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<OT> Slashdot | The Truth About File-Sharing (fwd)
by Alan Bryant 03 Jan '01

03 Jan '01

-- Alan Bryant abryant(a)si3.net Si3.net, Inc.: http://Si3.net/ Linux User #185929 StepxStep: http://linux-root.com/linux.nf/ ----------------------------------- 12:15am up 13 days, 15:11, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.04 ----------------------------------- Two rules to success in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. --Sassan Tat ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:40:27 +0000 (/etc/localtime) From: Steven Zanvil Sawolkin <lymond(a)paule.ncpa.olemiss.edu> To: falstaff(a)sympatico.ca, cbell73(a)calvin.edu, abryant(a)si3.net, roark(a)watervalley.net, gadgetdon(a)mac.com Subject: Slashdot | The Truth About File-Sharing The Truth About File-Sharing Music Posted by JonKatz on Tuesday January 02, @11:45AM from the -not-thieves-but-consumers- dept. A series of new studies of Napster users suggests everything you've been reading about music file-sharing systems is baloney. You're not thieves and pirates, it turns out, but marketing pioneers and music lovers quite willing to pay for music. These new stats suggest that file-sharing could have enormous implications for the selling of content, culture and information online, none grasped by dunder-headed corporations like the record labels. They are also a reminder not always to believe what you read. (Read more). According to the January issue of American Demographics, a magazine which hardly supports radical copyright-infringers, music sites like Napster have created "powerful new opportunities for music marketeers." Despite the best efforts of the greedy record companies and a few recording stars -- Metallica and Dr. Dre come readily to mind -- to alienate a new generation of music lovers, recent figures prove that file-sharing services actually generate sales and put more money in artists' pockets. This has enormous implications for those making movies, publishing books, or creating any kind of saleable entertainment. It suggests that the Net may work best as a three-step process: first connecting customers with culture, then generating interest in cultural and informational offerings, then keeping track of their tastes through sophisticated new digital marketing research. Theoretically, file-sharing approaches could go beyond shopping to stimulate interest in education, business, even politics, if the music experience is any indicator. And it sure ought to be. The relationship between new decentralized software programs -- Napster, Freenet, Gnutella, P2P -- and such issues as copyright infringement, artists rights and conventional retailing is complicated. Legal, political, educational and other institutions haven't begun to sort through them. But clearly the music industry's panicky and greedy overreaction will prove one of the most dunder-headed, short-sighted responses in recent business history. The industry couldn't have been more off-base, dishonest or greedy. Nearly 75 percent of college students have downloaded music from the Net, 58 percent of them using Napster, according to a recent study by Greenfield Online, a Connecticut research firm, and YouthStream Media Networks. Nearly two-thirds of the 1,135 college students surveyed say they download music as a way to sample music before buying it. The proliferation of online music is introducing consumes to artists they don't know, in almost precisely the same way department stores offer samples of food, perfume and other retail items. A survey by Yankelovich Partners for the Digital Media Association found that about half the music fans in the U.S. turn to look for artists they can't or don't hear in other venues, like radio. Nearly two-thirds of those who downloaded music from the Web say that their search ended in a music purchase. Music labels should have been donating money to Napster users, not threatening to sue them and chase the site off of college campuses. And the much-libeled Napster users are dedicated music buyers, quick to reach for their wallets. Jupiter Research says it found that 45 per cent of online music fans are more likely to have increased their music purchases than online fans who don't use Napster. The Jupiter study of Napster users found that 71 percent of users say they're willing to pay to download an entire album. Interestingly, reports American Demographics, the Jupiter Study of Napster users found that 71 percent of those who use the site said they were willing to pay to download an entire album. But in a Greenfield Online survey of 5,200 online music shoppers, nearly 70 per cent say that they have not paid -- and will not pay -- for digital music downloads. This suggests that subscription-based services may be more likely and successful than a per-song fee system. This potentially revolutionary model for marketing culture is about to be dismantled by the new partnership between Napster and Bertelsmann, which is giving the file-sharing site more than $50 million to develop software that will charge users for music. Bertelsmann says it will keep a part of Napster "free," but watch for yourself to see how quickly it shrinks. These figures, remarkably, demonstrate that almost every assumption about the free music movement, reported in most media outlets and used as justification for a wave of new legislation and legal action like the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, is dead wrong: * Most music downloaders aren't thieves or pirates but music lovers willing to pay for music. * Artists have made more money from this new generation of music lovers than they would have without them. * The true significance of file-sharing wasn't an end to intellectual property, but an exciting new way to develop markets. * Record companies and other corporations should be supporting file-sharing sites ratherthan hiring lobbyists and lawyers to intimidate, sue and enrage new and eager customers. College students have nearly universal access to broadband, and are tomorrow's mainstream consumers. The more information and culture they have access to, the likelier it is that they'll sample new venues, products and information. * Evidently, file-sharing isn't a dangerous menace but an effective new method of disseminating -- and selling -- content, and culture. Aside from these new findings, the Napster experience also suggests that when it comes to dealing with the Net, businesses often have no idea what's good for them. And oh, yeah. Don't believe what you read about yourself.

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SuSE its time to switch to a better IMAP server!
by Avi Schwartz 03 Jan '01

03 Jan '01

Well SuSE, when are we going to get a better IMAP server in SuSE Linux professional? The server that SuSE delivers does not seem to support persistent message UIDs which means that e-mail clients like Mulberry cannot synchronize between the server and local storage. The way the SuSE packages are built make it very difficult to build and install the Cyrus imapd server since SuSE uses an older version of libdb then the one that is needed by Cyrus and worse yet, it seems that this version is part of the libc package which makes it hard to replace. Avi -- Avi Schwartz Get a Life avi(a)CFFtechnologies.com Get Linux!

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Suse 7.0 Install problem
by Matteo Tellini 03 Jan '01

03 Jan '01

I have a problem with Suse 7.0.. the problem is that Suse fails to recognize myusb stuff.. I have a Logitech Wheel Optical Usb mouse and a Epson 580 usb printer.. i'd like to make at least the mouse work... Do u know how to solve this problem? Do i have to download a different kernel or there is something i can do with this kernel (2.2.16)?

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Netscape "Bus error"
by richard＠featplus.co.uk 03 Jan '01

03 Jan '01

From: Richard Smith <richard(a)featplus.co.uk> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:03:00 +0000 Message-Id: <00122711164800.02171@abraham> Subject: Netscape "Bus error" Hi I have Netscape 4.76 installed on SuSe 6.4. I have been using Netscape happily from root and from a normal user account. Now, if I create another user and try to start Netscape from the new account, I get the "Bus error" message - and nothing else. Anyone any clue as to what to look for? Richard Smith

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SuSE7.0 and VMWARE/Win4Lin
by deem＠wdm.com 03 Jan '01

03 Jan '01

From: "W.D.McKinney" <deem(a)wdm.com> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:12:34 -0900 Message-ID: <NEBBKNMAELGHIHMNKLMBCECMCAAA.deem(a)wdm.com> Subject: SuSE7.0 and VMWARE/Win4Lin Greetings & Happy New Year, I need MS 98 for some business issues, and I wondering what the best app is now for us folks running SuSE 7.0 ? I read that at http://www.linuxworld.com/lw-2000-12/lw-12-penguin_2.html and wonder if any SuSE 7.0 users have gotten Win4Lin to run under SuSE 7.0 ??? How does it really compare as the Win4Lin support doesn't even list 7.0 ? I have enough resources on this box: Asus A7V w/AMD TBIRD 900Mhz and 512megs RAM ATI XPERT 2000 w/32megs RAM etc. Appreciate the feedback :) /Dee

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Problem with ImageMagick & Suse 7
by Gordon F. Cichon 02 Jan '01

02 Jan '01

ImageMagick does not work on Suse 7.0 What is wrong with it? # perl -MImage::Magick Can't load '/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i586-linux/auto/Image/Magick/Magick.so' for module Image::Magick: /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i586-linux/auto/Image/Magick/Magick.so: undefined symbol: GetImagePixels at /usr/lib/perl5/5.00503/i586-linux/DynaLoader.pm line 169. at - line 0 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted.

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Re: [SLE] ftp through router problem...
by Spunk S. Spunk III 02 Jan '01

02 Jan '01

I did open ports 20 and 21 but am still getting the same thing... it's weird. I'm at a loss... Spunk > > FTP uses ports 20 and 21. Open both of them... one is for inbound and the > other for outbound traffic... > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> I have my router set to pass ftp via port 21 to my SuSE machine but it's >> not >> fully connecting when I'm outside my network. I can connect without a >> problem inside my network but from the outside, it starts to connect but >> never lists the contents of my machine. I checked the logs and it does >> show >> that I did connect. I guess it could be my connection at work but I wanted >> to see if anyone else is seeing this... >> >> TIA, >> Spunk

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Cannot access my MS Windows HD on the same computer as Linux
by jayhen＠wanadoo.nl 02 Jan '01

02 Jan '01

Message-ID: <3A487067.D7779193(a)wanadoo.nl> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:18:15 +0100 From: jayhen <jayhen(a)wanadoo.nl> Subject: Cannot access my MS Windows HD on the same computer as Linux I use to be able to access my windows HD with Kcommander2 but for some strange reason it doesn't work anymore. If it by chance does work, the information is garbled and the windows fat gets messed up. If I access a windows partition on another computer it works perfectly but not on my own compter. What can I do to get everything to work again. After umounting and mounting /dev/hda5 I can read the HD but garbled. Here are the Error Messages from the Xconsole. Thanks, Jay <p>Dec 26 11:11:39 linux kernel: fat_clusters_flush: Did not find valid FSINFO signature. Found 0x0. offset=0x3e0 Dec 26 11:11:49 linux kernel: fat_read_super: Did not find valid FSINFO signature. Found 0x400893c8 Dec 26 11:11:49 linux kernel: Directory 1: bad FAT Dec 26 11:11:49 linux kernel: Filesystem panic (dev 03:05). Dec 26 11:11:49 linux kernel: FAT error Dec 26 11:11:49 linux kernel: File system has been set read-only Dec 26 11:11:49 linux kernel: Filesystem panic (dev 03:05). Dec 26 11:11:49 linux kernel: FAT error Dec 26 11:11:49 linux kernel: Directory 437: bad FAT Dec 26 11:11:49 linux kernel: Filesystem panic (dev 03:05). Dec 26 11:11:49 linux kernel: FAT error Dec 26 11:11:49 linux kernel: Directory 438: bad FAT Dec 26 11:11:50 linux kernel: Filesystem panic (dev 03:05). Dec 26 11:11:50 linux kernel: FAT error Dec 26 11:11:50 linux kernel: Directory 439: bad FAT Dec 26 11:11:50 linux kernel: FAT error Dec 26 11:11:50 linux kernel: Directory 508: bad FAT Dec 26 11:11:50 linux kernel: Filesystem panic (dev 03:05). Dec 26 11:11:50 linux kernel: FAT error Dec 26 11:11:50 linux kernel: Directory 509: bad FAT Dec 26 11:11:50 linux kernel: Filesystem panic (dev 03:05). Dec 26 11:11:50 linux kernel: FAT error Dec 26 11:11:50 linux kernel: Directory 513: bad FAT Dec 26 11:11:50 linux kernel: Filesystem panic (dev 03:05). Dec 26 11:11:50 linux kernel: FAT error Dec 26 11:11:50 linux kernel: Directory 514: bad FAT

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Re: [SLE] triple boot
by adind＠link.net.id 02 Jan '01

02 Jan '01

From: Adinda Praditya <adind(a)link.net.id> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 05:29:53 +0700 Message-Id: <00122905320100.00692@linux> Subject: Re: [SLE] triple boot On Tue, 26 Dec 2000, Cliff Sarginson wrote: > On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 10:28:23PM +0700, Adinda Praditya wrote: > > Hi,... > > > > I'd like to make triple boot with lilo. I added my /etc/lilo.conf with > > --- > > other2 = /dev/hda12 > ^^^^^^^^ > > No no, all "other" os'es are "other" > "other" just means non-linux, it not a label. > change it to "other" and lilo won;t winge... > > Cliff -- So, lilo can't be set for triple boot? I meant 1 linux, and others are non-unix. Abdulmalik bin Hilman bin Mahyuddin ----------------------------------- Verily! Allah grasps the heavens and the earth lest they should move away from their places, and if they were to move away from their places, there is noe one that could grasp them after Him. Truly, He is Ever Most Forbearing, Oft-Forgiving. (Al-Fathir : 41) a Black Hole?

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Re: [SLE] sort of none SuSE problem
by Chris Large 02 Jan '01

02 Jan '01

> If you only need Windows for three programs, then maybe you'd be better off considering > VmWare, or it's free contender ? I tried VmWare once. The screen was so small that it made it usless. I should try the other one i guess. > > -tosi > > On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 09:20:09AM -0800, Chris Large wrote: > > Sort of thinking about making a dual boot system. I use scsi drives. > > I was woundering if M$ could be installed on the second drive or so. My > > first drive has SuSE 7 on it and i don't want to buy another drive as for > > that chain. > > > > I just need windows for 3 programs at this time. This is just a thought. > > > > > > > > *--------------------------------* > > | Chris Large clarge(a)macn.bc.ca | > > | http://gone for now | > > *--------------------------------* > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > > For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com > > Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq > > -- > ______ > /---------------------------------------\ \ > | ��r Sigur�sson | Tor Sigurdsson | t | > | Netma�ur | Network Specialist | o | > |-----------------------------------------| s | > | tosi(a)rhi.hi.is | i | > \---------------------------------------/_____/ > *--------------------------------* | Chris Large clarge(a)macn.bc.ca | | http://gone for now | *--------------------------------*

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