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[opensuse] Novell GPL violation thread on Groklaw
by Miguel Angel Alvarez 09 Aug '06

09 Aug '06

Hi all, It has caught my attention the following subthread in latest groklaw article ("A Protective Order in Novell & a Tiny Delay in IBM"), from a post titled "GPL 2 or 3 an interesting dilemma" on the OT thread. http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20060803232955625&title… It seems to imply that Novell has violated the GPL big way with the boxed SuSE 10.1 distribution. Quoting: But there are bigger issues than which version of the GPL to use, such as what to do about suppliers of boxed distros who don't even mention the source code in their manual, far less where to get it, and don't supply it on the DVD. Actually, they probably do supply sufficient kernel source to be able to compile the interface to the Nvidia driver, but that is all, and yet they appear to be taking the moral high ground by refusing to supply anything directly that is not GPL compatible, while all the time they themselves are in violation. I do of course mean Novell, whose actions I no longer trust, and whose products I no longer use, especially as SuSE 10.1 was very badly broken. So, is Novell really violating the GPL with SuSE 10.1? -- Don't see the world through a window, be open{source}minded, and be free :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help(a)opensuse.org

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SPAM: 10.0 - Problem starting evolution
by Bruce Ferrell 09 Aug '06

09 Aug '06

I use evolution for todo lists and contacts. After the todays thunderbird update evolution starts up with dialogs that seem to be blocking one another. Any suggestions on how to fix it? -- One day at a time, one second if that's what it takes

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RE: [SLE] On-demand caching local mirror?
by Marlier, Ian 09 Aug '06

09 Aug '06

> -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Boddy [mailto:stephen.boddy@btinternet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:21 PM > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com > Subject: [SLE] On-demand caching local mirror? > > I'm wondering if anyone can come up with an answer. I'm after a piece of > software that will "mirror" an ftp directory (as an example) locally, but > will not retrieve the files unless read. I'm sort of thinking of a FUSE > sort > of local filesystem. > > i.e. The SUSE updates repository. > 1. Set up a local folder. > 2. Get the remote file list. > 3. An app requests a file. > 4. If in local cache, return file, goto 3 > 5. If not local, and if connection closed, reopen. > 6. Try to retrieve, then return file, goto 3 > (every so often (on mount, once/day) repeat 2) > > The point being that I have multiple machines I want to update, so I don't > want to waste bandwidth by a) downloading the kde updates repeatedly, or b) > replicating the whole folder with updates for packages I haven't installed. > > It seems like this would be a sensible addition to SUSE for those of us > with > multiple machines, (applying to virtual ones too.) I've googled, and gone > through lots of pages, but I can't find something that operates like this. > The closest I seen so far is fuseftp. The two problems I can see with this > are > 1. I think the cache expiry time is specified in seconds, and I can't see > if > there is an indefinate (i.e. passing 0) > 2. I think it holds the ftp connection open while it is mounted, which > wouldn't be good for the servers, with people holding connections open. > > Any suggestions? I think it sounds like a great idea, personally... Given the lack of that particular functionality, I think I might try something like this, though... `cd /srv/www/htdocs; rsync -arv --delete --exclude=*.ppc* rsync://suse.mirrors.tds.net/suse/update; chkconfig apache2 on; /etc/init.d/apache2 start` And then point at that machine as your update source, from everywhere else. (and if you didn't want to share it out via http, ftp or nfs or....) It does mean that you need to download everything; but you only have to do it once. And keeping your update tree up-to-date is just a matter of croning the rsync to run once a day or so. (One note: I do this, because I have 50 or 60 machines to keep up to date, running a bunch of different suse versions. If you're just looking to keep a few, like 3 or 5 or something, updated, then you probably want to use the public update sites per usual -- rsync can be a heavy protocol, and using it unnecessarily is generally considered to be a Bad Thing.) -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq(a)suse.com

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Re: [SLE] SPAM: unsubcribe
by David SMITH 09 Aug '06

09 Aug '06

On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 05:48:34PM -0700, The Nice Spider wrote: > > This is not a "'de-facto' standard". At least three > of the most > > commonly-used mailing list managers (majordomo, > mailman, ezmlm) do not > > use this "standard". In fact, I'd go as far as > saying that the mailing > > lists which *do* follow this "standard" are in the > minority, certainly in > > the UNIX world. You appear to have been "lucky" in > the lists that you've > > picked. > > > yes. this is 'de-facto' standard. the most popular > mailing list is yahoo > groups, then here the 'de-facto' standard Ah, so I see. Just because ONE mailing list manager does it, that means its a "de-facto standard"? Rubbish. Here's a wake-up call. Yahoo! Groups is NOT the most commonly used mailing list manager in the UNIX world. Most of them run on majordomo or mailman, and majordomo was around a long time before Yahoo! Groups. So it's actually Yahoo! who are deviating from the "standard". I would also question whether Yahoo! Groups is the most commonly used MLM overall. Remember, many companies use MLMs internally. Just because Yahoo! Groups might be the most commonly used among "free, general public interest" mailing lists, doesn't mean it's the most commonly used overall. Let's have a look at the mailing lists I'm on: SuSE (SLE, suse-security): ezmlm gEDA: Mailman IPCop (user, devel and cvs): Mailman Local LUG: Mailman Internal company: Internally developed, used to be majordomo This Is True: Lyris LDP: Mailman Local Freecycle group: Yahoo! Groups Yep, quite obvious that Yahoo! Groups is the de-facto standard. Go and join a few more Linux-related mailing lists, and you'll find that virtually all of them are based on Mailman or (occasionally) Majordomo. Yes, ezmlm is relatively uncommon, but lists which require unsubscription messages to be sent somewhere other than the list address are not. Majordomo and Mailman require them to be sent to <listname>-request@... > > No, because not there is not always a common > agreement on "how it should > > work". Reply-To: is a good example of this. > > > the maintener of this milist still retain his way > which caused REPLY to the > SENDER, not to the MILIST ADDRESS. I'm not getting into a discussion on the rights and wrongs of this - it's been done over and over and over again, and isn't going to change. The fact is that it is set that way for a reason, and you should respect that decision if you want to use this service for which, after all, the list owner is paying. > > Alternatively, read the header *OR* footer, use your > brain for once, and > > learn to unsubscribe yourself properly. It's not > difficult. > > the maintener of this milist should learn and hear > from users. please try to > join yahoo groups, then you will understand what thing > do in the way of this > most popular mailing list, again the most popular is > the 'de-facto' not > 'de-jure'. I'm in Yahoo! Groups on a couple of mailing lists. It's a heap of bovine excretia. It's full of advertising, my details are repeatedly spam-harvested, and if you lose your login details they're virtually impossible to recover - you can't re-register as it prevents you because it already knows your email address, it won't send you your password, and the "help" section is an endless mass of circular links which never end up in a "get help from a real person" link. If Yahoo! Groups is an example of what mailing list managers should be like, God help us. > as you can see, this mailing list have stupid SPAM > technology, which we see > many message stamped as SPAM but they are not spam > actually. too many > negative-false of spam in this milist but it's depend > on the maintener to > hear users voice or force user to follow they way, > makes this is not a > suggestion but a choice: take it or leave it. Fine. Feel free to leave it. Goodbye. I do think there is a bit of a problem with the spam checking on this list, but that's a completely separate issue. > but i believe someday the > maintener will see the 'de-facto' standard and follow > this standard. I hope not. By your definition, Windows is the de-facto standard operating system, and therefore everyone should be following that standard. So, why are you bothering with Linux? -- David Smith Work Email: Dave.Smith(a)st.com STMicroelectronics Home Email: David.Smith(a)ds-electronics.co.uk Bristol, England GPG Key: 0xF13192F2

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SuSE 10.1 Unusably Slow
by wmeler 09 Aug '06

09 Aug '06

I had SuSE 10.0 installed just fine, but I installed WinXP and in the process decided to install 10.1. Apparently a bad move, because though WinXP is running great and SuSE 10.0 ran better than any OS I've ever used, SuSE 10.1 is running unusably slow. I mean so slow that right after I boot, if I run konqueror, I can watch the bouncing konqueror icon suspend in mid-air multiple times. We're talking at least a full minute before it comes up. Forget about using it, that's 10x worse. Ideas? I have no idea where to start as ever since SuSE 8.1, I've not had any problems like this. -- Cheers, wmeler

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apache internal/external problem
by Primm 09 Aug '06

09 Aug '06

/etc/hosts contains: 127.0.0.1 localhost 192.168.1.2 steve2.com steve2 apache is set to listen on all IP's My computer name is steve2.com I can ping all four of the above internally. http://127.0.0.1 works (it shows me my webpage) None of the others will give me my webpage. I want to be able to type the same address internally as I do externally in Internet whilst developing my site especially when copying links. Can anyone help me? Thanks

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Realtek 8168 network driver
by Koenraad Lelong 09 Aug '06

09 Aug '06

Hi, It seems that Suse 10.1 does not recognise the NIC on my Asus V6J laptop. I found a driver-source for it on Realtek's website. I followed the readme-file, but there are problems. I did : -unpack the source in a directory -made sure kernel-source and gcc are installed -did a "make mrproper" "make oldconfig" in the kernel-source directory. -make clean modules Result : complaints about "no rule to make target...". In a directory of the kernel-source it was looking for a file that exists in the source-directory of the driver. I made a symbolic link of the driver-source directory to the kernel-source-directory. A new try gave following problem : linux-lk:~/r1000 # make clean modules make -C src/ clean make[1]: Entering directory `/root/r1000/src' rm -f *.o *.ko *~ core* .dep* .*.d .*.cmd *.mod.c *.a *.s .*.flags make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/r1000/src' make -C src/ modules make[1]: Entering directory `/root/r1000/src' make -C /lib/modules/2.6.16.13-4-smp/build SUBDIRS=/root/r1000/src modules make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.16.13-4-obj/i386/smp' make -C ../../../linux-2.6.16.13-4 O=../linux-2.6.16.13-4-obj/i386/smp modules /root/r1000/src/Makefile:28: /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.13-4/src/Makefile_linux26x: No such file or directory make[5]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux-2.6.16.13-4/src/Makefile_linux26x'. Stop. make[4]: *** [_module_/root/r1000/src] Error 2 make[3]: *** [modules] Error 2 make[2]: *** [modules] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.16.13-4-obj/i386/smp' make[1]: *** [modules] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/r1000/src' make: *** [modules] Error 2 linux-lk:~/r1000 # Now I'm stuck. Does anyone have a working driver for that NIC ? How did you get it ? Thanks. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Koenraad Lelong R&D Manager ACE electronics n.v.

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Creating a Debian domU under SLES 10
by Simon 09 Aug '06

09 Aug '06

Hi There, I would like to create a paravirtualised guest using debian as the guest OS under SLES 10. I can create fully virtualised guests OK, using a debian boot iso as the boot image, but am getting a little confused as to the settings (i.e. which kernel image to select etc) in the GUI tools to achieve a debian paravirtualised guest. Has anyone done this via the GUI tools in SLES 10? Thanks Simon

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Re: [opensuse] Novell GPL violation thread on Groklaw
by Thomas Hertweck 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

Jerry Westrick wrote: > On Tuesday 08 August 2006 20:39, Thomas Hertweck wrote: > > [...] > > Don't misunderstand me, I do not have a problem with the current > > situation! [...] > > I don't understand any of this. If you don't understand anything, why... > Are you proposing that Novell intentionally hid the link so that people cannot > get to the source code when they wanted it? This I would think not. ...do you accuse me of making silly proposals? Read the whole thread! I didn't start the discussion, I was just reporting what other people have complained about on other mailing lists or forums, and this was clearly marked in my first email. What part of my statement cited above, "I don't have a problem with the current situation", didn't you understand? I don't like it at all if people deliberately try to change the meaning of my words. You should send your questions to the OP, not to me... My latest comment was about the GPL and the interpretation of "written offer valid for three years" in paragraph 3b that has to accompany the binary code. I am just curious whether a series of links to web sites is indeed in compliance with this paragraph. Cheers, Th. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse] Why Red Hat will go bust because of Ubuntu
by Dominique Leuenberger 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

>>> suse(a)linuxin.dk 07-08-2006 17:20 >>> >Of course the openSUSE-project description states: "We work together to create >and distribute the world's most usable Linux." I must have gotten this >wrong - I thought we were working together to make (open)SUSE better - but >apparently the Linux-distro we're making usable is SLE. Nice of Ted Haeger to >inform us what's going on in and around Novell. > >Someone please tell me, that this man is _wrong_. > >Martin Martin, I might be wrong, but I always saw openSUSE and SLE{D,P} being close together. I mean, after all, SuSE / Novell is a very active part of the openSUSE Project and is investing work hours (thus money) in it. If they want to develop openSUSE besides their SLE{D,P} products, they could not afford it at all. After all, it depends a lot on the community how solid openSUSE is and will be in the future! Together with SuSE / Novell WE can make the best Distro on the market! BUT: This requires us to be much more helpful especially during Alpha / Beta testing! Don't just deny installing the previews, because they ARE buggy. Install it, write down all the informations for bugs and submit them to Bugzilla. Of course Novell will take one or the other version as a SnapShot for the Enterprise line. With a bit more around, a bit tighter... What's wrong about this? Dominique

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