February 1998 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Attn: Newbies - Linux Information Web Site!
by jonathan＠aracnet.net 20 Feb '98

20 Feb '98

On 18-Feb-98 wtopa(a)ix.netcom.com wrote: > For those of you who know about the Linux Gazette, this is not for > you. For those newbies that have a thirst for more information, read > on. I found LG about issue #9, you're right, phenomenal resource. It can turn in to a mini newsgroup itself, with all of those letters, but there are many good tidbits in there. Might I add that I found out about SuSE from the Linux Gazette page? I never would have heard about it otherwise. Now I have at least two friends running it. There are columns for new users, a large chunk for graphic artists, scripts, "2 cent tips" and a whole lot of great ideas! --- jonathan(a)aracnet.net Support bacteria -- it's the only culture some people have! -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Power management
by jonathan＠aracnet.net 20 Feb '98

20 Feb '98

On 18-Feb-98 jonathan(a)aracnet.net wrote: > I rebooted to Wingdings 95 to play a game, and after a brief absence, found > out it had suspended the machine! It powered down the monitor, flashing the > power light and everything! > > Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't happen in Linux. :( I have APM > support compiled in, what else do I need to do? Apologies; I spoke a >bit< too soon. I powered up to Linux the other day and got distracted again (yes, it happens often) and when I came back, the monitor was off (standby). Ah, HA; so the score stands as follows: OS Power saving -------------- ------------- Wingdings95: Motherboard, Monitor, (Hard drive?) Linux console: Monitor Linux X: Nothing (hmm... could it be cron keeping the drive and MB busy? Yup.) What about the monitor in X? Is there something keeping it from relaxing? Thanks for letting me talk to myself internationally... :) --- jonathan(a)aracnet.net "Consequences, Schmonsequences, as long as I'm rich." -- "Ali Baba Bunny" [1957, Chuck Jones] -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Install: After The First CD
by netd＠fastrans.net 19 Feb '98

19 Feb '98

Bodo Bauer wrote: > Hi Tom, > > thanks for your great posting! > I agree with you in the most of your topics. The only one I can hold > against ist the 'kernel selection'. There is a reference page when you > press F1. DOH! Sorry about that - will look for it next time then ... > And (I think) at 5.2 we will use the information the user gave to YaST > while installing the system to choose a 'default' image. I will forward > your mail to our YaST develpment team. And we will see what we can do. A > YaST redisign is already on it's way and we hope we can make things more > easy in the future... Excellent! -tks- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Install: After The First CD
by bb＠suse.com 19 Feb '98

19 Feb '98

Hi Tom, thanks for your great posting! Tom Schaefer wrote: > > [...} > > Perhaps you can streamline and background the whole thing, so that it's > more transparent to the user. For example, even if they have rebooted, > you guys run that "Probably Yast has to configure some things ..." > message. PROBABLY? Aren't you sure? (Again- bad English) :-) I would > run it in background - a simple "Yast is finishing the unpacking of man > pages" (or what ever it's doing) and then let the system continue to > boot up without incindent or need for user intervention. You can do all > that shit as a background process with very little fanfare. > > Sorry for being a big pain in the ass with all this, but I believe this > is better to be specific than just whining! :) I agree with you in the most of your topics. The only one I can hold against ist the 'kernel selection'. There is a reference page when you press F1. And (I think) at 5.2 we will use the information the user gave to YaST while installing the system to choose a 'default' image. I will forward your mail to our YaST develpment team. And we will see what we can do. A YaST redisign is already on it's way and we hope we can make things more easy in the future... Ciao, BB -- Bodo Bauer S.u.S.E., LLC fon +1-510-835 7873 bb(a)suse.de 458 Santa Clara Avenue fax +1-510-835 7875 <A HREF="http://www.suse.com"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com</A">http://www.suse.com</A</A>> Oakland CA, 94610 USA -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Re: [SuSE] Re: Still a problem with aic7xxx
by netd＠fastrans.net 19 Feb '98

19 Feb '98

Hubert Mantel wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 gecko(a)freecar.com wrote: > > > On 19-Feb-98 Steven Udell wrote: > > >-==>aic7xxx problem again, still haven't fixed my problem<==- > > >... > > >Help! > > > > I wish I could but I'm still new at this. I *did* want to say that I'm using > > the aic7xxx driver, compiled directly in from the 2.0.33.suse kernal code and > > I'm not having a problem... Infact, my install CD was SCSI. > > I have the same situation - no probs with the aic7xxx driver. Here's the output from dmesg if it's helpful ... Configuring Adaptec (SCSI-ID 7) at IO:330, IRQ 11, DMA priority 5 aic7xxx: <Adaptec AHA-294X Ultra SCSI host adapter> at PCI 17 aic7xxx: Warning - detected auto-termination. Please verify driver detected settings and use manual termination if necessary. aic7xxx: BIOS enabled, IO Port 0x6000, IO Mem 0xe0800000, IRQ 15, Revision B aic7xxx: Single Channel, SCSI ID 7, 16/16 SCBs, QFull 16, QMask 0x1f scsi0 : Adaptec 1542 scsi1 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 4.1.1/3.2.1 scsi : 2 hosts. Vendor: TEAC Model: CD-ROM CD-56S Rev: 1.0B Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 scsi1: Scanning channel A for devices. Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST32430N Rev: 0494 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST15230N Rev: 0168 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi disk sdb at scsi1, channel 0, id 2, lun 0 scsi : detected 1 SCSI cdrom 2 SCSI disks total. SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 4194303 [2047 MB] [2.0 GB] SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 8386733 [4095 MB] [4.1 GB] -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Install: After The First CD
by netd＠fastrans.net 19 Feb '98

19 Feb '98

Benjamin van Ruyssevelt wrote: > If you want an easier installation, I suggest Red Hat 5.0. > It allows for "kickstart" installation, making the installation of > similar configurations (ideal for networks) faster and more efficient. > Thanks but no-thanks. Bob Young and gang are a great group of people, and RedHat has contributed MUCH to the Linux community at large, so I'm not knocking them, but their distribution has its own set of problems. I prefer to stay with a particular distribution and become as familiar with it as possible. My whole approach to Linux is not to learn the academics, I prefer a business approach. That means I am less concerned about kernel intracacies than I am about building servers and workstations. I want my customers and those I work for to be able to realize the power and economy that Linux brings to the table. POWER + ECONOMY - that is Linux in a nutshell! SuSE excells at both server and workstation builds, and my previous comments were intended more for the SuSE team than anyone else, and perhaps my comments, as found in the archives, will help a newbie get thru the process - as it exists today. The folks at SuSE are extremely responsive to the forum here, and we will see many of the suggestions and improvements people are making here in future releases. In this forum, we're not speaking to a wall here as is the case with Microsloth, Novell, Informix, IBM and others. As Michael J. Fox said in "Back to the Future": "Stay with me on the changes ..." Incidently, I saw Jon "maddog" Hall this past Monday night at a Linux user group meeting here in South Florida. Jon is the guy who made the DEC Alpha port happen. (See the Linux Journal's archives for more info on the DEC Alpha & Linux port) Jon has become a real "Linux Evangelist" now, and has a great presentation about overcoming the classic objections people make about using Linux. I'll post a link to his slides once he puts them on the web - which should be this week or the next. My previous comment about FVWM95 is actually a quote of what Jon made directly to RedHat. In a nutshell, his thinking is that distributors of Linux need to make Linux "appear" on the desktop as much like Microsloth's stuff, because that's the current market orientation of some 200 million Win95/NT/etc users and MIS professionals. While I respect the use of other window managers - and SuSE includes the most of them "right out of the box" - Win95/NTis what the unwashed masses are training for and using. The more comfort you bring to the environment, the more people will say "Hey, not bad - and it's just like Windows 95 - and gosh, the licensing is free ... hey - our organization could roll this out and save a ton of money!" POWER + ECONOMY! Not to mention scalability, openness etc. They're used to the Start Menu concept, brain dead installs and they want dialup connectivity that is simple to configure. Large organizations are sick of the configuration management issues, the lockups and the piss-poor support from Microsoft and the others. They are sick of being clobbered with gouge rates on licensing. The next 18 months is THE WINDOW of opportunity for Linux. -tks- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Install: After The First CD
by netd＠fastrans.net 19 Feb '98

19 Feb '98

Connie Neal wrote: > >>>>> "Tom" == Tom Schaefer <netd(a)fastrans.net> writes: > [snip] > Tom> One of the things you guys need to be aware of is that there > Tom> are some 200 million Microsloth PCs out there, vs 8 - > Tom> 20million Linux/Unix systems. The more you can streamline the > Tom> install process and refer to things the way people are used > Tom> to in Microsloth-land, the more acdeptable your distribution > Tom> will be. > [snip] > > Tom, I completely disagree, here. My big gripe with all the linux > manuals, books, etc. is that everything is presented in terms of > DOS and ms-windows. I have never used dos or ms-windows. You are a minority then Connie - no offense ... and even better, you haven't been "conatminated" :) > I haven't a clue what is being made so much clearer by these > references. > Linux should stand alone as the great operating system it is. Agree - but in terms of broader acceptance, please be aware that all the unwashed masses know is "Windows 95" thanks to the excellent marketing machine at Microsoft. Ask a non-computer person what computers run now and all they know is "Windows". > The instructions would be clearer and more concise if the > comparisons were left out, or put in a separate section (linux > for former ms users). > "When we get to The Promised Land ..." :) > The rest of your post was excellant. > Thanks for posting it. > > Connie Neal Thanks -tks- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Install: After The First CD
by cin＠io.com 19 Feb '98

19 Feb '98

>>>>> "Tom" == Tom Schaefer <netd(a)fastrans.net> writes: [snip] Tom> One of the things you guys need to be aware of is that there Tom> are some 200 million Microsloth PCs out there, vs 8 - Tom> 20million Linux/Unix systems. The more you can streamline the Tom> install process and refer to things the way people are used Tom> to in Microsloth-land, the more acdeptable your distribution Tom> will be. [snip] Tom, I completely disagree, here. My big gripe with all the linux manuals, books, etc. is that everything is presented in terms of DOS and ms-windows. I have never used dos or ms-windows. I haven't a clue what is being made so much clearer by these references. Linux should stand alone as the great operating system it is. The instructions would be clearer and more concise if the comparisons were left out, or put in a separate section (linux for former ms users). The rest of your post was excellant. Thanks for posting it. Connie Neal -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Re: [SuSE] Re: Still a problem with aic7xxx
by mantel＠suse.de 19 Feb '98

19 Feb '98

Hi, On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 gecko(a)freecar.com wrote: > On 19-Feb-98 Steven Udell wrote: > >-==>aic7xxx problem again, still haven't fixed my problem<==- > >... > >Help! > > I wish I could but I'm still new at this. I *did* want to say that I'm using > the aic7xxx driver, compiled directly in from the 2.0.33.suse kernal code and > I'm not having a problem... Infact, my install CD was SCSI. > > I know that's not a big help, but it might give you added hope that the aic7xxx > driver DOES work... Yes, we have about two dozen of machines running with this driver rock solid... Doug Ledford has just released version 5.0.7 of his driver. In some hours you can find on ftp.suse.com: /pub/suse_update/kernel/linux-2.0.33-suse.tgz full kernel source tree /pub/suse_update/kernel/suse-2.0.33.gz patch against stock 2.0.33 /pub/suse_update/suse51/disks/eide01 standard bootdisk (aic7xxx as module) /pub/suse_update/suse51/disks/scsi01 aic7xxx compiled in Maybe you could give it a try... Hubert -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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[S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: [SuSE] Re: Still a problem with aic7xxx
by mantel＠suse.de 19 Feb '98

19 Feb '98

Hi, On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Steven Udell wrote: > Hello again world, [SuSE] > > -==>aic7xxx problem again, still haven't fixed my problem<==- [...] > Guys {SuSE} I am still having problems with this damn SCSI card, > I have already said that the SuSE 5.1 Distro boot disk WILL load the > SCSI fine and I am able to use everything fine. But under a normal LILO > boot it will not, even with the no_reset append line or the kernel having > direct load of aic7xxx or loading aic7xxx as a module, all temination is fine > > from what I can see. If the distros boot disk can load it, why cant the > normal > system. I have no explanation for this behaviour. Maybe it's a timing issue. The kernel on the bootdisk is compiled for 386, you probably compiled the kernel for pentium. Maybe you could try this, but as you see, this is desperate experimenting... > Help! > Steven Udelhoffen Hubert -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e

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