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Re: [SLE] The future of SuSE Linux as we know it?
by Kai Ponte 04 Apr '06

04 Apr '06

> On 04/04/06, Basil Chupin <blchupin(a)tpg.com.au> wrote: > > >>> In the latest TUX magazine there is a comparison of several Linux > > >>> distros and SuSE does NOT come up on top. The top choice is Mandriva, > > >>> and SuSE is beaten by other distros (Mepis comes in 2nd and Fedora as 3rd). > > >>> > > >>> > > >> I read this yesterday afternoon. It's interesting reading but I don't > > >> agree with the overall result. It does seem to be skewed. > > >> > > > > > > Anytime Mandriva comes out at the top of the list in a distro shoot-out, it makes the entire results of a product comparison suspect. Granted, certain community pundits (LinuxFormat & Tux) like Mandriva but the quality of the distribution is no longer the cutting edge distro that it was a year or so back, > > > > As you probably know, Mandriva is no longer the old Mandrake but is now > > a combination of Mandrake, Conectiva and Lycoris. > > > > > according to reports, Mandriva is hemoraging money, showed its founder to the door, and unless Mandriva team gets it act together, it most like will suffer an untimely demise. > > > > > Ah, so Mandriva is going and doing a "SuSE" then :-)? SuSE's old and > > intelligent brigade has been deserting also - or haven't you heard about > > that? - and Novell is also going down the financial gurgler. When they > > discovered (?)last year that SuSE actually made some money for them they > > were flabbergasted - which just goes to show how well they did their > > homework when they decided to buy SuSE. > > I would like to point out that, though I doubt the conditions that > testing was performed under in the Tux Magazine round up, I actually > like the latest two versions of Mandriva. Prior to these it was > absolutely awful. Now it is very good, very useable and I would not > hesitate recommending it to anybody. I would point them to SuSE as > being better :-) Interesting to note. I actually switched from Mandrake to SuSE because of my perception of them as going down in quality. I had run Mandrake 6 on my laptop and 8 on a test machine. When 10.0 came out I tried to use it but it wouldn't detect my hardware. Popping SuSE 9.1 in did the trick. I've been a SuSE/SUSE fan ever since. Besides, YOU is so much easier than urpmi. (Unless they now have some similar GUI tool which I don't know of.) > > Now, how do I also become a certified Cleavage Inspector :-))) is > this dependent upon one's height? Yeah, where do I sign up?? -- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org linux - genuine windows replacement part

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Which integrated desktop manager (was RE: Which Linux?
by mlist＠safenet-inc.com 04 Apr '06

04 Apr '06

> -----Original Message----- > From: Harikrishnan T [mailto:t.harikrishnan@gmail.com] > Again from Novell PR Blog (same URL) > "This decision has very little impact on either the openSUSE project or > future versions of SUSE Linux. SUSE Linux will continue to showcase the > newest open source desktop, development, and server technologies in a > complete, stabilized operating system. SUSE Linux will continue to > deliver > both the GNOME and the KDE desktop environments along with the latest > open > source packages for those environments." > No mention of the default. I don't think that it matters which is "default". For the purposes of users who favor one or the other desktop environment, what is important is the amount and quality of work that the distribution creators have put into customizing the one that the user prefers. Those of us who have tried a few different distros are aware that there can be a big difference in: - appearance - integration - ease and comfort of use between GNOME as it comes from GNOME.org and GNOME as it appears when fully integrated and prettied-up by loving distribution developers (or similarly between KDE as it comes from KDE.org and KDE as it appears when fully integrated and prettied-up by loving SuSE developers) who have created their own theme, organized the menus and taken pains to make a comfortable and seamless experience. If you are upgrading from a previous SuSE version, the upgrade should notice your preference and retain it in the new install/upgrade. If you are installing fresh, you get a choice of which to use - I favor having the choice to use both, and to switch between 'em when I log in. Now, declaring one or the other desktop as the default _may_ indicate that the non-default is not getting the same attention to detail, but it doesn't have to be that way, does it? Anyway, THAT is the thing I'd want addressed by the Novell blog or by somebody's semi-official statements on the list... if it was that important to me in the first place. Don't tell me that KDE is or is not the default. Tell me whether the KDE that I can invoke is much better integrated than the vanilla KDE that I can download from KDE.org. Tell me whether the GNOME that I can invoke is much better integrated than the vanilla GNOME that I can download from GNOME.org. Well, tell other people anyway. As I say, it's not that important to me, but I think that that is the aspect that is important to those to whom this stuff is ... important. Or something like that. Kevin The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it.

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Gnome 2.14??
by Dennis J. Tuchler 04 Apr '06

04 Apr '06

How can I find out whether SuSE intends to distribute the upgrade to Gnome shipped with SuSE 10.0? -- Best regards, Dennis J. Tuchler University City, Missouri 63130 USA Whatever is not forbidden is permitted -- Johann Christoph Friedrich von Schiller -- Wallensteins Lager

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strange boot problem after YOU
by Daniel Bauer 04 Apr '06

04 Apr '06

Hi everybody As I don't need Windows anymore I freed the small partition where the rest of Win was and installed SUSE 10.0 (downloaded version on CD's) a second time: I wanted to have another SUSE install so that in case of "something happens" to my running system I still have a bootable system. Install went fine, I could boot the new (second) SUSE and the "normal" too. Then I run YOU, among others installing the new kernel 2.6. But after reboot I get Error 18: selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS I found some explanations about this message, saying "This error is returned when a read is attempted at a linear block address beyond the end of the BIOS translated area. This generally happens if your disk is larger than the BIOS can handle (512MB for (E)IDE disks on older machines or larger than 8GB on others.). In more practical terms this means the BIOS is unable to start executing the kernel because the kernel is not located within the block it can access at boot up time." (from http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB ) I understand that I should make a separate, small /boot partition in the first 1024 sectors. But what I wonder about is: - why does my "normal" SUSE 10 (same kernel, no separate /boot partition) boot without any poblem? - why did the new SUSE 10 boot easily before the YOU update? This makes me think, thant it can't be a problem of the BIOS nor of the disk size...??? Here are some details that could maybe help to locate the problem: - kernel used in both installations: 2.6.13-15.8-default "old" (running) Suse 10.0 GRUB is installed in the MBR "new" (non-booting) GRUB is installed in the boot sector of /dev/hda1 menu.lst (of "old System") looks like this: ----------- color white/blue black/light-gray default 0 timeout 8 gfxmenu (hd2,0)/boot/message title SUSE LINUX 10.0 root (hd2,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdg1 vga=0x31a selinux=0 acpi=off resume=/dev/hde1 splash=verbose showopts initrd /boot/initrd title SUSE LINUX 10.0 (/dev/hda1) root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 vga=0x31a selinux=0 acpi=off resume=/dev/hde1 splash=verbose showopts initrd /boot/initrd title Diskette chainloader (fd0)+1 title Failsafe -- SUSE LINUX 10.0 root (hd2,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdg1 vga=normal showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noresume selinux=0 nosmp noapic maxcpus=0 edd=off 3 initrd /boot/initrd --------------- fstab (of running system) looks like this: /dev/hdg1 / reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 1 /dev/hda7 /eigene reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 2 /dev/hde3 /home reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 2 /dev/hda6 /opt reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 2 /dev/hde2 /srv reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 2 /dev/hda3 /tmp reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 2 /dev/hda2 /usr reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 2 /dev/hda5 /var reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 2 /dev/hda1 /suse10.0resc reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 2 /dev/hde1 swap swap defaults 0 0 proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 sysfs /sys sysfs noauto 0 0 usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs noauto 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts mode=0620,gid=5 0 0 /dev/dvd /media/dvd subfs noauto,fs=cdfss,ro,procuid,nosuid,nodev,exec,iocharset=utf8 0 0 /dev/cdrecorder /media/cdrecorder subfs noauto,fs=cdfss,ro,procuid,nosuid,nodev,exec,iocharset=utf8 0 0 /dev/hdb4 /media/zip auto noauto,user 0 0 /dev/fd0 /media/floppy subfs noauto,fs=floppyfss,procuid,nodev,nosuid,sync 0 0 /dev/hdg2 /fotosave reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 2 -------------- where /dev/hda1 (/suse10.0resc) is the partition of the new non-booting install Can anybody tell me what was going wrong with the new install after YOU? thanks for help. Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Switzerland professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com special interest site: http://www.bauer-nudes.com

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Re: [SLE] The future of SuSE Linux as we know it?
by Clint Tinsley 04 Apr '06

04 Apr '06

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevanf1" <kevanf1(a)gmail.com> > To: "SuSE Group" <suse-linux-e(a)suse.com> > Subject: Re: [SLE] The future of SuSE Linux as we know it? > Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:47:32 +0100 > > > In the latest TUX magazine there is a comparison of several Linux > > distros and SuSE does NOT come up on top. The top choice is Mandriva, > > and SuSE is beaten by other distros (Mepis comes in 2nd and Fedora as 3rd). > > > > I read this yesterday afternoon. It's interesting reading but I don't > agree with the overall result. It does seem to be skewed. Anytime Mandriva comes out at the top of the list in a distro shoot-out, it makes the entire results of a product comparison suspect. Granted, certain community pundits (LinuxFormat & Tux) like Mandriva but the quality of the distribution is no longer the cutting edge distro that it was a year or so back, according to reports, Mandriva is hemoraging money, showed its founder to the door, and unless Mandriva team gets it act together, it most like will suffer an untimely demise.

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KBear FTP on SuSE 10.0
by Clint Tinsley 04 Apr '06

04 Apr '06

KBear crashes on me consistenly making it unusable. I have tolerated this as I really didn't need it, using the command line FTP client for doing single file FTP transfers. But I would really like to have KBear work, no clue why it crashes, the KDE crash handler complains about SIG something but thats about all the information I have. Anyone with any experience with KBear and getting it to work or an alternative GUI FTP client that might work in the SuSE 10.0 (Retail) environment. Be nice to be able to drag and drop folders between the FTP site and the local host. Thanks, Clint

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Hebrew in Kontact
by Avraham Hanadari 04 Apr '06

04 Apr '06

How can I input Hebrew in Kontact? I have the Hebrew keyboard, but I have not been able to find a way to make the text enter from the right, and have the proper punctuation. I have been using Thunderbird in Windows, and it has tools for bidi editing. Thanks in advance. Avraham Hanadari הנה דוגמה של עברית. האם היא נראת בסדר?

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Tv card
by Gustavo Dutra 04 Apr '06

04 Apr '06

Hi I have a suse 10 machine shared between 2 users. Every time one user watches tv using the tv card, something in SUSE changes the video permission(/dev/video), and the second user can't access de device(error message 'permission denied') after the first user no longer uses it. If I make a chmod 777 /dev/video, the permissions are restored so the second user can watch tv again, but there must be another/better way. Both users are in the video group. Thanks in advance....

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bootsplash support Widescreen?
by Dawei Pang 04 Apr '06

04 Apr '06

Hi! My laptop is widescreen 1280x800. Can we make the bootsplash support this resolution? And the animate of kdm can not support the resolution yet. Can we do something to support that?

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Re: [opensuse] 10.1 Beta 9 uses too high refresh for 1280x1024 LCD
by Mark Gray 04 Apr '06

04 Apr '06

Steffen Winterfeldt <snwint(a)suse.de> writes: > On Mon, 3 Apr 2006, Mark Gray wrote: > >> This is the same thing that happened when I installed SUSE-10.0 boxed >> set on this machine -- when starting the install using the default >> 1280x1024 resolution, the installer uses too high a refresh rate for >> my brand new HP vs17e LCD monitor H: 46.4 kHz V: 87Hz. The best > This is 43Hz interlaced (!). Not much to do about it, the BIOS picks > the timing. The computer is an HP also -- you'd think the BIOS would know better. When I encountered the problem with 10.0 there were a lot of hits for the same problem on google, so some sort of warning might save some installation support calls.

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