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[opensuse] Meta: re: on the topic of group hijacking...
by Linda Walsh 29 Jul '14

29 Jul '14

I just saw Henne's post, as I wasn't part of this discussion, but wanted to comment on a few major sources of grief on this list. Henne Vogelsang wrote: > How about all of us try to focus on the non-personal side of things for > a while? How about No list member plays vigilante and calls other people out over list "rules". Calling people out for such, publicly, on a list is NEVER a good way to get them to comply and is likely to cause defensive or offensive reactions probably far greater than 50% (and note, provoking someone with a greater than 50% success rate would be considered rather high in my book). On this particular topic -- especially the way the problem was phrased: Consider: two people talking publicly [at a special place for techies to gather and share opinions and ask for advice]. One asks a proper question to the surrounding populace, get's an answer from a second in the crowd. first formulates a reply, and get's another answer from that same person. At this point those two have a *private conversation* in a public place where others are no longer welcome to participate. THAT, IMO, is the initial rudeness. If you want to carry on a private conversation, take it off list -- you won't be interrupted there. By having the conversation, "on list", we are inviting other input. At this point a third party steps up and, for all intents and purposes interrupts, shouting at both (and anyone in earshot) "'you're doing it wrong!" --- "Shouts?" WAS IT IN ALL CAPS LIKE THIS WHICH ONLY, by convention is considered shouting in written communication because it denotes emphasis? How do they interrupt? They having pushed you apart, they *can't*. In fact, they can't even drown us out without our permission. It's not like real life where the loudest, most aggressive voice wins. Interrupts? Most email readers these days have some way of threading. You can choose to ignore any responses coming from someone other than your "chosen" speaking partner. In the extreme cases, you can filter out someone by subject and source -- or just source. Is this extremely rude? I find this is not only quite rude but highly insulting. ---- Um...let's see... having conversation at group event where everyone hears everything you say, and you want to shut people out of your conversation and make it private. That someone doesn't buy into you "owning the space" at a group event, you consider "rude". Doesn't that sound just a little bit odd? > > So how about we leave the personal-side be for a while? ---- It is rarely, or, it rarely _starts_ personally. It starts by someone taking it upon themselves to tell the other person that their behavior is unacceptable on this list. That's almost never going to end well when talking to a group of engineering-oriented techies who most often than not are used to getting things done by going and operating outside of the box (not within someone else's rules -- especially when those rules are brought up in the middle of trying to solve some technical issue. THAT's extremely annoying. It's minorly annoying when it happens to me, but I find it even more offensive when I have to suffer through someone else calling someone else out. ***IF*** by some rational, one feels they need to play vigilante, TAKE THE CORRECTION OFF LIST. It is almost never on topic and chastening someone publicly is a sure fire way to raise negative feelings. > Maybe over time, we can concentrate on the positive personal aspects of > this list which are certainly way bigger then the negative. I would totally agree, but if this list needs such verbally violent vigilante's to enforce list rules, then maybe it's time to rethink what rules are causing problems (as measured by number of vigilante actions) and regardless of their *argued* merit, lose them, so people won't have them to argue over. I can think of one other area that causes problems -- and I won't go into it in depth as this is already too long for many. But that is ignoring other people's input -- as it pertains to the OpenSuse software the are using. For many their interface is their *comfort food*. Mess with it, and one stirs a hornet's nest. Messing up people's personal systems for no good reason other than expediency is what Dictators do -- and those who maintain the ends justify the means. That the other source of upset. anyway... too long didn't read this...(just wrote this... ;-) )... Sorry for the late reply, but I didn't want to argue against the "spirit" of what you were saying, but did want to give some concrete problem issues that aren't really personal -- but are a result of the venue where these discussions takes place and its idiosyncrasies and those who take the vigilante role in enforcement. Linda -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Plasma 5 Arrival estimate?
by John Andersen 28 Jul '14

28 Jul '14

Anyone know the arrival estimate for Plasma 5 in the OpenSuse KDE repositories? (I'm picking your brains because I don't want to join another list, and wouldn't be sure which to join anyway). I'm still in OS 12.3, and won't be in a position to update(reinstall) until 13.3 at the soonest, but I do keep up with KDE upgrades, and have KDE 4.13.3. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] 13.1 - screen brightness stuck on high - unresponsive to fn keys - how to fix?
by David C. Rankin 28 Jul '14

28 Jul '14

All, One new issue I have with 13.1 is my Toshiba laptop brightness is stuck on high (really high) and I cannot adjust it with the normal function keys. The normal method for increase/decrease is: fn + F6 - lower (8 steps) fn + F7 - raise (8 steps) What is strange is that this hardware brightness control has always worked, regardless of the OS (XP/DOS, openSuSE 11.0, 11.4, Archlinux) and regardless of the driver (radeon, radeonHD, etc..) Now it is just stuck. I can pop the 11.4 drive back in and it works fine. What could be causing this? Moreover, what could be the fix? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Web server configuration questions
by Ted Byers 28 Jul '14

28 Jul '14

I am reading from the official openSuse 13.1 reference guide, and hit at least one error. You see, I had installed Apache2 when I first installed OpenSuse 13.1; letting yast do the default configuration and start Apache. All was fine, except I had no SSL. Today, I edited the relevant conf files to enable SSL, and I generated my own CA, and created a server CRT; and put all the rquired key and certificate files in the right places. Now I want to TEST the configuration files as they are now, and reading from the official guide (but my main source of info was http://doc.opensuse.org/products/draft/SLES/SLES-admin_sd_draft/cha.apache2…), I see that I can do that using" rcapache2 configtest Alas, that fails with the message that /etc/init.d/apache2 does not exist. I looked, and it is right. There is no apache2 file in /etc/init.d. I don't know if that is a defect in the documentation or a bug in rcapache2, and I do not care. All I want is to know how I can check the new configuration before risking stopping and trying to restart apache. How do I do this? One other question. I have recently become aware of nginx, and have been reading that it performs much better that apache on limited hardware under heavy load. Can anyone confirm this? Further, will if work with the same document root and cgi-bin directories that apache uses, or does it want it's own? I would like to download the latest nginx (version 1.6 I believe), and install it, but do I have to stop apache before I do so? Ideally, I'd like to be able to switch back and forth between apache2 and nginx, so I can run tests to compare and contrast the two on the same machine. But can I do so without creating major headaches for myself? One of the things I have to check is the behaviour of each in handling optional checking of client side certificates. What I have to investigate is how to have optional checking of client side certificates, for hundreds of pages (and restricting their content if a client side certificate is not present), and making checking of client side certificates mandatory in order for the user to have access to a very small number of pages. I found where/how to make client certificates optional (for Apache2), but not how to make it mandatory for a given page. And I have yet to begin to investigate this for nginx. Any tips would be appreciated. It occurs to me to ask if anyone knows if there is an opensource application server that has the same relation to Tomcat that nginx has to Apache's httpd server (i.e. mature code that performs better on limited hardware under heavy load)? (and no, I am not interested in something imcomplete or only in alpha testing or even beta testing - and I do not have a budget for products that are not open source). Thanks Ted -- R.E.(Ted) Byers, Ph.D.,Ed.D. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse]Thinkpad x230 miniDisplayPort can't find
by 孑影 28 Jul '14

28 Jul '14

i have a Dell monitor ,support MiniDP and VGA. i use VGA connect this monitor the system can find it. but i use MiniDP connect this monitor the system can't find it. my system is opensuse 13.1 and kernel is 3.11.xxx (Linux 3.11.10-17-desktop #1 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux ) xrandr output ####### > xrandr Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1366 x 768, maximum 32767 x 32767 LVDS1 connected primary 1366x768+0+0 (norcmal left inverted right x axis y axis) 277mm x 156mm 1366x768 60.1*+ 1024x768 60.0 800x600 60.3 56.2 640x480 59.9 VGA1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) HDMI1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) DP1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 1920x1080_60.00 60.0 HDMI2 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) HDMI3 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) DP2 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) DP3 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) if used MiniDP connect the monitor , in startup screen showing is ok. but load the system os can used MiniDP connect monitor . my computer is intel integrated graphics why i can't used MiniDP connect my monitor. in the opensuse 12.3 i can do it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] Something wrong with opensuse list - some messages get there asap, some 1/2 hour or more?
by David C. Rankin 27 Jul '14

27 Jul '14

All, For the past 24 hours or so, I've had some messages that take over 1/2 hour to reach the list, while some get there in 2 secs. Is anyone else seeing this? What could cause this? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] wsjt-x for SuSE 13.1
by Damon Register 27 Jul '14

27 Jul '14

Since I have just installed 13.1 this morning, I got the hamradio repository added and have installed a few ham related programs already. One program that I have is wsjt. I was hoping to find a related program called wsjt-x but I don't find that one. Has anyone used wsjt-x with SuSE 13.1? Is there a SuSE package or will I have to build from source? Damon Register -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] 13.1 - MariaDB: Why is /etc/my.cnf chmod 0640 and why is /etc/my.cnf.d/ 0750?
by David C. Rankin 27 Jul '14

27 Jul '14

All, After trying to determine why mysql (MariaDB) /etc/my.cnf settings are only seen in mysql is run by linux root user, I've stumbled on to a permission problem with Andrey's help that makes NO sense at all. The problem with normal unix users not getting the system-wide setting in /etc/my.cnf is because /etc/my.cnf cannot be read by normal users. That's nuts. In fact, the whole system-wide conf scheme for mysql can only be read by 'root' or members of the 'mysql' group. Specifically: # l /etc/my.cnf -rw-r----- 1 root mysql 3429 Jul 25 19:37 my.cnf # l /etc/my.cnf.d total 20 -rw-r----- 1 root mysql 119 Sep 19 2013 default_plugins.cnf Why should users have to be members of the mysql group to see settings in the config files?? This is completely Linux backwards from eliminating the need for users to be members of special groups to use the system. What says the brain-trust? Intentional or bug? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] why is rsync speed (kB/s) 2x as dolphin copy?
by Daniel Bauer 27 Jul '14

27 Jul '14

Hi, I am just wondering if I have some weird settings or if that's normal behaviour: When I copy a file on my server, using drag and drop with two dolphin windows I get a transfer speed of approx. 35-40 kB/s. When I use rsync to copy the same files I get a speed of approx. 85-90 kB/s. Where does this difference come from? Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com google+: https://plus.google.com/109534388657020287386 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse] webpin LIVES for 13.1!
by David C. Rankin 26 Jul '14

26 Jul '14

All, In response to my initial post on webpin, I was directed to: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools/openSUSE_13.1/noa… I downloaded and installed. Initially it failed due to not recognizing 13.1: $ webpin fluxbox ERROR: invalid or unsupported value for distribution version: "13.1" Valid values are: Factory, 11.1, 12.3, 12.2, 12.1, 11.4, 11.0, factory, 11.2, 11.3, latest The fix was minor. Just edit the const.py script and make the following changes: - defaultSuseVersion = '12,3' + defaultSuseVersion = '13.1' distVersionMap = { + '13.1': 'openSUSE_131', '12.3': 'openSUSE_123', After making the changes: $ webpin fluxbox 20 results (12 packages) found for "fluxbox" in openSUSE_131 * fluxbox: A window manager for X based on Blackbox 0.61.1 - 1.3.5.2.1 [X11:windowmanagers] * fluxbox-styles-upstream: Upstream bundle of styles for fluxbox - 1.3.5.2.1 [X11:windowmanagers] * fluxbox-debuginfo: Debug information for package fluxbox - 1.3.5.2.1 [X11:windowmanagers] * fluxbox-debugsource: Debug sources for package fluxbox - 1.3.5.2.1 [X11:windowmanagers] * fbdesk: Icon Manager for Fluxbox - 1.4.1.3.5 [packman] * tint2: A Taskbar/Tray manager for lightweight WM - 0.11.2.4 [packman] - rev649.2.1 [home:bkutil:crunch] * allin1: Dock app - System monitoring - 0.5.0.1.1 [home:malcolmlewis:blackbox] * pekwm: Light and highly configurable window manager - 0.1.17.1.3 [X11:windowmanagers] * wicd-gtk: Wired and wireless network manager - GTK+ client - 1.7.2.4.26.54 [home:pcerny:factory] - 1.7.2.4.25.4 [network:utilities] * fish: A user friendly interactive shell - 2.1.0.1.1 [shells] - 2.1.0.3.1 [home:dirtycold] - 2.0.0.201306102200.2 [devel:cloverleaf] - 2.1.0.2.1 [shells:fish:release:2] - 2.1.0+404.g79d1452.1.1 [shells:fish:nightly:master] * selflinux: Linux tutorial - 0.13.0.11.1 [Education] * rubygem-launchy-doc: RDoc documentation for launchy - 2.4.2.11.1 [devel:languages:ruby:extensions] - 2.3.0.2.1.2 [suse-oss] - 2.1.2.9.6 [home:Ximi1970:OBS:Server:2.4:Experimental] S.O.B -- it works :) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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