October 2004 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

RE: [SLE] Down load count?
by Powell, Stuart 08 Oct '04

08 Oct '04

Analog is another one -- http://www.analog.cx/. But webalizer is on your SuSE CDs, so that's probably easier to start with. You can always run both, with output going to different directories and see which one you prefer. They'd be reading the same log files. Bye for now, Stuart. -----Original Message----- From: Mike [mailto:mike@mikenjane.net] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 11:16 AM To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] Down load count? On Friday 08 October 2004 17:19, James Hatridge wrote: Hi Jim, > Hi all... > > I plan on putting a PDF file on my web site for free down load. I > would like to be able to know how many people look at it. How would > you guys handle it? Take a look at webalizer. It will create all kinds of info, and make it readable for you. I use it here locally to check hits on my site. Mike

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floppy module - P4T-E
by Juan Francisco Torres Chacón 08 Oct '04

08 Oct '04

Hi I had this problem with SuSE 7.3 and I find it again with 9.1 It seems that board ASUS P4T-E has problems with a lot (not only SuSE) of linux distributions, and the floppy controllers are not loaded. This ends up with inability to use or access /dev/fd0. (when machine is booting, you get a "floppy: no controllers found" message). In 7.3, I think I was able to make this work by first installing SuSE using a floppy disk as boot device, and after installation is finished, reinstalling Lilo to hard disk (I dont remember if that is what I did). I tried this with 9.1, and other things, with no luck. I finally got some light into this, and I found that may be some patches can be applied to the floppy module. Another solution (the one I want to try) mentions that you should use the floppy module outside the kernel (not compiled into it). My Question is: How do you use the floppy module in 9.1? Can this be done with the precompiled kernel installed from the beginning? Do I have to install sources and recompile the whole kernel? If yes, which kernel sources do I have to use to have the exact same kernel installed by SuSE install? (I dont want to loose any functionality of the original kernel. I would only need to use the exernal floppy module to solve the problem I mention). Any particular documentation for this? thanks. -------------------------------------------------------- Juan Francisco Torres

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crontab help
by Donald D Henson 08 Oct '04

08 Oct '04

(SuSE 9.1, Gnome 2.4, kernal 2.6.5-7.108-default) I used kcron to set up a nightly backup but it doesn't work. I've run the crontab entry manually and the command works ok. The SuSE manual says that crontab is now located in /var/cron but that directory doesn't exist. Kcron, as it turns out, is saving the crontab in the /etc directory. An obvious solution is to create /var/cron and then move crontab from the /etc directory to /var/cron. My CLI skills are pretty weak so I would like someone to confirm that the "obvious solution" is the correct thing to do. Any assistance here will be appreciated. -- Donald D. Henson, Managing Director West El Paso Information Network The "Non-Initiation of Force Principle" Rules

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Has The performance been forgotten?
by Bahram Alinezhad 08 Oct '04

08 Oct '04

See the text attachment (unix format). _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com I don't know how much effect it can have, I don't know how many times it has been commented, I don't know what can I do for an improvement, But I know... Working with a computer is not enjoyable when it responds slow! ___________________________________________________________________________ | | | | | | | | TIMES TO RUN | | | | | | | IN | SuSE | RedHat | Windows | Windows | | | SECONDS | 9.1 | 9.0 | XP(SP1) | 98(se) | | | | | | | | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| ___________________________________________________________________________ | | | | | | | | boot before | | | | | | | login | | | | | | | | 62 | 54 | 22 | 20 | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| | | | | | | | | boot after | (KDE 3.2) |(Gnome 2.2)| | | | | login | | | | | | | | 80 | 17 | 9 | 9 | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| | | | | | | | | |(Konqueror)|(Nautilus) |(Explorer) |(Explorer) | | | file browser | | | | | | | | 2 | 1 | 1 | < 1 | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| | | | | | | | | multi media |(Kaffeine) | |(M-Player) |(M-Player) | | | player | | n/a | | | | | | 12 | | 1 | 1 | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| | | | | | | | | control | | | | | | | center/ | | | | | | | panel | 15 | 4 | 1 | < 1 | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| | | | | | | | | | (YaST) | |(Computer | | | | management | | n/a |Management)| n/a | | | | 15 | | 2 | | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| | | | | | | | | add/remove | | | | | | | components | | | | | | | | 45 | 15 | 6 | 4 | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | find file | | | | | | | | 12 | 1 | 1 | < 1 | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| | | | | | | | | command | (Konsole) |(Terminal) |(DosPrompt)|(DosPrompt)| | | prompt | | | | | | | | 7 | 2 | 1 | < 1 | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| | | | | | | | | | (Kwrite) | (Gedit) | (WordPad) | (WordPad) | | | text editor | | | | | | | | 15 | 3 | 1 | < 1 | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | total | | | | | | | | 265 | > 97 | 45 | > 36 | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| Also note: - I am shouting not because I hate linux, but because I hate negligences hurled at it so far! - I know many people will suggest me to have a fast xxxx MHz CPU: No, I suggest programmers to test their programs on an xxx MHz CPU to see what they have created! These are my computer specifications (I am not kidding): Ultra high speed CPU: AMD K6-2+ at 550 MHz, Extra high end GPU: nVIDIA RivaTNT 16MB PCI, Super high speed SDRAM: 512MB PC133, Seagate 120GB 7200rpm + Western Digital 120GB 8MB buffer Windows98-SE + WindowsXP-SP1a + RedHat-Linux-9.0 + Suse-Linux-9.1 (Already, I am using Mozilla browser 1.7.3 on Linux) Other system properties: Professional sound: Creative SB16 ISA, High bandwidth modem: Rockwell 33.6 ISA, High quality big monitor: 14" color monitor ----------------------------------- Have fun! Bahram Alinezhad (alineziad(a)yahoo.com) 9/26/2004, Tehran, Iran.

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Kprinter "Print to file" directory
by James Knott 08 Oct '04

08 Oct '04

Is there any way to change the default directory Kprinter "prints" PDF files to? Kprinter somehow decided to make one directory I had used it's default, rather than my home directory. tnx jk

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RPM help
by Paul Howie 08 Oct '04

08 Oct '04

Hi everyone, I'm looking for a good resource that will explain the concept of RPMs to me. So far I've used YAST to cary out all my RPM operations so I'm not actually very clued up on the technoology itself. I was also wondering if there was a guide out there that could explain best practice for using RPMs with SUSE. I've built xinelib and kaffeine from source, for example, and now YOU keeps telling me that I should update to a newly available, though lower version. I was thinking that using RPMs might have prevented this little annoyance. Thanks in advance.

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Has The performance been forgotten?
by Bahram Alinezhad 08 Oct '04

08 Oct '04

-->> Also, please read other posts I send simultaneously. I'm sending this mail as if it is the first time it is being posted; Because, I need more members' notice. Why do I send these to Gnome mailing list? ->Wider spread in the linux community is required. Please look at the attached text file. Bahram Alinezhad, Tehran, Iran. -->> Also, please read other posts I send simultaneously. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com I don't know how much effect it can have, I don't know how many times it has been commented, I don't know what can I do for an improvement, But I know... Working with a computer is not enjoyable when it responds slow! ___________________________________________________________________________ | | | | | | | | TIMES TO RUN | | | | | | | IN | SuSE | RedHat | Windows | Windows | | | SECONDS | 9.1 | 9.0 | XP(SP1) | 98(se) | | | | | | | | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| ___________________________________________________________________________ | | | | | | | | boot before | | | | | | | login | | | | | | | | 62 | 54 | 22 | 20 | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| | | | | | | | | boot after | (KDE 3.2) |(Gnome 2.2)| | | | | login | | | | | | | | 80 | 17 | 9 | 9 | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| | | | | | | | | |(Konqueror)|(Nautilus) |(Explorer) |(Explorer) | | | file browser | | | | | | | | 2 | 1 | 1 | < 1 | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| | | | | | | | | multi media |(Kaffeine) | |(M-Player) |(M-Player) | | | player | | n/a | | | | | | 12 | | 1 | 1 | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| | | | | | | | | control | | | | | | | center/ | | | | | | | panel | 15 | 4 | 1 | < 1 | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| | | | | | | | | | (YaST) | |(Computer | | | | management | | n/a |Management)| n/a | | | | 15 | | 2 | | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| | | | | | | | | add/remove | | | | | | | components | | | | | | | | 45 | 15 | 6 | 4 | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | find file | | | | | | | | 12 | 1 | 1 | < 1 | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| | | | | | | | | command | (Konsole) |(Terminal) |(DosPrompt)|(DosPrompt)| | | prompt | | | | | | | | 7 | 2 | 1 | < 1 | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| | | | | | | | | | (Kwrite) | (Gedit) | (WordPad) | (WordPad) | | | text editor | | | | | | | | 15 | 3 | 1 | < 1 | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | total | | | | | | | | 265 | > 97 | 45 | > 36 | | |_______________|___________|___________|___________|___________|___________| Also note: - I am shouting not because I hate linux, but because I hate negligences hurled at it so far! - I know many people will suggest me to have a fast xxxx MHz CPU: No, I suggest programmers to test their programs on an xxx MHz CPU to see what they have created! These are my computer specifications: Ultra high speed CPU: AMD K6-2+ at 550 MHz, Extra high end GPU: nVIDIA RivaTNT 16MB PCI, Super high speed SDRAM: 512MB PC133, Seagate 120GB 7200rpm + Western Digital 120GB 8MB buffer Windows98-SE + WindowsXP-SP1a + RedHat-Linux-9.0 + Suse-Linux-9.1 (Already, I am using Mozilla browser 1.7.3 on Linux) Other system properties: Professional sound: Creative SB16 ISA, High bandwidth modem: Rockwell 33.6 ISA, High quality big monitor: 14" color monitor ----------------------------------- Have fun! Bahram Alinezhad (alineziad(a)yahoo.com) 9/26/2004, Tehran, Iran.

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RE: Has The performance been forgotten?
by Bahram Alinezhad 08 Oct '04

08 Oct '04

-->> Also, please read other posts I send simultaneously. My friend, If a project is deflecting from the right path, It may be necessary to stop its development and revise some past steps. I regret I'm not a programmer and cannot participate in development, and sometimes cannot understand how much difficult can be offering a fast, beautiful, and bug-free software. May be a question about slowness of SuSE lead to one of its components e.g. KDE; and that question about KDE lead to other projects like QT; Similarly, many projects may be known responsible for a certain issue, but all in uncertainty, and all may deny! If such a lack of co-ordination can be found in the linux community, solving a performance problem becomes disappointing; However, I hope this not to be true. If hopefully, the above deduction proves flase, one can ask developers to work seriously on some projects with the focus on performance: a parameter that is one of the most important criteria which unfortunately, only very skilled programmers pay attention to it. The performance issue here is not around %2 or %10: We have a great unreal slowness that requires severe notice; When your N hours spent on it saves N*10000 hours of user's times, isn't it worth doing a tedious work? Just at the time that open-source products are reaching to a usable, favourable, and likable point, adding a series of unnecessary cumbersome features make it so ugly and awkward that deservers laughing at it again. Isn't it a good impression to say that "THE FASTEST LINUX" when introducing a new version or distribution? I hope developers hear this little user's voice and promise to examine the case. Thank you for your notice, Bahram Alinezhad, Tehran, Iran. -->> Also, please read other posts I send simultaneously. --------------------------------------------------- "Jeffrey L. Taylor" (suse(a)austinblues.dyndns.org) wrote: --------------------------------------------------- Developers often have the latest and fastest machines. It isn't that they ignore performance hits. There aren't any on the machines they use. Volunteer developers (i.e., non-paid) get no brownie points for improving performance. They do get brownie points for features. They get flak for really bad performance. Flak can be ignored, discounted, brushed off, etc. If you want performance, reward it with money, hardware, public praise, etc. Performance tuning is hard, tedious work that mostly yields little reward. (How many brownie points are you going to get for a 2% improvement, even if it took a week or two to find? And performance tuning is a game of diminishing returns, i.e., if the first week of tuning may get you a 10% improvement, the second will probably yield no more than half that.) Jeffrey _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com

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RE: Has The performance been forgotten?
by Bahram Alinezhad 08 Oct '04

08 Oct '04

It looks that more people are admitting the performance lack... --------------------------------------------------- "alberto-g" (alberto-g(a)inventati.org) wrote: --------------------------------------------------- [...] One final note: your findings show that performance really seems to have been forgotten. And the saddest part is some people are blind enough not to recognize it. --------------------------------------------------- "Frans Englich" (frans.englich(a)telia.com) wrote: --------------------------------------------------- FWIW, regarding KControl, I've written a KControl from scratch and it is significantly in startup faster than the old. It is from a technical perspective the same, but is lighter and written for fast startup(it's 500 LOC compared to the current 5000..). KControl will be replaced in KDE 4, the question is whether it will be any of the "ordinary" proposed prototypes, or that meta search thing. Cheers, Frans --------------------------------------------------- "Alexander Neundorf" (neundorf(a)kde.org) wrote: --------------------------------------------------- Hi Bahram, interesting figures. Just some thoughts: starting konsole took approx. 2.0 seconds with my old K6/200 with KDE 2.x. The transition from KDE 2 to KDE 3.0 slowed KDE as a whole down (I think Qt 3 must be to blame). I think with Qt 4 we have a big opportunity to gain a lot of speed and memory. Qt4 will be split into QtCore and QtGui. maybe we use this to split some kdelibs in a way that some of them only need to link to QtCore and not the whole Qt. An another note, I always had the impression that Suse runs much slower than Slackware (which I am using). Especially Yast is dog slow. At work I'm using KDE 3.1 on a PIII/450 with 128 MB RAM. Runs fast enough, starts (until KDE is loaded) faster than Win2K on a P4/2.0 GHz. KDE takes maybe 30 seconds, konsole maybe 2 or 3, konqy maybe 5. There must be something wrong with your setup (I heard some things about fontconfig...). Maybe try another distro ? Bye Alex P.S. we can always need people willing to work on performance issues -- _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com

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RE: Has The performance been forgotten?
by Bahram Alinezhad 08 Oct '04

08 Oct '04

Yes, that problem is soluble by SaX2, Thanks. Bahram Alinezhad, Tehran, Iran. --------------------------------------------------- "Steve Kratz" (steve(a)townnews.com) wrote: --------------------------------------------------- Actually, if you go into the "sax" setup tool, and set the size (get out your ruler and measure), in mm, it will stop prompting for the setting -- And, in my experience, the display looks much better after that (fonts show up the "right" size, etc.) --------------------------------------------------- "Bahram Alinezhad" (alineziad(a)yahoo.com) wrote: --------------------------------------------------- - In Windows, when the desktop appears, may be some startup items still running; In SuSE 9.1 you see similar situation, at least for "kmix" and "hardware" icons in the system tray! Also, a message asking you about changing your monitor settings cannot be eliminated. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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