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RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: [SuSE] Re: Still a problem with aic7xxx
by gecko＠freecar.com 19 Feb '98

19 Feb '98

On 19-Feb-98 Steven Udell wrote: >-==>aic7xxx problem again, still haven't fixed my problem<==- >... >Help! I wish I could but I'm still new at this. I *did* want to say that I'm using the aic7xxx driver, compiled directly in from the 2.0.33.suse kernal code and I'm not having a problem... Infact, my install CD was SCSI. I know that's not a big help, but it might give you added hope that the aic7xxx driver DOES work... ---------------------------------- <A HREF="http://homepages.skylink.net/~gecko/index.html"><A HREF="http://homepages.skylink.net/~gecko/index.html</A">http://homepages.skylink.net/~gecko/index.html</A</A>> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d+(-) s:+ a29 C++$ UL++>++++ P+++$ L++>++++ E? W+++$ N+(-) o? K- w+++$(--) O M-- V- PS-- PE++ Y++ PGP++ t+ 5 X R+ !tv b++++ DI+++ D++ G++>G+++ e h+ r* y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ <A HREF="http://krypton.mankato.msus.edu/~hayden/.codes/geek3.1.html"><A HREF="http://krypton.mankato.msus.edu/~hayden/.codes/geek3.1.html</A">http://krypton.mankato.msus.edu/~hayden/.codes/geek3.1.html</A</A>> ---------------------------------- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: [SuSE] Re: Still a problem with aic7xxx
by hettar＠teleport.com 19 Feb '98

19 Feb '98

Hello again world, [SuSE] -==>aic7xxx problem again, still haven't fixed my problem<==- >What I really need you to do is to find out what is loading the aic7xxx >module in your kernel and stop it from doing so. Then, once you get the >system booted without the module, you should be able to try to manually >insmod the module and get me the logging information. The easiest way is to >do something like: >tail -f /proc/kmsg > /tmp/kernel.output _____________________ I have removed aic7xxx from loading from the kernel. This lets me do a 'normal' boot from lilo without a hitch. (this was a problem ;) It also shows that : <4>scsi : 0 hosts. <4> scsi : detected total. <4> partition check: Now I have tried several things in the last few days: 1) insmod the module aic7xxx a) this halted tty1 and there was no recovery from it. b) So I don't know how to get you the info you requested. 2) tail -f /proc/kmsg > /tmp/kernel.output a) this seamed not to work and just stagnated until ctrl x was pressed. 3) I have tried an append="aic7xxx =no_reset" in LILO with aic7xxx5.0.5 in kernel a) this did the exact same thing Time-out; trying harder loop. 4) When recompiling the kernel to change around some things, I set the scsi support to module and load with direct kernel support (two times) with under Low-level scsi support under the aic7xxx with a time-out of 10 instead of the normal '5' a) is this a good place to check this? i could try up to a 20 in that area.should I try it? I got a response from the SuSE guys, and they said They have indeed put the aic7xxx patches on a kernel of theirs called 2.0.33-suse . The lx-suse kernel So I did go get that tar ball and I did compile the source. It did indeed have the patched aic7xxx 5.0.5. But this also had the same (exact) problems I have had before. Except for not having a dead stop while searching for connected devices, it LOOPS now. Guys {SuSE} I am still having problems with this damn SCSI card, I have already said that the SuSE 5.1 Distro boot disk WILL load the SCSI fine and I am able to use everything fine. But under a normal LILO boot it will not, even with the no_reset append line or the kernel having direct load of aic7xxx or loading aic7xxx as a module, all temination is fine from what I can see. If the distros boot disk can load it, why cant the normal system. Help! Steven Udelhoffen sudell(a)teleport.com hettar(a)teleport.com -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Loading Kernel Modules
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 19 Feb '98

19 Feb '98

Subject: Loading Kernel Modules Date: Thu, Feb 19, 1998 at 11:02:17AM -0500 In reply to:Wayne Topa Quoting Wayne Topa(wtopa(a)ix.netcom.com): > May I ask a general question. > > In which /sbin/init.d file do you load your kernel modules? > I am trying to load the ncr53c8xx module and have not yet found the > correct file to do it in. I have tried it in boot.local, boot.setup, > and boot without success. insmod ncr53c810 works fine from the command > line. Yes I have included the correct data in /etc/conf.modules. > > TIA > wayne Yes, I found the answer 5 minutes after I asked! Mistake 1: in boot or boot.setup or boot.local the path has not been set yet so use /sbin/insmod not just insmod! duh.... Mistake 2: If you put something into one of the init.d files, make sure that that file is called in the run level you are using. Very dumb mistake! boot.local is NOT called in any of the run levels! dah2........ Sorry to bother the list. > > -- > "As part of the conversion, computer specialists rewrote 1,500 > programs; a process that traditionally requires some debugging. > -- USA Today, referring to the IRS switchover to a new computer system. > _______________________________________________________ > Wayne T. Topa <wtopa(a)ix.netcom.com> -- Basic, n.: A programming language. Related to certain social diseases in that those who have it will not admit it in polite company. _______________________________________________________ Wayne T. Topa <wtopa(a)ix.netcom.com> -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Loading Kernel Modules
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 19 Feb '98

19 Feb '98

May I ask a general question. In which /sbin/init.d file do you load your kernel modules? I am trying to load the ncr53c8xx module and have not yet found the correct file to do it in. I have tried it in boot.local, boot.setup, and boot without success. insmod ncr53c810 works fine from the command line. Yes I have included the correct data in /etc/conf.modules. TIA wayne -- "As part of the conversion, computer specialists rewrote 1,500 programs; a process that traditionally requires some debugging. -- USA Today, referring to the IRS switchover to a new computer system. _______________________________________________________ Wayne T. Topa <wtopa(a)ix.netcom.com> -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Install: After The First CD
by bennie＠xs4all.nl 19 Feb '98

19 Feb '98

If you want an easier installation, I suggest Red Hat 5.0. It allows for "kickstart" installation, making the installation of similar configurations (ideal for networks) faster and more efficient. B@N On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:57:11 -0500 Tom Schaefer <netd(a)fastrans.net> wrote: > > We're de-Microsofting a few machines here ... and I'm getting much more > familiar with the install process. > > Now I know I'm being a big pain in the ass here, but I went through the > entire install and stopped to bug you along the way. > > One of the things you guys need to be aware of is that there are some > 200 million Microsloth PCs out there, vs 8 - 20million Linux/Unix > systems. The more you can streamline the install process and refer to > things the way people are used to in Microsloth-land, the more > acdeptable your distribution will be. I would suggest NOT defaulting to > FVWM2, rather FVWM95. I know many Unix power users prefer the FVWM > window manager, but you should have a screen in Yast that lets the user > pick one, but default to FVWM95, this is what "the unwashed masses" are > used to. > > Here are "a few" suggestions to streamline the install process. > > Let me preface my comments though with one thing I learned a long time > ago in Configuration Management Land - a job I did for our pitiful > US Postal Service rolling out Windoze 3.1 systems .... : > NEVER TAKE A USER TO A MENU UNLESS YOU WANT THEM TO MAKE CHOICES. > Thusly, if there really is no choice in a situation, then perform the > next step and get on with the install. > > 1. After the first CD has completed, you have the system sitting there > with a very small message in the lower left- hand corner of the screen > saying "INSTALLATION COMPLETE". This is erroneous because we all know > that we still have 2 CDs to go. Plus, you have the user sitting there > with a full menu of choices and no direction on where to go, not a good > idea. > > Make the message "INSTALLATION COMPLETE" go away and say something else, > like, "PHASE ONE COMPLETE". Now rather than expecting the user to know > what to do next, you should automatically pull the install forward to > the next step: SuSEconfig. I suppose you could put a status message and > a "Press enter to continue", but it's not really necessary. > > This is where a lot of people screw up. This is where I, back when I > was new to SuSE, would (erroneously) go to INSTALL PACKAGES because SuSE > skipped the 2nd and 3rd CDs, when I should have gone to Main Menu. > You've got it high-lited, but that's not good enough for tinkers. We see > that 2 and 3 didn't make it, so we're going to try and figure out why. > > 2. Since after the first CD, you want to run SuSEconfig, then why not > just run it? (Stop and prompt user only for errors) This can be pulled > to automatically, and also there should be no need to hit "Continue" at > the end of SuSEconfig either, unless some sort of error occurs. > > 3.Next, after Suseconfig, you've got me back to another Main Menu, and > no direction on where to go next. After having done a few SuSE > installs, I now know that I need to hit "Finish Installation" - so why > don't you just pull the user to the next step. By taking the user to a > menu with vague choices you are introducing yet-another-failure-point in > the install process. Newbie dies here too easily. > > 4.Next we are at "Select Kernel". You need a Help Screen here, because > the user needs a quick reference to how the kernels have ben gen'd. > Experienced users know what they want here, and a quick ref would be > nice. Newbies will die here also. In fact, a selection to review what > has been autoprobed would be nice at this point so I can get the right > kernel - perhaps Yast could make a "suggested kernel" based upon > autoprobing. > > 5. When you get to the choice of GMT or Local Time, perhaps you could > default to Local Time, since 99.90f PCs are set to local time in CMOS. > > Now - no other distribution has this, but would be nice is a field to > just enter "EST5CDT" or whatever time zone you want, rather than having > to wade through the list. (Just a small suggestion, we're not dying > here) > > 6. "Real Network" should be the default, not "Loopback".. > > 7.After DNS config, sendmail, you're running SuSEconfig again. Then we > have another "Installation Complete" message, further imprinting in my > mind that all the software has been loaded. Wrong. > > 8. Then we're back to the "Start Install" menu - and if we're running > this on a slow system, it takes acouple of seconds to get the "... the > new system will be started ..." message. You oughta just start it! > > > 9."Probably Yast has to configure some things" - PROBABLY? What do you > mean 'probably'? In English, this sounds like you're not really sure. > "Yast is running, stand by ..." would be a better message. > > 10. "Example User" - Perhaps you should refer to this as "Default User > Profile". This lines up with current 'market' i.e. Microsloth thinking. > > 11.Next, we have a "Confirmation" message telling me that 'during the > last session the following packages could not be installed'. > A better way to present this would be to say "We are now ready to finish > the software load. The following packages are from the 2nd and 3rd CDs, > which could not be mounted earlier in the install ...." > > 12.Then we get to a rather senseless screen about dependencies. Since > hitting "AUTO" does nothing, why not just run through the dependencies > automatically and get on with it! A small "Checking dependencies ... > please stand by ..." message would suffice. > Then, get me to the prompt for CD 2 , load software, then CD 3 ... blah > blah blah ... > > 13. At the end of CD 3, we have the "INSTALLATION COMPLETE" message > again, and no direction other than "TAB/ESC = Menu" . Newbie response: > "Well, what should I do?" Why not have it go directly to the next > screen "All installed packages are initialized..." instead of sitting at > the previous screen ... in fact, even better would be to just run > SuSEconfig and get on with it. > > (you're addressing this next item in the next release I think - but I'm > including this for reference) > > 14. After SuSEconfig, we're sitting at a login prompt. Newbie: "Now > what, should I login?" Probably not, (and because I, as an experienced > installer; now, knew to ALT-F9 to see what's up. Ah, SuSE is 'doing > something' ... (unpackingman pages, window manager configs). You need a > message after that last SuSEconfig to tell newbie what's going on again. > Newbie's not sure what the hell you guys are up to at this point, you've > had him hitting 'Continue' and un-intuitively GUESSING which menu > selections to hit - Newbie is exhausted and brain dead at this point. > Without knowing to hit ALT-F9 he's gonna screw something up again. > > Perhaps you can streamline and background the whole thing, so that it's > more transparent to the user. For example, even if they have rebooted, > you guys run that "Probably Yast has to configure some things ..." > message. PROBABLY? Aren't you sure? (Again- bad English) :-) I would > run it in background - a simple "Yast is finishing the unpacking of man > pages" (or what ever it's doing) and then let the system continue to > boot up without incindent or need for user intervention. You can do all > that shit as a background process with very little fanfare. > > Sorry for being a big pain in the ass with all this, but I believe this > is better to be specific than just whining! :) > > Again, you folks have the best distribution, and your support in this > list has been excellent. Kudos to you guys for responding > dispassionately to my whining and complaining (as well as the others!) . > > We all have high expectations for Linux, as well as SuSE, and we want to > see you succeed. > > Keep up the good work! > > -tks- > > > > > > > > > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Install: After The First CD
by netd＠fastrans.net 19 Feb '98

19 Feb '98

We're de-Microsofting a few machines here ... and I'm getting much more familiar with the install process. Now I know I'm being a big pain in the ass here, but I went through the entire install and stopped to bug you along the way. One of the things you guys need to be aware of is that there are some 200 million Microsloth PCs out there, vs 8 - 20million Linux/Unix systems. The more you can streamline the install process and refer to things the way people are used to in Microsloth-land, the more acdeptable your distribution will be. I would suggest NOT defaulting to FVWM2, rather FVWM95. I know many Unix power users prefer the FVWM window manager, but you should have a screen in Yast that lets the user pick one, but default to FVWM95, this is what "the unwashed masses" are used to. Here are "a few" suggestions to streamline the install process. Let me preface my comments though with one thing I learned a long time ago in Configuration Management Land - a job I did for our pitiful US Postal Service rolling out Windoze 3.1 systems .... : NEVER TAKE A USER TO A MENU UNLESS YOU WANT THEM TO MAKE CHOICES. Thusly, if there really is no choice in a situation, then perform the next step and get on with the install. 1. After the first CD has completed, you have the system sitting there with a very small message in the lower left- hand corner of the screen saying "INSTALLATION COMPLETE". This is erroneous because we all know that we still have 2 CDs to go. Plus, you have the user sitting there with a full menu of choices and no direction on where to go, not a good idea. Make the message "INSTALLATION COMPLETE" go away and say something else, like, "PHASE ONE COMPLETE". Now rather than expecting the user to know what to do next, you should automatically pull the install forward to the next step: SuSEconfig. I suppose you could put a status message and a "Press enter to continue", but it's not really necessary. This is where a lot of people screw up. This is where I, back when I was new to SuSE, would (erroneously) go to INSTALL PACKAGES because SuSE skipped the 2nd and 3rd CDs, when I should have gone to Main Menu. You've got it high-lited, but that's not good enough for tinkers. We see that 2 and 3 didn't make it, so we're going to try and figure out why. 2. Since after the first CD, you want to run SuSEconfig, then why not just run it? (Stop and prompt user only for errors) This can be pulled to automatically, and also there should be no need to hit "Continue" at the end of SuSEconfig either, unless some sort of error occurs. 3.Next, after Suseconfig, you've got me back to another Main Menu, and no direction on where to go next. After having done a few SuSE installs, I now know that I need to hit "Finish Installation" - so why don't you just pull the user to the next step. By taking the user to a menu with vague choices you are introducing yet-another-failure-point in the install process. Newbie dies here too easily. 4.Next we are at "Select Kernel". You need a Help Screen here, because the user needs a quick reference to how the kernels have ben gen'd. Experienced users know what they want here, and a quick ref would be nice. Newbies will die here also. In fact, a selection to review what has been autoprobed would be nice at this point so I can get the right kernel - perhaps Yast could make a "suggested kernel" based upon autoprobing. 5. When you get to the choice of GMT or Local Time, perhaps you could default to Local Time, since 99.90f PCs are set to local time in CMOS. Now - no other distribution has this, but would be nice is a field to just enter "EST5CDT" or whatever time zone you want, rather than having to wade through the list. (Just a small suggestion, we're not dying here) 6. "Real Network" should be the default, not "Loopback".. 7.After DNS config, sendmail, you're running SuSEconfig again. Then we have another "Installation Complete" message, further imprinting in my mind that all the software has been loaded. Wrong. 8. Then we're back to the "Start Install" menu - and if we're running this on a slow system, it takes acouple of seconds to get the "... the new system will be started ..." message. You oughta just start it! 9."Probably Yast has to configure some things" - PROBABLY? What do you mean 'probably'? In English, this sounds like you're not really sure. "Yast is running, stand by ..." would be a better message. 10. "Example User" - Perhaps you should refer to this as "Default User Profile". This lines up with current 'market' i.e. Microsloth thinking. 11.Next, we have a "Confirmation" message telling me that 'during the last session the following packages could not be installed'. A better way to present this would be to say "We are now ready to finish the software load. The following packages are from the 2nd and 3rd CDs, which could not be mounted earlier in the install ...." 12.Then we get to a rather senseless screen about dependencies. Since hitting "AUTO" does nothing, why not just run through the dependencies automatically and get on with it! A small "Checking dependencies ... please stand by ..." message would suffice. Then, get me to the prompt for CD 2 , load software, then CD 3 ... blah blah blah ... 13. At the end of CD 3, we have the "INSTALLATION COMPLETE" message again, and no direction other than "TAB/ESC = Menu" . Newbie response: "Well, what should I do?" Why not have it go directly to the next screen "All installed packages are initialized..." instead of sitting at the previous screen ... in fact, even better would be to just run SuSEconfig and get on with it. (you're addressing this next item in the next release I think - but I'm including this for reference) 14. After SuSEconfig, we're sitting at a login prompt. Newbie: "Now what, should I login?" Probably not, (and because I, as an experienced installer; now, knew to ALT-F9 to see what's up. Ah, SuSE is 'doing something' ... (unpackingman pages, window manager configs). You need a message after that last SuSEconfig to tell newbie what's going on again. Newbie's not sure what the hell you guys are up to at this point, you've had him hitting 'Continue' and un-intuitively GUESSING which menu selections to hit - Newbie is exhausted and brain dead at this point. Without knowing to hit ALT-F9 he's gonna screw something up again. Perhaps you can streamline and background the whole thing, so that it's more transparent to the user. For example, even if they have rebooted, you guys run that "Probably Yast has to configure some things ..." message. PROBABLY? Aren't you sure? (Again- bad English) :-) I would run it in background - a simple "Yast is finishing the unpacking of man pages" (or what ever it's doing) and then let the system continue to boot up without incindent or need for user intervention. You can do all that shit as a background process with very little fanfare. Sorry for being a big pain in the ass with all this, but I believe this is better to be specific than just whining! :) Again, you folks have the best distribution, and your support in this list has been excellent. Kudos to you guys for responding dispassionately to my whining and complaining (as well as the others!) . We all have high expectations for Linux, as well as SuSE, and we want to see you succeed. Keep up the good work! -tks- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Segmentation fault w/SuSE 5.1 & StarOffice 4.0
by deem＠wdm.com 19 Feb '98

19 Feb '98

The error is: deem@wdm:/home/deem/Office40/bin > ./soffice SalFontStruct::Load !XLoadQueryFont(-adobe-times-medium-r-normal--13-0-75-75-p-*-iso8859-1) SalFontStruct::Load !XLoadQueryFont(-adobe-times-bold-r-normal--15-0-75-75-p-*-iso8859-1) SalFontStruct::Load !XLoadQueryFont(-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--15-0-75-75-c-*-iso8859-1) Environment $XENVIRONMENT "" $DISPLAY ":0.0" $SAL_VISUAL "" $SAL_FONTPATH "/home/deem/Office40/fonts/type1:/home/deem/Office40/fonts/75dpi" $SAL_NOSEGV "" $SAL_IGNOREXERRORS "" $SAL_PROPERTIES "" $SAL_WM "" $SAL_SYNCHRONIZE "" $XPPATH "/home/deem/Office40/xp3" Client Host "wdm" Display Host ":0.0" Vendor (Release) "Xi Graphics (3100)" shift ctrl alt Shift_L (0xFFE1) Control_L (0xFFE3) Meta_L (0xFFE7) XMaxRequestSize 262140 4194300 [bytes] Screen Resolution/Size 75*75 1600*1200 26.7" Black&White 0 16777215 RGB 0xff0000 0xff00 0xff Visual 24-bit TrueColor ID=0x20 Images (Shared) 0x800001 (0) Segmentation fault Anyone else getting this after a good install ? Looks good for a few seconds and then dumps. Appreciate any help. -Dee -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] suse-linux/Discussion Group
by seamar＠singnet.com.sg 19 Feb '98

19 Feb '98

I actually enjoyed this few days of silence in the discussion group, it forces you to go to the books when you have a problem. We should never forget that we are here to work with Linux and with a specific Linux distribution which sells an excellent software cheap. Working with Linux, means to me, finding my own way to solve a problem and exhausting all available documentation , before I attempt to get somebodyelse to help me. Only when this is done, should we approach this discussion group and ask questions. Mario Jose Medjeral Singapore -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Newby questions
by mperry＠basin.com 19 Feb '98

19 Feb '98

I tend to use two graphical dialing programs instead of scripts here. They include xisp and ezppp. I compiled xisp on my SuSE 5.0 distribution and had a pretty easy time of it. ezppp works from the binary distribution. People have reported some problems with dropping the pppd; but I have some minor fixes that seem to help me at least. There are sample scripts also. --Michael Perry-- mperry(a)basin.com On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Rick Knebel wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:52:28 -0800, Bodo Bauer wrote: > > > > >Rick Knebel wrote: > >> > >> I am a little new to linux and have acouple of questions about the suse distribution. > >> Does it come with a ppp configuration tool? > > > >Not yet, 5.2 will have PPP configuration integrated in our admin toll (YaST). > Thanks for your reply. > Do most people just make there own scripts then? > I did that with my first linux distribution I tried? > > > > >> Can you use redhat rpm's with it? > > > >Yes, our distribution is also packed with rpm. The pathes may be > >slighty different?! > > Is there an ftp site for suse like for redhat where you can find the latest programs in a > rpm format that is compatible with suse? > > > >> Is it based on glibc? > > > >No. We look forward to use libc with SuSE 6.0, which will be available > >as a DEC-Alpha version too! > > That good because redhat 5.0 is a big pain in the butt with there glibc. > Every time I tried to apply one of there fixes another problem developed. > I think they rushed it > > > > >Ciao, > > BB > > > >-- > >Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 > >bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 > ><A HREF="http://www.suse.com"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com</A">http://www.suse.com</A</A>> Oakland CA, 94610 USA > >-- > >To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > >this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > > > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Attn: Newbies - Linux Information Web Site!]
by wtopa＠ix.netcom.com 19 Feb '98

19 Feb '98

Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Attn: Newbies - Linux Information Web Site!] Date: Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 07:47:47PM -0600 In reply to:jim seiberling Quoting jim seiberling(nwobone(a)hotmail.com): > > > Wayne: > I don't want to seem as rude or ungrateful, but I don't find > SuSE-Linux-e to be slow to respond to someone's problem. Jim Sorry Jim but I didn't say anything about the SuSE-Linux-e "mail-list", what I was refering to were the various NewsGroups that are loaded with answers but many of them are not correct. I have read many answers that would send newbies off the deep end. Correct answers sometimes take days to get posted. The information available on this list is not like that. My past post must have influenced your reading of my "Trying to be of help" post. ;-) The answers on this list are timely and correct, for the most part. wayne > I did, however, find that some other distribution mailing lists were a > tad slower, but nonetheless, very efficient. > I want to thank you for giving us this information about the gazette, > because there ARE times, when i want it NOW. heehee. So, knowing about > the journal will be of huge help in those times. > ttfn > > > -- Linux RULES, windoze Drools ;p~~ -- > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at <A HREF="http://www.hotmail.com"><A HREF="http://www.hotmail.com</A">http://www.hotmail.com</A</A>> > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > > . -- "You can't make a program without broken egos." _______________________________________________________ Wayne T. Topa <wtopa(a)ix.netcom.com> -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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