June 2003 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

RE: [SLE] Microsoft Vs. Linux Desktop Battle Heats Up
by Jonathan Shilling 11 Jun '03

11 Jun '03

Actually, I agree with the thought of using a separate directory for the libraries, but it should only be necessary when the need library cannot be found on the system that you are loading on. You are probably correct in the cause of dll-hell, however if the libraries were more standardized it might help as well. Jonathan > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick LeRoy [mailto:nleroy@cs.wisc.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:21 PM > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: [SLE] Microsoft Vs. Linux Desktop Battle Heats Up > > > On Tuesday 10 June 2003 1:03 pm, Jonathan Shilling wrote: > > If the package would include the necessary libraries to > install and run, > > rather than being dependentant on what the distro may > already come with, > > should resolve this issue. For the most part just about > every package I > > have come across I could compile and execute on Mandrake, > SuSE, Red Hat, > > Debian, and *BSD. There is only the matter of porting the > libraries. > > Jonathan > > Sorry, but I ardently disagree here. This is what all the > Windoze apps do, > and is IMHO what's been known to cause the DLL-hell that > anybody whose ever > used windoze has battled too many times. > > Now, I suppose I might relax my position _if_ it could > install these libs in a > non-shared (ie app specific) location. Instead of installing > a different > libfoo.so in /usr/lib, package bar installed in, say, > /opt/bar, and installed > /opt/bar/lib/libfoo.so and /opt/bar/bin/bar is a shell script > that sets > LD_LIBRARY_PATH before starting the _real_ > /opt/bar/bin/bar.bin. Even then, > however, I'd say this should only be done _when neccessary_. > > -Nick > > > -- > Check the headers for your unsubscription address > For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com > Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com > Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq(a)suse.com > > >

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Real Audio file converter
by Adinda Praditya 11 Jun '03

11 Jun '03

Dear list,... Is there any application who convert rm and ra files to mp3 or wav? Thanks, Adinda Praditya

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RE: [SLE] libexpat.so.1
by Berge, Harry ten 11 Jun '03

11 Jun '03

What about 'expat' :-) ? > -----Original Message----- > From: Adinda Praditya [SMTP:duduang@softhome.net] > Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 1:45 PM > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > Subject: [SLE] libexpat.so.1 > > Dear list,... > > What package (RPM) that contain libexpat.so.1 ?? I tried to search at > rpmfind.net but there's no result. It is required for installing a > software. > > Thanks, > > Adinda Praditya > > -- > Check the headers for your unsubscription address > For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com > Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com > Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq(a)suse.com >

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Did SCO Violate the GPL?(OT)
by Fred A. Miller 11 Jun '03

11 Jun '03

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1123176,00.asp The source, who has seen both the Unix System V source code and the Linux source code and who assisted with a SCO project to bring the two kernels closer together, [...] "During that project we often came across sections of code that looked very similar, in fact we wondered why even variable names were identical. It looked very much like both codes had the same origin, but that was good as the implementation of 95 percent of all Linux system calls on the Unix kernel turned out to be literally 'one-liners'" Only a handful of system calls-socketcall, ipc and clone-were fairly difficult to implement as they involved the obvious differentiators between Linux and Unix: networking, inter-process communication and kernel threads. -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft®. We have no bugs in our software, Never!, We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost, to you, at this time.

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enter the matrix
by ro b 11 Jun '03

11 Jun '03

Friend of mime just gave me the new Enter ther matrix game. Unfortunately,The box states "system requirements" as running Windows 98,ME,XP. None of which I have. Is there a way I can play this on my linux machine? BTW I;m running 7.3 TIA

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[suse-autoinstall] Help on Apache2 and PHP4 in SuSE Pro 8.2
by Anders Norrbring 11 Jun '03

11 Jun '03

> If this doesn't help followup on the duplicate post you just sent to > SLE, not on a completely unrelated list. Actually, I thought "autoinstall" referred to just the automatic choices made by the installation program used in SuSE, if not, what DOES it refer to? Anders Norrbring Norrbring Consulting

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Re: [SLE] Microsoft Vs. Linux Desktop Battle Heats Up
by Nick LeRoy 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

On Tuesday 10 June 2003 3:08 pm, Richard Bos wrote: > Op dinsdag 10 juni 2003 21:56, schreef Nick LeRoy: > > I guess the real issue is that each application typically comes with > > their own fancy installer, and doesn't take advantage of these > > capabilities. How do we get them to use the standard tools. I guess > > there's still an issue with .deb vs. .rpm, etc. Sigh. > > Nick, > > apt is available for many distros already, including Debian (of course), > RH, SuSE, Lindows, and some more. rpms can be converted with "alien" to > .deb pkgs. However, the Linux Standard Base specifies rpm as standard pkg. > > I would say there is a universal installer available. The only thing is > that the .spec files must be adapted to each distro, as they differ in > details (RH has rpm-4 e.g. while SuSE uses rpm-3). I still have some doubts, but I'd love to be proven wrong. Will it truely install things that are shipped with the "application" package if and only if it's not already installed in a standard location? There are certainly going to be new libraries, etc., that aren't shipped (even with SuSE) with the distro, but are still not application specific. So, in general, I don't know how apt could "find" it. I want it to be able to handle it either way. I guess there are several distinct cases: 1. Already installed. Simple. 2. Incompatible version installed 2a. apt knows how to get compatible version, installs it 2b. apt doesn't know how to get compatible version, installs the version shipped with the application 3. Not installed 3a. apt knows how to get compatible version, installs it 3b. apt doesn't know how to get compatible version, installs the version Can it do all of that? Can Joe Developer take his source code, do a single "make package", and wind up with a single set of things such that _any_ user with apt installed on their system can: 1. Insert the CDROM into their cup holder, click <install>, and sit back 2. Download a single set of files from some web site, and have the apt interface do the right thing? If so, then I stand *gladly* corrected. If not, we're not "there" yet. I'll grant that we're getting close, and that apt certainly sounds like a great tool that I need to explore, but I haven't seen any evidence that it can do all of this _yet_. Please correct me if I'm wrong. -Nick

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RE: [SLE] Strange Apache error
by Peer Stefan 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

Hi, > From: Olle Viksten [mailto:olle@viksten.com] > As of June 9 my apache has started to behave strange. I > first noticed it when > I was trying to access it locally. Apache was dead. tried to > restart it and > then checked status - running. I tried to connect once again > and failed. > Checked status again - dead. Did you check the system log? What is in /var/log/messages? > I can restart apache but as soon as anyone tries to access it it dies. > > The only error I found in the errorlog, besides astale pid, was: > [warn] Apache does not support line-end comments. Consider > using quotes around > argument: "# crossover" You can check your configuration with 'apachectl configtest' - it prints out the warning and the acording line number > I've tried to find this offending argument in various > configuratin files, in > /etc/httpd /etc/sysconfig... Did you check for .htaccess files? They also contain configuration directives. > AFAIK I've made no changes to any configs before June 9 > > Does anyone have any idea what is going on. What changes have been made before June 9? Did your apache binaries change since then? Is anything else behaving strangely on your system? In other words - have you been rooted? regards, Stefan

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Suggestions for checkbook program
by Richard 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

Currently I have used quicken thru VMWare to sync checkbook data with my palm. Is there a direct linux alternative? As I have looked around, some will export to a .QIF file, some import, all seem to require the two-part of import/export the .QIF file. Also most seem only to go one way (pocketmoney). I see checkbooktracker will both import and export. Is it far enough along to be stable, reliable? Anyone with any experiences here? Richard

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re[2]: [SLE] Samba and OS-X
by Greg Freemyer 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

>> Greg Freemyer wrote: >> >I'm trying to use Samba to serve a filesystem to some OS-X machines. >> > >> >The basic connection works, but a lot of the files I'm trying to migrate >> have a >> >"*" in the filename. >> > >> >Linux obviously supports that if you handle it correctly. >> > >> >Is there someway in Samba to make it work? >> > >> >Thanks >> >Greg >> > >> Don't know, will try it out...... >> Maybe a odd question but why not use NFS ?????? That may be the way to go, but I'm not sure I trust NFS on SuSE 8.2. >From my testing NFS under SuSE 8.2 is very slow. (I have not tried any tuning, just default exports and mounts.) I'm using XFS as my underlying FS. i.e. Using iometer, against SuSE 8.2, I find Samba writes are about 3x faster than NFS v3 writes. Also, on my first use of NFS under 8.2, I copied a multi-gigabyte file to it. The whole FS locked up. I had to boot single-user and run xfs_repair. :-( I guess I'm gun shy at this point. Greg -- Greg Freemyer

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