Boltzmann's Vorlessungen ueber Gastheorie. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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