May 2000 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[SLE] DSL weirdness.
by bbq＠zaz.com.br 26 May '00

26 May '00

Hello All, I've been trying to get this to work all night, with very nasty results. Today I got DSL installed at home, and my previous setup was my Linux box (SuSE 6.3) serving as a dial-up gateway for the LAN (this NT machine where I'm writting this email at, and a BeOS box). I thought, no sweat. I have two NICs installed as: eth0 ip: 200.213.112.4 net: 255.255.255.0 gw: 200.213.112.1 and eth1 ip: 192.168.194.1 net: 255.255.255.0 What do you know? When the RJ-45 jack is connected to eth0, I can ping the gateway, and my boxen can ping eth0. I can ping my hosts, and I can ping the gateway. When I try pinging anything else (like the ISP's DNS) I get a "Network is unreachable"!?! At first, I thought my DSL provider might be broken, but as it turns out, I changed the NT boxes config and plugged the cat-5 cable into it. Voila! Everything works perfectly. I cannot beleive that there would be some sort of incompatibility between the DSL and my Linux box. The only setup difference that I can perceive (TCP/IP wise) is that one of the boxes has 1 NIC and the other has 2. Maybe there's something I need to change from my eth1->ppp0 gateway to a eth1->eth0 setup?? I've been using yast for everything. Has anyone had trouble with a similar setup? Cheers, John -- We will have solar energy as soon as the utility companies solve one technical problem -- how to run a sunbeam through a meter. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] Fonts & teTeX & SuSE
by sneep＠nat.vu.nl 26 May '00

26 May '00

Hi, I noticed that there are several fonts installed on the standard SuSE Linux 6.3 (and presumably also on SuSE6.4) One of those fonts is b&h Lucida, which happens to be our default font. I'd like to use this font from within latex. Does anyone know which of the lucida packages I should use (lucidabr, lucidbry, ...) Or should I use something completely different. Or is the problem not in latex, but in xdvi and dvips? As you see some questions, hopefully followed by some answers ;-) Greetings, Maarten Sneep >>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- Never stop until your good becomes better, and your better becomes the best. >>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- Maarten Sneep Atomic- and Laser Physics group vrije Universiteit, amsterdam The Netherlands -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] program priorities.
by ag1＠cec.wustl.edu 26 May '00

26 May '00

Issue: How does one change the priorities for a program for memory/cpu resource allocation? Example: Sometimes when swap is being committed to disk or a resource intensive process takes place in the background, my entire gui gets sluggish. The mouse does not move/staggers around etc. This should not happen! The mouse should get the first priority for 3 reasons (a)It does not take much in resources (b)What if I am trying to move my mouse to kill the offending process? To click on a cancel button? If my mouse is frozen when the process is executing, the whole purpose of a cancel button is defeated! (c) What if I am playing xboing? Background processes would destroy the smooth paddle movement!!! In BeOS, multimedia bandwith is far greater the ui bandwidth; you can play six different mp3 at the same time and your mouse will slow down to a crawl but all six mp3s will play beautifully. I am trying to achieve the opposite of this!! This seems like it should be intuitive and default on linux. I am sure it is not that my computer is slow; it's an 850 athlon with 256Mb RAM and runs like a champ! any help will be appreciated. regards, Adi Gadwale. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] BIOS drive 0x82 may not be accessible
by milan＠soso.elas.sk 26 May '00

26 May '00

This appears with instalation of lilo What does it mean and how to remove this? -- Milan Hromada tel: +421 (0)862 5151 335 ------------------------- -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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RE: [SLE] BIOS drive 0x82 may not be accessible
by kevin.jackson＠jhallpr.demon.co.uk 26 May '00

26 May '00

I get this error - I ignore it and everything is hunky dory. :) Don't take that as general advice. It happens on my system because I've installed Linux on my Secondary Master hard drive (0x82 - as Mr Muzh says) But I'm installing LILO on my Primary Master. And as I know it will boot from device 0x80 (Primary Master, HDA) then I ignore the message. Kev -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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RE: [SLE] Realtime activity monitoring
by thomas＠noproblem.net 26 May '00

26 May '00

Hi! Many thanks. I would like to monitor: who is connecting to the email servers and when who is connecting to the various virtual web servers and when who is FTPing and when who is Telneting and when more generally, who is connected or has been connected, what are they doing on the box, where are theu connecting from, the lot! :-)) Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Jan Beers [mailto:jebeers@multiweb.nl] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 2:35 PM To: thomas(a)noproblem.net Cc: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] Realtime activity monitoring > > Is there a readily available tool that would allow me to remotely monitor IN > REALTIME: > What would you like to monitor? On my internal network I use spong (server and networkmodule), to check ping, dns, smtp and http status of several servers, also some with external IP's. The spong-client can be run on the local machine, reporting to the server the cpu-load, disk capacity, running programs, and can check your logfiles for strange entries. I haven't looked into security issues regarding sending this info over the net, though. You might want to take a look at it, it's at http://spong.sourceforge.net/ (and I use the stable 2.6f version). Greets, Jan -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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Re: [SLE] GLIB version
by raghav＠easi.soft.net 26 May '00

26 May '00

Hi Derek, Thanks for the quick response. In fact, i wanted this information since my Netscape 4.7 comes out when i try to play sound files given in the Java tutorial. I downloaded the plugins for Netscape and extracted it into my .netscape directory. I downloaded the nsfix.rpm also but to no avail!! Raghav Derek Fountain wrote: > The libc file itself is an executable which will tell you > that: > > $ /lib/libc.so.6 > GNU C Library stable release version 2.1.1, by Roland > McGrath et al. > Copyright (C) 1992, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99 Free Software > Foundation, Inc. > This is free software; see the source for copying > conditions. > There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or > FITNESS FOR A > PARTICULAR PURPOSE. > Compiled by GNU CC version egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux > (egcs-1.1.2 release). > Compiled on a Linux 2.2.10 system on 1999-08-06. > Available extensions: > GNU libio by Per Bothner > crypt add-on version 2.1 by Michael Glad and others > linuxthreads-0.8 by Xavier Leroy > NoVersion patch for broken glibc 2.0 binaries > BIND-4.9.7-REL > NIS(YP)/NIS+ NSS modules 0.19 by Thorsten Kukuk > NSS V1 modules 2.0.2 > Report bugs using the `glibcbug' script to <bugs(a)gnu.org>. > > > Is there any command for getting to know the current glib > > version for my Linux 6.3 version?? -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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Re: [SLE] Couple of questionas....
by Chris.Smith＠raytheon.co.uk 26 May '00

26 May '00

Hi, ** 1) Ok I compile my custom kernel make dep, clean, modules, modules_install...blah blah ** blah and all this bull**** ** ok then when I boot it boots normaly until to the point where it says...checking modules ** dependencies...well and there is stops. What happens is the hard disk stops and I have ** to press Ctrl-C to skip the dependency check and move to another task. When I do that it ** continues normaly but the x-server does not load. I can only login on text mode. ** What gives? Is it some module dependency probelmo? When I do depmod -a -e it say quite a ** lot of modules have some kinda of inconsistency....why?? what can I do? Why the hell do you need to compile the kernel? Check /etc/modules.conf and load the ones you need. Between, firewall, clients and servers, all the systems I've built have a stock kernel as provided with the req'd modules. Personally, RTFM mate. ** 2) Questiona numero dos....I have a 3d card with the NVidia TNT2 chip on it. Could I use ** this to play GLQuake? if not could I use it as a doorstop? >From the x3d collection install the rivaglx package. Then read the documents in /usr/doc/packages/riva-something-or-other (I forget the dir). You load the module into the X server, then it works. HtH ----------------------------------------------------------- Chris Smith IS Dept - Raytheon Systems Limited [chris.smith(a)raytheon.co.uk] +44 1279 407 103 ----------------------------------------------------------- Programmers are busy writing the next best idiot proof software. The universe, in the meantine, is busy making the next best idiot. The universe is winning... =========================================================== -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] linux on HP9000 E25
by mariuso＠sec.sibnet.ro 26 May '00

26 May '00

I have an HP 9000 E25 and I have no Operating System on it. I like to install a linux os on this machine. I think there is a distribution for this architecture but ... I have no knowledge about installation on such a machine. I think I must use dd , without partitioning ... or .... I dont't know. Please HELP Thanx -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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Re: [SLE] GLIB version
by fountai＠hursley.ibm.com 26 May '00

26 May '00

The libc file itself is an executable which will tell you that: $ /lib/libc.so.6 GNU C Library stable release version 2.1.1, by Roland McGrath et al. Copyright (C) 1992, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Compiled by GNU CC version egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release). Compiled on a Linux 2.2.10 system on 1999-08-06. Available extensions: GNU libio by Per Bothner crypt add-on version 2.1 by Michael Glad and others linuxthreads-0.8 by Xavier Leroy NoVersion patch for broken glibc 2.0 binaries BIND-4.9.7-REL NIS(YP)/NIS+ NSS modules 0.19 by Thorsten Kukuk NSS V1 modules 2.0.2 Report bugs using the `glibcbug' script to <bugs(a)gnu.org>. > Is there any command for getting to know the current glib > version for my Linux 6.3 version?? -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] GLIB version
by raghav＠easi.soft.net 26 May '00

26 May '00

Hi, Is there any command for getting to know the current glib version for my Linux 6.3 version?? Raghav -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] Question only - not to scare.. Virus
by kevin.jackson＠jhallpr.demon.co.uk 26 May '00

26 May '00

LINUX/UNIX FILE-INFECTING VIRUSES (1) ------------------------------------- UNIX/LOVELETTER.WORM The above was in the readme.txt from the DAT4079.zip for NA Anti Virus software, saying what new viruses the dat detects. How does this sort of virus attack Unix/Linux? Surely to do any sort of damage it has to be able to have user access. Or does it run from Windows and attack over Samba? I'm looking at NAI and there is no info on it - despite them able to find and clean it. I'm not worried - just very curious! Kevin Jackson Systems Administrator -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] Is there a driver for a Compaq PCI Nic
by Quinn.Fissler＠siemens.co.uk 26 May '00

26 May '00

A colleague has just phoned me and asked if a driver is available for a Compaq PCI NIC. Markings include: Compaq 10/100 PCI NC3121 Intel chipset (sb82558b) P/N 317600-B21. Is there a driver? I think that chances are good with an Intel chipset on it. Regards Quinn Fissler -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] Vanilla Kernel 2.4.0-Test1 + ReiserFS
by kevin.jackson＠jhallpr.demon.co.uk 26 May '00

26 May '00

I'm currently d/ling 2.4.0-Test1 and have ReiserFS installed on my current 2.2.15 setup. Any pointers on setting up Reiser with 2.4? Will the 2.3.99Pre patches work on the 2.4 source? Plus, I've just changed my web space over to Reiser and have noticed that everytime I upload files from my NT machine to the Linux box I get the message that a newer version of files exists on the Linux machine. The time is set the same on both machines. How does Reiser store its time stamp? Is there a problem. And I know Reiser is in development still AND that 2.4 is 99.9% ready - I just like trying these things!! :) Kevin Jackson Systems Administrator -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] SU....
by fmiller＠lightlink.com 26 May '00

26 May '00

Ok....so I admit it. I'm deaf and dumb in both eyes. I know it's "there," but I can't find it! Where is the option and in what file to turn on or off su to root? Thanks! Fred -- It said "Needs Windows 98 or better". So I installed Linux... -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] AD1881 3D Enhanced Codec
by novo＠uiuc.edu 26 May '00

26 May '00

Hi, I looked into suse hardware database but I don't see support for motherboard Integrated AC ' 97 Compliant 3D Audio Controller AD1881 3D Enhanced Codec Also, searching through past postings, I could find some references (mostly german... even after "online translation" was hard!), but I am still a bit clueless. Does anyone have experience with such sound "card"? I have a manufacturer driver, but it's for earlier kernel versions. Also, I would like to avoid a $30 fee to Opensound (OSS)... asking too much? Hope not! Thanks a zillion, Alvaro Novo SuSE 6.3 Kernel 2.2.13 KDE 1.1.2 -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] Hauppauge WinTV Card
by pwilke＠alaska.net 26 May '00

26 May '00

Need Help with my Hauppauge Wintv Card. I am running Suse 64. Matrox Millenium G400 32M Ram, 256M Ram, MetroX, and Video mode is 1280x1024 on 21" Display. The Hauppauge supports from 640x480 to 1280x1024 16m Colors. I know this be cause I run it on the other OS I run the least amount of time (NT4.0). It is the Hauppauge Model 400 WinTV-radio with dbx-TV stereo, FM Radio & Remote PCI. Neither the Radio or TV will work under linux. Although with xawtv I have been able to see the sync channel/. (top of picture). Any Ideas. Oh I am running either WindowMaker or KDE.. Thanks Patrick -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] Kickstart
by jont＠ii.uib.no 26 May '00

26 May '00

Is there anything similar to Red Hat's Kickstart or Sun's Jumpstart in SuSE? If not, could the wizards at SuSE please include this functionality in the next version of the distro. It would be a _very_ important feature to have for those of us who have to install Linux on a _lot_ of PCs. TIA ---J.T.U. /==================================================================\ | Jon Trygve Utne |e-mail: jont(a)ii.uib.no | | Department of Informatics | Jon.Utne(a)mi.uib.no | | University of Bergen, Norway | Jon.Utne(a)student.uib.no | | Tlf(work) +47 55 58 82 95 |"Smith & Wesson: The original| | URL: http://www.ii.uib.no/~jont | point and click interface" | \==================================================================/ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] GNOME applets not appearing
by rjwohlfar＠bigfoot.com 26 May '00

26 May '00

GNOME will no longer display applets in the panel or capplets in the Control Center. Starting an applet or capplet in a terminal gives the following errors: Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkcontainer.c: line 730 (gtk_container_remove): assertion `widget->parent == GTK_WIDGET (container)' failed. Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from `(unknown)' to `GtkWidget' Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkwidget.c: line 3493 (gtk_widget_get_style): assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed. Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkctree.c: line 5132 (gtk_ctree_node_set_foreground): assertion `GTK_IS_CTREE (ctree)' failed. I just upgraded to SuSE 6.4 from 6.1. And applied all of the pathces from the FTP site. Applets worked fine in 6.1. I thought maybe it was caused by old libraries or headers. So I uninstalled all of the GNOME, gtk, and shlibs5 packages. /opt/gnome/bin and /opt/gnome/lib were pretty much empty. I did a "find /usr/lib -name '*gtk*' -print" to look for old gtk files. Nothing suspicious turned up. Re-installed all of the GNOME and gtk packages. But applets still won't run. Has someone else seen this? Any ideas on how to fix it? Thanks! -- Robert Wohlfarth rjwohlfar(a)bigfoot.com "My theory's right. Reality needs to be fixed." -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] emu10k1 question
by alex＠physical36.chem.ufl.edu 26 May '00

26 May '00

Hi list does anybody have an idea why the emu10k1 module shipped with SuSE 6.4 only support 8 bit sound? I noticed this when I upgraded from 6.3 to 6.4. While running on 6.3 I had manually installed emu10k1 from the Soundblaster web site and was running happily with 16 bit, but after upgrading to 6.4 I decided to use the stock module supplied on the CD's which bounced me back to 8 bit. After an application has come up that required a bit better sound resolution I decided to manually install the module from the most recent beta version 0.4b and am now back to 16 bit. It is weird though that while installing it my sound device got changed from /dev/audio to /dev/dsp and /dev/sndstat does not respond anymore. Can someone point me to a good sound tutorial or manual that covers the whole nine yards? So far I had to just piece the necessary information together from here and there. Best regards, Alex. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] Creating sound device files
by abrahams＠valinet.com 26 May '00

26 May '00

I had been using the OSS sound drivers and am trying to switch over to the kernel drivers. I've reconfigured the kernel (stock 2.2.15, not SuSE) to include module support for my sound card, an Ensoniq 1371. But I don't see the messages I should be getting on bootup: Sound initialization started. . . . . Sound initialization complete. Also, cat /dev/sndstat doesn't yield anything. I've looked in the Sound Howto but it's of no help. What have I failed to do? Paul Abrahams -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] Who makes /lib/modules/xxx/modules.dep?
by abrahams＠valinet.com 26 May '00

26 May '00

Does anyone know how the file /lib/modules/2.2.x/modules.dep is created? I did a `make modules modules_install' with a stock (not SuSE) 2.2.15 kernel and found that I still had an older version of that file, according to the date. I then tried deleting it and rebooting. I got a new copy of the older version. Paul Abrahams -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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RE: [SLE] FTP
by gregory.thomas＠nbc.com 25 May '00

25 May '00

> -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky McGaugh [mailto:rmcgaugh@atipa.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 1:41 PM > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: [SLE] FTP > > > "4. The /usr Hierarchy > /usr is the second major section of the filesystem. > /usr is shareable, > read-only data. That means that /usr should be shareable > between various hosts > running FHS-compliant and should not be written to. Any > information that is > host-specific or varies with time is stored elsewhere." > > > Note that 6.4 went gold before this spec was released. > > Question is, what's all this mean? FTP trees are definatly > local. FTP is > also often written to. I personally always re-locate it to /home/ftp > because /home is always on a seperate partition for me and i install > stuff i want to live through upgrades there. maybe FTP should belong > in /home, since there's actually an FTP user, and this is the tree > used for this anonymouse users access? > > anyway, just some thoughts. I like the idea of /home/ftp. In my case I constantly backup /home, /var, and /root because they get written to the most often. I only backup /bin, /etc, /usr, /sbin before I make additions and changes. Greg Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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RE: [SLE] Is Linux Ready?
by kevin.jackson＠jhallpr.demon.co.uk 25 May '00

25 May '00

> However this does > not stop people enguaging on the "fool's errand" of trying to find a > way to treat HTML authoring as DTP. > I disagree! There is nothing fool hardy about developing a web page in very much the same way you design DTP. This is the goal of "WYSIWYG" Web development packages. By WYSIWYG (the term started in the first thread of this email) for the purpose of these emails we mean what you design is what you see on the browser. And by WYSIWYG it is obvious we mean like VB. And, yes, they push the boundaries of the browsers - but at the end of the day it is a language - and programming languages today always push the boundaries of whatever it is run on. But, of course - the crap tools produce html that even the best fall over on. But get yourself a good tool and this doesn't happen. Unless you use NS4.x that is :) Kev -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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RE: [SLE] OT.....but funny
by gregory.thomas＠nbc.com 25 May '00

25 May '00

> -----Original Message----- > From: Michael J. McGillick [mailto:mike@universe.ne.mediaone.net] > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 11:11 AM > To: Matt Wong > Cc: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: [SLE] OT.....but funny > > > Matt: > > Nothing personal to you, but that's just plain retarded to > have a web page > that won't view in Internet Explorer. Ok, so some folks use > Netscape and > others use IE. Does that mean because so many pages out > there are poorly > written and won't suppport Netscape properly, that we start > writing pages > to not support IE? Quite frankly, I want to be able to view a page > regardless of the browser I'm using, and if HTML writer isn't > smart enough > to write the page properly, too bad for them. I'll go > somewhere else and > use something else. > You guys don't get it, do you? He's not trying to convert the unconverted. He's showing Linux users what can be done, it's just eye candy so it's not like IE users are missing out on some groundshaking information. If you run Linux at home and have good bandwidth at home, check it out when you get home. AFAIK IE doesn't run on Linux, does it? If he is precluding the latest Mozilla release or other Open Source browsers from viewing his page then he's being stupid. But as far as not being able to view it with IE, BFD. I use Navigator at work because as a home Linux user it's what I use at home. Why the hell would I use different browsers at home and at work if one is available on both OSes? Greg Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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