July 2020 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse] Discord on Linux?? (not the nicest player from a privacy standpoint)
by David C. Rankin 29 Jul '20

29 Jul '20

On factory, I read the message about onboard tutorials being given via Discord on Linux. [opensuse-factory] next openQA tutorial/onboarding livestream on Wednesday July 29th 11 AM UTC I've heard my kids talk about it, but never tried it myself. I guess it is just a glorified IRC type chat app. I was even more surprised to find it is the main/update repos?? Okay. Well, I installed it, updated it, and it looks pretty much like it does on windows, and with any net "aware" app, I then set about picking through the settings to determine what avenues it provides for data to be lifted from my computer without my consent -- and shocked I was. Anyone installing will need to take a detailed walk through the Privacy settings and I would avoid testing the webcam. There are numerous setting your a opted-in to by default where you will be sending all kinds of data back to discord to "help make it better..." It also decides by default it will start every time you start your computer and will minimize to the system tray instead of exiting when you use the close-window control. (you may want to change both) All and all -- it looks like the same thing I've seen on the kids machine, and one of these days I'll figure out what it does. I was happy to learn how to use 'alien -r -c yourfile.deb' to turn a .deb file into an .rpm that can be installed to update it... So it was a worthwhile foray :) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] resolv.conf and VPNs
by Michael Fischer 29 Jul '20

29 Jul '20

For $WORK, I have to use a vpn which writes its own version of /etc/resolv.conf, but as of 2 days ago, I'm on 15.2, which has the whole /var/run/netconfig/resolv.conf thing going on. I'm noticing VERY frequent DNS failures in web browser contexts. I wonder if the browsers are flapping back and forth between what the vpn put in /etc/resolv.conf and what is in /var/run/netconfig/resolv.conf. dig(1) seems to consistently use what is in /etc/resolv.conf, so that isn't helping me debug... Thoughts? Suggestions? Thanks. Michael -- Michael Fischer michael(a)visv.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] Discord on Linux?? (not the nicest player from a privacy standpoint)
by Carlos E. R. 28 Jul '20

28 Jul '20

On 28/07/2020 20.20, Daniel Stevenson wrote: > On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:25 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote: > >> On 28/07/2020 17.52, David C. Rankin wrote: Please remember to post to the list, not to me in private, so that everybody can benefit from the information. >>> On factory, >>> >>>> I read the message about onboard tutorials being given via Discord on Linux. >>>> [opensuse-factory] next openQA tutorial/onboarding livestream on Wednesday >>>> July 29th 11 AM UTC >>>> I've heard my kids talk about it, but never tried it myself. I guess it is >>>> just a glorified IRC type chat app. I was even more surprised to find it is >>>> the main/update repos?? Okay. >> >> As I don't have kids, I have not heard about it :-p >> >> I think there is are ongoing effort to connect openSUSE channels on discord to IRC, so that we could use an IRC client instead. > > Indeed, this is handled through Matrix. However, this would obviously > be limited to text chat. I believe the reason they are pushing Discord > is that it has built-in screen sharing and voice calling in addition to > text making it easy to run something that resembles a class. The > openSUSE Discord "server" (a collection of rooms managed by a single > team, not a literal server) is actually very active. > >>>> Well, I installed it, updated it, and it looks pretty much like it does on >>>> windows, and with any net "aware" app, I then set about picking through the >>>> settings to determine what avenues it provides for data to be lifted from my >>>> computer without my consent -- and shocked I was. >>>> Anyone installing will need to take a detailed walk through the Privacy >>>> settings and I would avoid testing the webcam. There are numerous setting your >>>> a opted-in to by default where you will be sending all kinds of data back to >>>> discord to "help make it better..." >>>> It also decides by default it will start every time you start your computer >>>> and will minimize to the system tray instead of exiting when you use the >>>> close-window control. (you may want to change both) >> >> Well, the IRC client I use does the same. I use Pidgin. If I hit "close", an applet remains in the bar. I think (but not tried) that if I "closed" it, I can still be called by someone that wants to call me - like a phone. That's why it doesn't really close. >> >>>> All and all -- it looks like the same thing I've seen on the kids machine, >>>> and one of these days I'll figure out what it does. >>>> I was happy to learn how to use 'alien -r -c yourfile.deb' to turn a .deb >>>> file into an .rpm that can be installed to update it... So it was a worthwhile >>>> foray :) >> >> The conference is tomorrow, I understand? >> >> There other communication avenues. I hear talking about "matrix", for instance. No, I don't know what it is. There is mention of it in https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Communication_channels >> >> +++----------------- >> Other methods >> Other >> >> There are plenty of other ways to communicate with openSUSE users or to get support: >> >> Telegram >> Discord >> Matrix Community >> Usenet (Newsgroups). >> Jabber Multi-User-Chat (MUC). >> Wikis, a great source of documentation. See in particular openSUSE.org (this site) and the openSUSE-Community.org website. >> -----------------++- >> >> The "matrix" link is not hosted on the opensuse wiki, it is on https://matrix.to/#/+opensuse:matrix.org and I don't understand what it is about. There is no Linux tool to use it, only for IOS, so I don't really understand why we talk about it. > > You were probably searching for the wrong thing. Well, I'm following the official information available at the opensuse.org site. I posted the full URLs, see above. > I don't blame you; the > naming scheme isn't the greatest, but Matrix is actually a protocol, > like IRC, Ah. > and you can use many clients with it. Huh? > It is designed to be a > completely open source chat protocol that supports modern features like > image sharing and a chat history. Additionally, it can bridge with many > other protocols--it is how the openSUSE Discord server is connected to > IRC, as I mentioned previously. The flagship client is called Element, > and is available for all major OS's. There are of course other clients > out there that you can try, but Element is generally considered the most > feature complete. Element is the only client mentioned at the official opensuse link, and when I opened the page at another computer it said the only system supported was IOS. "IOS & ". Ie, nothing after the "&". Now I see Android after the "&", on the line beneath it. Not very clear to read. No Linux client supported (nor Windows). Very strange. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 (Legolas))

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[opensuse] What are we doing for Tbird 78 - No Enigmail support?
by David C. Rankin 28 Jul '20

28 Jul '20

All, There was a warning that appeared in Thunderbird 68 explaining that Enigmail will not work in Thunderbird 78, but that gpg would take its place. However, there seem to be issues with the gpg implementation. I rely on enigmail religiously -- what are we doing to address this? a. stick with 68 as long as possible? b. patch/fix enigmail or gqg so one or the other works as enigmail does now? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Lost disk space and strange dir ownership
by Michael Fischer 28 Jul '20

28 Jul '20

On a laptop with Leap 15.0, # df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on devtmpfs 3.9G 0 3.9G 0% /dev tmpfs 3.9G 0 3.9G 0% /dev/shm tmpfs 3.9G 18M 3.9G 1% /run tmpfs 3.9G 0 3.9G 0% /sys/fs/cgroup /dev/sda6 40G 37G 361M 100% / /dev/sda2 296M 46M 251M 16% /boot/efi /dev/sda7 449G 95G 332G 23% /home tmpfs 786M 4.0K 786M 1% /run/user/464 tmpfs 786M 0 786M 0% /run/user/0 tmpfs 786M 0 786M 0% /run/user/1000 Note particularly the /dev/sda6 40G 37G 361M 100% / Walking through everything in / with `du -sh` shows FAR less than 37G. (like, about 5G at most) `lsof | grep deleted` showed a handful of files owned by nscd. Stopping nscd.service showed those files gone from the `lsof` output, but no improvement in the usage reported by `df -h`. While google was busy telling me not much more useful that the above, I spotted the tmpfs 786M 4.0K 786M 1% /run/user/464 Which does not show up on the Desktop+Leap15.2 I'm currently writing this on. (and into which I logged on by going through lightdm; lightdm is def. running) Further, # ls -al /run/user/464/ ls: cannot access '/run/user/464/gvfs': Permission denied total 0 drwx------ 3 lightdm lightdm 60 Jul 27 13:29 . drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 100 Jul 27 13:21 .. d????????? ? ? ? ? ? gvfs What is up with that gfvs dir? (yes, there was other stuff in there before, I tried deleting it all but that thing just won't move). chmod(1), chown(1) just get 'permission denied' on that thing. Suggestions on any of the above puzzles? Thank you. Michael -- Michael Fischer michael(a)visv.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] How to search buildservice for zenity-gtk2?
by David C. Rankin 28 Jul '20

28 Jul '20

All, I tried opi - no luck. How can I search the buildservice home accounts to see if somebody is packaging zenity built with gtk2? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] OpenSUSE: simplest way to do a version upgrade
by Darryl Gregorash 27 Jul '20

27 Jul '20

Can a version upgrade be done entirely within YaST? Specifically: 1. amend all repositories from 15.1 to 15.2 2. use Online Update to do a "force update all" Also, can this be done from within a graphical session from a user account, should it be done when logged in as root, or should it be done strictly from a command line, but not logged into a graphical session? (Hopefully I've worded that so as not to be overly confusing ;) ) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] 15.2 kernel update removed kernel-devel, -source and -syms (again)
by David C. Rankin 27 Jul '20

27 Jul '20

All, The purge-kernels package is still removing and not updating more than it should. As in my prior e-mail, on the last kernel update for 15.2, the kernel-devel, kernel-source and kernel-syms packages were removed causing the dkms rebuild of virtualbox modules to fail. Another kernel update just took place with the same results. From the last thread it was clear this was a known issue with purge-kernels misbehaving. It's still not fixed. Do I need to file a bug or is a fix in the works? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] zypper-migration-plugin
by Darryl Gregorash 27 Jul '20

27 Jul '20

What is this zypper-migration-plugin package for? And, is it necessary to do a "zypper dup"? If so, why is it not installed by default? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] How to search for Leap 15.2 bugs?
by Bjoern Voigt 24 Jul '20

24 Jul '20

Before I will start to upgrade some computers to openSUSE Leap 15.2 I want to review the bugs for Leap 15.2. How can I do this easily? There is no filter for "openSUSE Leap 15.2" both in simple and advanced search in https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/. The bugs itself have a field "Version". I can query this field with a "Custom Search", but I would prefer a simpler solution like in the old times, where I could filter for e.g. "openSUSE 13.1" in simple search. I also miss a "openSUSE:Most annoying bugs 15.2" Wiki page. Greetings, Björn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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