On 28/07/2020 20.20, Daniel Stevenson wrote:
On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:25 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
On 28/07/2020 17.52, David C. Rankin wrote:
Please remember to post to the list, not to me in private, so that everybody can benefit from the information.
On factory,
I read the message about onboard tutorials being given via Discord on Linux. [opensuse-factory] next openQA tutorial/onboarding livestream on Wednesday July 29th 11 AM UTC I've heard my kids talk about it, but never tried it myself. I guess it is just a glorified IRC type chat app. I was even more surprised to find it is the main/update repos?? Okay.
As I don't have kids, I have not heard about it :-p
I think there is are ongoing effort to connect openSUSE channels on discord to IRC, so that we could use an IRC client instead.
Indeed, this is handled through Matrix. However, this would obviously be limited to text chat. I believe the reason they are pushing Discord is that it has built-in screen sharing and voice calling in addition to text making it easy to run something that resembles a class. The openSUSE Discord "server" (a collection of rooms managed by a single team, not a literal server) is actually very active.
Well, I installed it, updated it, and it looks pretty much like it does on windows, and with any net "aware" app, I then set about picking through the settings to determine what avenues it provides for data to be lifted from my computer without my consent -- and shocked I was. Anyone installing will need to take a detailed walk through the Privacy settings and I would avoid testing the webcam. There are numerous setting your a opted-in to by default where you will be sending all kinds of data back to discord to "help make it better..." It also decides by default it will start every time you start your computer and will minimize to the system tray instead of exiting when you use the close-window control. (you may want to change both)
Well, the IRC client I use does the same. I use Pidgin. If I hit "close", an applet remains in the bar. I think (but not tried) that if I "closed" it, I can still be called by someone that wants to call me - like a phone. That's why it doesn't really close.
All and all -- it looks like the same thing I've seen on the kids machine, and one of these days I'll figure out what it does. I was happy to learn how to use 'alien -r -c yourfile.deb' to turn a .deb file into an .rpm that can be installed to update it... So it was a worthwhile foray :)
The conference is tomorrow, I understand?
There other communication avenues. I hear talking about "matrix", for instance. No, I don't know what it is. There is mention of it in https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Communication_channels
+++----------------- Other methods Other
There are plenty of other ways to communicate with openSUSE users or to get support:
Telegram Discord Matrix Community Usenet (Newsgroups). Jabber Multi-User-Chat (MUC). Wikis, a great source of documentation. See in particular openSUSE.org (this site) and the openSUSE-Community.org website. -----------------++-
The "matrix" link is not hosted on the opensuse wiki, it is on https://matrix.to/#/+opensuse:matrix.org and I don't understand what it is about. There is no Linux tool to use it, only for IOS, so I don't really understand why we talk about it.
You were probably searching for the wrong thing.
Well, I'm following the official information available at the opensuse.org site. I posted the full URLs, see above.
I don't blame you; the naming scheme isn't the greatest, but Matrix is actually a protocol, like IRC,
Ah.
and you can use many clients with it.
Huh?
It is designed to be a completely open source chat protocol that supports modern features like image sharing and a chat history. Additionally, it can bridge with many other protocols--it is how the openSUSE Discord server is connected to IRC, as I mentioned previously. The flagship client is called Element, and is available for all major OS's. There are of course other clients out there that you can try, but Element is generally considered the most feature complete.
Element is the only client mentioned at the official opensuse link, and when I opened the page at another computer it said the only system supported was IOS. "IOS & ". Ie, nothing after the "&". Now I see Android after the "&", on the line beneath it. Not very clear to read. No Linux client supported (nor Windows).
Very strange.
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. robin.listas@telefonica.net wrote:
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The "matrix" link is not hosted on the opensuse wiki, it is on https://matrix.to/#/+opensuse:matrix.org and I don't understand what it is about. There is no Linux tool to use it, only for IOS, so I don't really understand why we talk about it. You were probably searching for the wrong thing.
Well, I'm following the official information available at theopensuse.org site. I posted the full URLs, see above.
I don't blame you; the naming scheme isn't the greatest, but Matrix is actually a protocol, like IRC,
Ah.
and you can use many clients with it.
Huh?
I just meant that there are multiple clients vs. a single app.
It is designed to be a completely open source chat protocol that supports modern features like image sharing and a chat history. Additionally, it can bridge with many other protocols--it is how the openSUSE Discord server is connected to IRC, as I mentioned previously. The flagship client is called Element, and is available for all major OS's. There are of course other clients out there that you can try, but Element is generally considered the most feature complete.
Element is the only client mentioned at the official opensuse link, and when I opened the page at another computer it said the only system supported was IOS. "IOS & ". Ie, nothing after the "&". Now I see Android after the "&", on the line beneath it. Not very clear to read. No Linux client supported (nor Windows).
Very strange.
I followed the link, and I realize now that it says "for Web, iOS, and Android." I suppose this is technically true, since the desktop apps are built with Electron (as are Discord's, by the way.) Quite misleading, though.
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