June 2003 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

RE: [SLE] Microsoft Vs. Linux Desktop Battle Heats Up
by Jonathan Shilling 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

Some installers will already do this, such as the Yast2 installer. It goes into it's database and check dependencies, an d attempts to install the proper libraries. Another option would be for the installer to search the internet, eh? I have seen a few M$ installers do that. The differences in libraries that I have seen, are primarily with older apps. Jonathan > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick LeRoy [mailto:nleroy@cs.wisc.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 2:04 PM > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: [SLE] Microsoft Vs. Linux Desktop Battle Heats Up > > > On Tuesday 10 June 2003 1:53 pm, Michael George wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 01:40:21PM -0500, Jonathan Shilling wrote: > > > Actually, I agree with the thought of using a separate > directory for the > > > libraries, but it should only be necessary when the need > library cannot > > > be found on the system that you are loading on. > > > > This is what OSX apps can do. If there is anything > app-specific, it goes > > into the app directory. And to OSX, an "application" isn't > an executable, > > but actually that directory, Application.app. > > > > I know that my copy of Applixware 5.0 does this: when > installing, it checks > > for correct versions of libraries. If they are not there, > I am given the > > option of opdating my system or of installing those > libraries for use only > > with Applixware. Because of this, I have a software package that I > > originally put on RedHat in 2000 and just last month > installed on SuSE 8.2 > > and it works still. > > > > > You are probably correct in the cause of dll-hell, however if the > > > libraries were more standardized it might help as well. > > > > I don't understand what you mean. libgtk is built from the > same source > > whether it's on RHL, Mandrake, Debian, or SuSE. I don't > pretend to know > > everything about linux, though, so perhaps I will learn > something from your > > troubles. > > After reflecting on it a bit more, I want more than just this, too... > > Let's say that I'm installing application "foo" (I just love > that name), and > it needs lib "bar" which is currently not installed. > > I Boldly Assert(tm) that the "foo" installer should: > > 1. Consult RPM or whatever package manager is installed, and > tell it "I'm > looking for libbar.so version 1.2.3 . Please install it if you can". > > 1a. RPM then checks its database of things that came with the > distro, and > says, "yep I have it, and I just installed it for you" > (during which time > it'll have prompted the user to insert CD 3, etc.). > 1b. RPM checks it's database and says "I don't know about libbar.so". > > 2. The application installer then installs libbar.so on it's own in > /opt/bar... > > Question: Does RPM store the CD directory some place? I don't know. > > Thoughts? Flames? > > -Nick > > > -- > Check the headers for your unsubscription address > For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com > Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com > Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq(a)suse.com > > >

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webdav in konqueror
by Jason Joines 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

Has anyone used the webdav functionality of konqueror? If so, how do you use it and where can I find documentation? Jason Joines Open Source = Open Mind ======================== P.S. I tried to post this to the suse-kde list and got a bounce: "This is the Postfix program at host Hermes.suse.de. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the message returned below. The Postfix program <suse-kde(a)suse.com>: unknown user: "suse-kde" " Then I tried to send that to the list admin and got another bounce: "This is the Postfix program at host Hermes.suse.de. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the message returned below. The Postfix program <suse-kde-help(a)suse.com>: unknown user: "suse-kde-help" " Anyone else having problems sending to this list

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resolving PERL dependency
by Craig Bell 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

Hi, I've installed the perl-ldap-0.251-71 package from suse.com, and it is reporting dependencies on perl-URI and perl-XML-parser. These two packages are not in SuSE's download Update/Patches/Bugfixes page (at least for 8.1, my version). I've tried looking for them at perl.com and perl.org, but did not find anything. Anyone know where to get these? Thanks! Craig Bell

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RE: [SLE] SCSI card sought
by Jonathan Shilling 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

I found it at a local computer store in Texas. I would assume that you should be able to find it at a computer store near you. I-Will also produces mother boards. Jonathan > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Tuchler [mailto:dtuchler@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:17 PM > To: Jonathan Shilling > Subject: RE: [SLE] SCSI card sought > > > On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 13:04, Jonathan Shilling wrote: > > Check out I-Will ScSI cards. I have one and it works > pretty well under > > Linux, as well as having an external port. > > Thank you! I never heard of the card; where did you find it? > > > -- > Dennis Tuchler <dtuchler(a)earthlink.net> > >

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RE: [SLE] Microsoft Vs. Linux Desktop Battle Heats Up
by Jonathan Shilling 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

If the package would include the necessary libraries to install and run, rather than being dependentant on what the distro may already come with, should resolve this issue. For the most part just about every package I have come across I could compile and execute on Mandrake, SuSE, Red Hat, Debian, and *BSD. There is only the matter of porting the libraries. Jonathan > -----Original Message----- > From: wayne king [mailto:king.812@osu.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:55 PM > To: bmarsh(a)bmarsh.com > Cc: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: [SLE] Microsoft Vs. Linux Desktop Battle Heats Up > > > I would just add that one thing that worries me is the divergence > between the various linux distros. I'll just put in my > personal example, > I'm a professor who uses linux almost exclusively for research. One > thing that I have noticed though is that while I can > certainly get linux > distros of all the scientific software I need (Matlab, S-Plus), they > don't run on all the linux distros. There are big differences in java > implementations for example, it may be something as simple as the > libncurses being different on one distro as opposed to > another. I think > this is a potential problem because as a vendor I can't > possibly write > software to run on all the different linux distros, with windows it's > easy, there's just one. Especially when the market is not as large. > Anything that makes it more difficult to package a linux > distro of some > professional software, the less likely they will support > especially when > there isn't a great financial incentive. I'm not talking about issues > like well you need at least such and such kernel or at least version > whatever of glibc, I think it's reasonable to require a > certain kernel > number or later, or a certain glibc version or later as windows does. > But the differences and divergences are bigger than that and > I see it as > a problem particularly for people like me, who like linux and > would like > to continue using it, but aren't as sophisticated as probably most of > the people reading this list. wayne > > Bruce Marshall wrote: > > >On Tuesday 10 June 2003 15:13, Curtis Rey wrote: > > > ><snip of good thoughts> > > > > > > > >>Much of what Linux has gained in the OS is on the side of > getting things to > >>just work. And now it's time to put all the pieces > together. Getting the > >>stuff to just work, to just install, to just upgrade, to > not need Joe/Jane > >>user to have to go CLI because it scares them to death. > >> > >>I believe we're see a very important time in OSS and Linux. > It's a make or > >>break time. I know that those, such as the devs at SuSE, > are up to the > >>task. It's more a matter of knowing, resources and > timing. These guys > >>are most likely busting their humps putting out new > products. Considering > >>they just slammed out 8.2 and shortly after have pumped out > this next > >>Corporate version. I just hope that they have time to > catch their breath > >>and don't get over extended. This is my fear. That Linux > will strain it > >>resources and find it difficult to maintain the push. M$ > has billions and > >>a large pool of devs to throw at something. Even with this their > >>complacency is showing. Now is the time for Linux and OSS > to really step up > >>to the plate and take a swing. > >> > >> > > > >I think the big push on linux will arrive when hardware mgfs > start realizing > >that they had better support Linux or lose a lot of > business... and then > >they start writing drivers for their products. (and > hopefully open source > >them so that they can be integrated into a distro... they > almost have to to > >make it workable). And then software vendors start porting > their products to > >Linux... some are already. > > > >And then there won't be any stopping of Linux...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Check the headers for your unsubscription address > For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com > Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com > Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq(a)suse.com > > >

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Polish Linux companies have given notice to SCO Group (OT)
by Curtis Rey 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

Two Polish Linux based companies: CYBER Service and IT ZONE have given notice to SCO Group to desist from unfair competitive practices after an interview with Greg Boguchwalski from SCO Group was published in the Polish edition of Computerworld magazine. CEOs of both companies, Cezar Cichocki and Sergiusz Pawlowicz have warned the SCO Group that it will be sued in case of further unfair competitive practices. (Thanks to Cezar Cichocki) http://lwn.net/Articles/35558/ http://7thguard.net/news.php?id=3148&secret=preview Cheers, Curtis

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RE: [SLE] SCSI card sought
by Jonathan Shilling 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

Check out I-Will ScSI cards. I have one and it works pretty well under Linux, as well as having an external port. Jonathan > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Tuchler [mailto:dtuchler@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:31 PM > To: zentara > Cc: S.u.S.E. mailing list > Subject: Re: [SLE] SCSI card sought > > > On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 12:07, zentara wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:56:07 -0500 > > Dennis Tuchler <dtuchler(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > >On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 06:41, zentara wrote: > > > > > Tekram's website supports linux. > > Low Price? Well just look at it. It's made in China, (good > quality,low price). > > It's just a monolithic IC with a single connector. > > > > Notice it dosn't have an external connector for a scanner or other > > external device, and it only has 1 internal connector. It's not > > the fastest either, but it will work good enough for most purposes. > > > > Unfortunately, I need the card for external use (a scanner). Thanks. > > > -- > Dennis Tuchler <dtuchler(a)earthlink.net> > > > -- > Check the headers for your unsubscription address > For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com > Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com > Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq(a)suse.com > > >

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open office
by illustre 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

just refuse to open now all it does is begin to open and dies, console gives no message when tryingto start from there

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SCSI card sought
by Dennis Tuchler 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

I need an inexpensive scsi controller card for a new Dell desktop, compatible with Linux. Any recommendations? thanks -- Dennis Tuchler <dtuchler(a)earthlink.net>

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Strange Apache error
by Olle Viksten 10 Jun '03

10 Jun '03

As of June 9 my apache has started to behave strange. I first noticed it when I was trying to access it locally. Apache was dead. tried to restart it and then checked status - running. I tried to connect once again and failed. Checked status again - dead. I can restart apache but as soon as anyone tries to access it it dies. The only error I found in the errorlog, besides astale pid, was: [warn] Apache does not support line-end comments. Consider using quotes around argument: "# crossover" I've tried to find this offending argument in various configuratin files, in /etc/httpd /etc/sysconfig... AFAIK I've made no changes to any configs before June 9 Does anyone have any idea what is going on. -- War does not determine who is right, war determine who is left. Registered Linux User 61169 http://counter.li.org Books just wanna be FREE! See what I mean at: http://bookcrossing.com/friend/Olle

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