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[opensuse] IMAPS over IPv6
by James Knott 24 May '10

24 May '10

I've tried connecting to my mail server via IPv6. While it works fine when connecting from the computer the server is running on, I cannot connect from another computer via IPv6. It works fine using IPv4 from any computer. As I understand it, I may have to make a change in /etc/xinetd.d/imap, but I'm not sure exactly what. Any ideas? Changing flags = IPv4 to IPv6 does not appear to work. BTW, I'm using the WU imap server on OpenSUSE 11.0. tnx jk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] [Fwd: Returned mail: see transcript for details]
by Marco Calistri 24 May '10

24 May '10

Hello, Is the Returned Mail Error I'am being annexing hereby related to some issue on opensuse maililing server? I start to see these transcripts errors from yesterday. Thanks! -- opensuse 11.2 - Linux 2.6.31.12-0.2-default x86_64 AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology MK-36 - GeForce Go 6150 Gnome 2.28.2

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[opensuse] UFO sighted in 11.0 filesystem root - have others experienced similar UFO sightings
by David C. Rankin 24 May '10

24 May '10

Guys, I sighted an Unidentified Filesystem Object in the filesystem root this evening and need to see if others have evidence of such a phenomena. The object in question is: 01:25 alchemy:~/suse/art> l / drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-03-30 09:56 .config/ 01:25 alchemy:~/suse/art> l /.config -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 278 2010-03-30 09:56 Trolltech.conf 01:25 alchemy:~/suse/art> cat /.config/Trolltech.conf [Qt%20Plugin%20Cache%204.6.false] usr\lib64\kde4\plugins\kauth\backend\kauth_backend_plugin.so=40602, 0, x86_64 linux g++-4 full-config, 2010-03-27T00:42:10 usr\lib64\kde4\plugins\kauth\helper\kauth_helper_plugin.so=40602, 0, x86_64 linux g++-4 full-config, 2010-03-27T00:42:11 (Why the DOS path separators?) Now I know what this object is, but the question outstanding is what could I have done to put this creature on my filesystem. What in the heck is a kde4 shared object from out qt buddies at Trolltech doing hanging off my filesystem root. It seems that this object has been abandoned by whatever dropped him off there: 01:41 alchemy:~/suse/art> rpm -q --whatprovides /.config file /.config is not owned by any package 01:41 alchemy:~/suse/art> rpm -q --whatprovides /.config/Trolltech.conf file /.config/Trolltech.conf is not owned by any package However, the culprit may be identified by what it still points to: 01:44 alchemy:~/suse/art> rpm -q --whatprovides /usr/lib64/kde4/plugins/kauth/backend/kauth_backend_plugin.so kdelibs4-core-4.4.3-255.1 01:44 alchemy:~/suse/art> rpm -q --whatprovides /usr/lib64/kde4/plugins/kauth/helper/kauth_helper_plugin.so kdelibs4-core-4.4.3-255.1 01:44 alchemy:~/suse/art> rpm -q kdelibs4-core kdelibs4-core-4.4.3-255.1 That looks bad. I wonder if now kde4 can't find what it is looking for due to nobody knowing part of a config is hanging off the root filesys.... Have others experienced such a UFO sighting in the past few weeks? Does anybody have any thoughts how the trolltech.conf got there? The 'user' config files in ~/.config/Trolltech.conf contain a lot more info than this one. If it was root's, why isn't it in /root? If it is some system-wide config, why isn't it in /etc? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [Bulk] Re: [opensuse] Quirks in a new v11.2 system
by Anton Aylward 24 May '10

24 May '10

Stan Goodman said the following on 05/23/2010 04:55 PM: > At 02:39:09 on Sunday Sunday 23 May 2010, Anton Aylward >>> That's what makes it intuitive. >> >> You are confusing "intuitive" with "conditioned". > > No I'm not. And if I am, and if Stonehenge is a computer not an > observatory, what in hell is the earthly difference? We were talking > about overwhelming many users with an unnecessarily abrupt change in > paradigm. Let me get this right. You're saying the devices I mentioned are for observation not computation. No doubt you consider a GPS unit a computer because it has knobs and dials and electronics, but the yard-staff, sextant or chip-log used for navigation are not. The GPS has a "nice" user interface, and the old tools don't? A few years ago West Point gave up teaching navigation and expected its graduates to rely on GPS units. > You have a fascinating debating style. Rather than concentrate > on the very restricted subject, which might actually open your mind a bit > to the fact that you have never thought about the effects of that change > on your users, you move off into history that is irrelevant, You see history as KDE3 vs KDE4, or openSuse 11. vs 11.2. I see it deeper; I see the same patterns of human behaviour and attitude. Many people in many fields ranging from politics to medicine to urban design to writing novels and making movies to marketing to user interface think that studying the patterns of human behaviour though history is important. > The fact (apparently unpleasant to you) is that the whole point of > developing KDE is to make it useful to users. To make life easy for > users. Although KDE is not a profit making organization, it exists > entirely to serve its users (I am choosing my words carefullu). I would question the "entirely". Few OSS projects started other than a personal matter and personal enthusiasm and personal challenges. Once there was no Gnome or KDE - there I go, history again - and we had to live with things written pretty raw on X. Early window managers were pretty unsophisticated. That people adopted Gnome and KDE surely stroked the egos of the developers and they were glad to deal with challenges that users brought up. But this is not a commercial venture. I'm sure those people would have worked on the code even if their WMs hadn't been popular. I'm sure David can tell us of obscure WMs that have a very small user base, but that doesn't mean the developers lacked a vision they wanted to "impose" with their creation. Personally I like the vision behind KDE4 and prefer it to the vision behind Gnome. Was I upset at the change from KDE3? Not any more than I'm upset when I have to drive on the "other" side of the road when I visit England or talk in another language when I visit France or Italy or Germany. > Many users view their computers as a means of accomplishing the tasks with > which they are confronted, and couldn't care less about bleeding edges. > Maybe they are the majority and maybe they are not, I don't know; neither > do you. And tragically, out of your own mouth, you care, because they are > recidivists -- not your kind of foks. No, people want two things form their computer: stability and a functionality that meets their learning curve. They tend to be vocal about the first. You certainly are: you've been vocal about the problems you've had with things not working: your mouse, your boot menu and so on. The unspoken reality is that when people get comfortable with what they have they reach for more. That's why we aren't living in caves any more. Opps! history :-) If it comes down to a matter of attitude, then I think I'm ahead of you. I have a working openSuse 11.2, have hacked at the GRUB and boot process, have a mouse _and_ a touchpad working in parallel, and have a wildly functionally successful KDE4 implementation. I even have an ATI Radeon and a BroadCom Wifi working! I've been patient and open minded about the bumps along the way and worked _with_ the developers. I don't see it as "bleeding edge", certainly not when I look at the problems that exist in "legacy" commercial code that I am sometimes compelled to use. But then I'm, as you point out, looking at things in a broader, more open perspective, and have seen how things have changed and developed and expect them to continue to do so: change being the one constant. I don't hark back to some "golden age" (KDE3?) or bemoan its passing. There are some people on this list a lot older than me and who must have seen (and used) a lot of "history". I note that they don't talk down KDE4 either. Perhaps the "historical perspective" that you bemoan is important when it comes to Getting Things Done. After all, us 'old historic fogies' have functional openSuse 11.2, mouse and KDE4. -- We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. — Dwight D. Eisenhower -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] How to avoid using menu sections with YaST Bootloader
by Marc Chamberlin 23 May '10

23 May '10

When I use YaST to set up my boot loader, I noted that is uses the menu section to define how to boot up previous versions of openSuSE. This is resulting in a chain of menus, each leading to the menu list for the previous version of SuSE, which is a PITA when trying to boot up an old version of openSuSE... Is there any way to tell YaST not to use menu sections when it proposes a merge with other existing GRUB bootloaders? Marc...

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[opensuse] Help! - Can't boot kernel because no depmod -a --> can't depmod -a because I can't boot kernel (chicken or the egg??)
by David C. Rankin 23 May '10

23 May '10

listmates, I am having difficulty installing a couple of kernels on 11.0 i586. I have installed them on my x86_64 box without any problems. I've been fighting it for a few hours and now need to cry for help... so... Help Please! I have installed: kernel-pae-2.6.32.11-1.1.i586.rpm kernel-pae-base-2.6.32.11-1.1.i586.rpm kernel-pae-devel-2.6.32.11-1.1.i586.rpm kernel-source-2.6.32.11-1.1.noarch.rpm From: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/hennichodernich:/backport-s… kernel-pae-2.6.31.12-2.1.i586.rpm is also available from http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/hennichodernich:/backport-s… I did the same thing on my x86_64 box and the kernel booted just fine. (FYI both kernels work very well on 11.0, so you have a good upgrade path to 2.6.31 or 2.6.32 available) On boot the i586 system goes through the grub menu and I select the kernel to boot, and everything looks normal until it goes to mount the root partition. It then give the error similar to: waiting on mandatory device: /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Hitachi_HTS541616J9AT00_SB044DCJEJS1BH-part2................... Then it asks to try the fallback device: /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_Hitachi_HTS5416_SB044DCJEJS1BH-part2 (new kernel uses the 'ata-Hitachi-blahblah' 2.6.25.20-0.7 uses 'scsi-SATA_Hitachi-blahblah') The problem is that apparently there are no modules compiled into the initrd so it can't mount the ext3 partitions. I know it is a modules issue, because it couldn't even mount my usb-stick, giving the error: unknown filesystem type 'vfat'. To me it seems like a 'chicken and the egg problem'. You need the modules.dep file from the /lib/modules/<newkernel>, but you can't create it with depmod -a until you boot the kernel. (I know this is done all the time, but I can deduce where in the process this takes place) If you wait until you are ready to try and boot the kernel -> your hosed with this problem. This should be a simple fix, but the light bulb upstairs hasn't blinked on. What's the trick and what do I need to do to fix it? I booted the installed OS from the suse install DVD and reinstalled 2.6.25.20-0.7, so I now have all 3 kernels installed. After reinstall, 2.6.25.20-0.7 boot just fine so all the disk/by-id information in grub/device.map and menu.lst and fstab is fine. What say the experts? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Wine TCP/IP connectivity
by Ciro Iriarte 23 May '10

23 May '10

Hi, i'm trying to run a legacy windows application with wine. It's supposed to connect to a SQL Server using ADO. For basic testing I setup a DSN with native ODBC, the thing is it can't reach the server. Anybody knows what would be a basic TCP/IP connectivity test for wine? wine-1.1.28-2.3.i586 openSUSE 11.2 Regards, -- Ciro Iriarte http://cyruspy.wordpress.com -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] openSUSE Weekly News 124 is out!
by Sascha 'saigkill' Manns 23 May '10

23 May '10

We are pleased to announce: Issue 124 of openSUSE Weekly News is out! [0] For a list of available translations see this page: http://wiki.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE:Weekly_News/124/Translations [0] http://news.opensuse.org/2010/05/22/opensuse-weekly-news-issue-124-is-out/ -- Sincerely yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Community & Support Agent openSUSE Marketing Team Blog: http://saigkill.wordpress.com Web: http://www.open-slx.de (openSUSE Box Support German) Web: http://www.open-slx.com (openSUSE Box Support English) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Quirks in a new v11.2 system
by Stan Goodman 23 May '10

23 May '10

After installing v11.2 system and getting it working reasonably well, yesterday I installed it also on my desktop computer. The installation itself was very easy. The installed system exhibits two (so far) queer behaviors. 1) There is no Main Menu (the chameleon menu) at the left end of the panel. In its place, there is a button for the . I need this menu; the c11.2 installation in the laptop machine has it, although it is labeled "Computer", for some reason (or without reason, with no graphic). How can I get one? 2) After the new system boots, with the desktop already displayed on the screen, the mouse cursor is erratic -- more than twice out of every three boots. It is sometimes invisible, and unresponsive -- if I try to move it, it may either remain where it is or suddenly appear in another position having no connection with the direction in which I tried to move it, or the intended distance, and may then be either visible or not. Sometimes this is cured by time in some minutes, sometimes I need to reboot, but can do that only by pressing the computer's main switch (which fortunately does call up the shutdown menu). I saw such behavior sometimes in one particular installation of v10.3, but this is worse and more frequent. How can I approach this problem? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Force IPv6 router solicitation
by James Knott 23 May '10

23 May '10

When an IPv6 enabled network interface is started, it sends out router solicitation to ask for router info, which the router returns in a router advertisement. I find this works well with wired ethernet connections, but when I'm using wireless, it apparently fails. I suspect it may be a timing issue with bringing up the WiFi NIC, as I can get it to work if I do an rcnetwork restart. Is there a way to force a router solicitation, short of restarting networking or the interface? I'm running OpenSUSE 11.0. tnx jk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help(a)opensuse.org

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