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[SLE] ip masq problem - HELP please
by whitey07＠sprynet.com 17 Jan '00

17 Jan '00

hi, I am using suse 6.2 with a NIC and a dialup modum on my firewall/gateway machine. In rc.config under MAQ_DEV YAST as eth0 which i presume is my NIC. Isn't that the wrong device to use shouldn't it be the modum that is forwarded to the rest of my lan and not the the NIC. I am really having problems gettng this to work so I appreciate any help that can be provided. For the record I compiled a kernal according to the how-to - loaded modules and entered the ipchains rules and my gateway has a working internet hookup - just nothing is getting to my LAn and all the computers on the LAN can see the gateway. Thanks in advance. Ed Bailey -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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Re: [SLE] Real Man page for tar?
by pinard＠iro.umontreal.ca 17 Jan '00

17 Jan '00

Ken Irving <jkirving(a)mosquitonet.com> écrit: > I haven't looked at help2man, but I'm guessing it makes a manified file > in the man directories. Let me see... Yes: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~bod/help2man-1.020.tar.gz, if you are curious. No, it just produce a `man' page on standard output, out of `PROGRAM --help' and `PROGRAM --version'. This is done on the maintainer side, while preparing a distribution. The distributed, ready man page is then installed by the Makefile generated by Automake. I fine-tuned this a tiny bit to overcome limitations which users reported. My best shot at it, so far, should be demonstrated in the latest `recode' pretest, at http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/recode/recode-3.5c.tar.gz. The key point was to generate the `man' page from `src/Makefile', rather than from `doc/Makefile' as I first thought it should be. The reason to distribute the `man' page pre-made is that `make install' on the user side is not allowed to depend on Perl, per GNU standards (in fact, this is said negatively: the standards list which programs are allowed, and Perl is not there). > I wonder if this could be done on the fly [...] Everything is possible, of course. This might be a change (in the mentality of how such things are done), I guess it might not be wise to rush it. All your argumentation does stress, in my eyes (which have nothing to do with the eyes of the FSF, by the way!) that there is a problem in that area. But we know that, don't we? :-) > I suppose the man command itself could be extended to try help2man on an > argument with no manpage. Similarly, while the info system is not flat, > and thus not easily converted to manpages, I wonder if there is a way > to make an interface to info docs through the man facility? That would be a sensible approach. `info' currently tries `man', but I remember having been unsatisfied that `info' did not try hard to at least look as appealing as `man' does, and the maintainer at the time was just not interested. Now, the thing is in the hands of Karl Berry, who his a very nice, very speakable guy (yet, able to have ideas and follow a line of thought, do not mistake being nice and being weak :-). I heard that Texinfo 4.0 has major improvements over previous versions, but I did not come to try it yet. What would be nice, to get out of that religious war, is that `man' and `info', or `lynx', or `hilf' (whatever the name :-), try harder to get hold on the documentation in whatever form it has, and inter-operate better. > Each help/documentation mechanism has its pros and cons, and I doubt if > the *nix world is ready for one true standard. HTML and other things is being attempted as a unifying format, but the browsers are often heavy beasts which start _by far_ too slowly, and lack very useful features that `info' has, like indexes and searching. A proper tool might still have to be written, despite many attempts in the recent years. `lynx' could have been close, maybe. Getting wide acceptance, given the competition and religious wars, might take years, if it ever happens. If only people were genuinely trying to solve the real problem, instead of pushing for a particular viewpoint. :-) I once thought `info' was to be it, as people writing GNU software often try very enthusiastically to make it the best in its category, but I'm not so sure that `info' is progressive enough to stand a chance. It had a good start at the very beginning, but soon started to lag, and in the meantime, got a few ferocious enemies (a bit beyond reason). Is it a lost cause? Who really knows what will happen... > Perhaps the "No manual entry for tar" message could be extended to > suggest other approaches, e.g., > No manual entry for tar (try 'info tar', 'tar --help', 'tar -h', ...) Another good idea. I hope it will reach people taking care of `man'. It would be nicer if the suggestion made by `man' was dependable. I guess people would soon dislike being sent to random fishing. > > I guess I could write entertaining and unbelievable chapters on the real > > history of `tar' documentation :-). > I'd be entertained to read it. Yes, maybe. I'd probably get angry if I started to remember it, and I do not really feel like negative emotions. Worse, the anger might propagate to you as well, and there is so much nicer and more productive ways to be! :-) -- François Pinard http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~pinard -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] <OT> off topic ~ guess we've all seen this ~
by tabanna＠ifrance.com 17 Jan '00

17 Jan '00

Thursday January 13, 2:52 pm Eastern Time Company Press Release SuSE Linux AG Enlarges Board of Directors NUREMBERG, Germany--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 13, 2000--With the appointment of a larger board of directors, SuSE Linux AG is setting the course for the further expansion. Roland Dyroff, 33, will continue to be chief executive officer (CEO) of SuSE Linux AG and direct the internationally-oriented company group. Dirk Hohndel, 32, Chief Technology Officer (CTO), is the head of technology and development, and Roland Giebitz, 38, Chief Operations Officer (COO), will oversee finance and operations. ``In the past year, SuSE Linux AG increased the number of distribution and service centers from two to seven. With revenue of 22 million dollars and over 250 staff members, SuSE is one of the leading companies in the Linux field worldwide,'' summarizes company founder Roland Dyroff. ``We will consolidate our strong position in the market and take a leadership position worldwide in the coming business year. To do this we not only have the personnel and structural means, but also the financial means available, through the involvement on the part of Apax Partners and Intel.'' Dirk Hohndel's CTO responsibilties, apart from the technical direction of SuSE development, are the expansion and development of strategic alliances. Dirk Hohndel studied Mathematics at the University of Wuerzburg, before working as a software engineer at the AIB Software Corporation and at Platinum Technology, then as a Unix architect at the Deutscher Bank in Frankfurt. As vice-president, Hohndel is in charge of the XFree86(tm) project, which represents a technical milestone for Linux development. Roland Giebitz, as commercial director (Chief Operations Officer, COO), completes the board trio. He will focus on adjusting operational processes to the rapidly growing structure, especially in view of the global orientation of the company. Roland Giebitz studied business economics in Frankfurt and earned his MBA at the London Business School. He has worked for McKinsey & Co., Duesseldorf; AGAB Aktiengesellschaft fur Anlagen und Beteiligungen, Frankfurt; Strategic Decisions Group, Richmond (England); and Thimm Verpackung GmbH & Co., Northeim; and Sartorius AG, Gottingen (both in Germany). About SuSE: With over 250 employees, SuSE Linux AG is one of the biggest Linux specialists worldwide, as well as one of the oldest, having been founded in 1992. Thanks to its stability and quality, SuSE Linux is used by more than a million private users and more than 50,000 business customers. Along with the development and sales center in Nuremberg, subsidiaries in Oakland/USA, London, Prague and Merano sul Parano/Italy ensure the further development and dissemination of SuSE Linux. For using Linux in a business environment, SuSE offers an extensive range of consulting and support services, as well as commercial Linux software and complete Linux systems. With SuSE Labs, SuSE is making a significant contribution to Linux development, especially in the areas of the Linux kernel, glibc, XFree86(tm), KDE, ISDN4Linux, ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) and USB (Universal Serial Bus). SuSE Inc., the US subsidiary, is located in the greater San Francisco Bay sales and technical support and Premier Partner Programs to ISVs, customers, distributors, and resellers. The US web site is http://www.suse.com. -- ____________ sent on Linux ____________ ______________________________________________________________________________ Si votre email etait sur iFrance vous pourriez ecouter ce message au tel ! http://www.ifrance.com : ne laissez plus vos emails loins de vous ... gratuit sur iFrance : emails (20 MO, POP, FAX), Agenda, Site perso -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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Re: [SLE] Re: Real Man page for tar?
by pinard＠iro.umontreal.ca 17 Jan '00

17 Jan '00

"S.Toms" <tomas(a)primenet.com> writes: > My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. I do not remember the names nor the date, but at least the history... A journalist asked that diplomat "Didn't you tell the exact contrary yesterday?". And the diplomat replied "You would not deny me the right of improving and getting better, every day..." :-) -- François Pinard http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~pinard -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] Re: Real Man page for tar?
by pinard＠iro.umontreal.ca 17 Jan '00

17 Jan '00

Jim Osborn <jimo(a)eskimo.com> writes: > Well, perhaps you can "de-crypt" a few things I've been unable to > figure out with the info system: There is the stand-alone `info' browser, which I do not use much, since Emacs is my usual editing framework, and I use the Info reader in it. So, what I may say is true for Emacs, but I'm not sure for the stand-alone `info'. > 1: How do I scroll a single line forward or back? Often the text I'm > reading is split inconveniently off the top or bottom of the screen, > and I want to bring the entire paragraph onscreen so I can study it. > What's the info equivalent of less' <ret> to scroll one line down, > or 1b to go one line backward? What I usually do is that I bring the cursor roughly in the middle of the area of interest, and do `C-l' (that is, `Control' with `L') to bring that position near the centre of the screen. In some rare circumstances, I use the usual Emacs commands `M-0 C-l' (or `Alt' with `0' and `Control' with `L') to bring the current line at the top of the window, or `M-- C-l' (or `Alt' with `-' and `Control with `L') to bring the current line at the bottom. Sometimes, more rarely, I use the window scroll bar, with the mouse. I'm not really a mouse-type guy, but within Emacs, using the scroll bar and various buttons, you have a quite fine control over the amount of the screen scrolled at each click. > 2: How do I scroll directly to the end of the current page? 'M->' (or `Alt'-`Shift'-`>') jump at the end. `M-<' at the beginning. > 3: How can I scroll unidirectionally (keeping in mind question 1) > through the entire document? By using `SPC' repeatedly (in `Emacs', this skips over menus, probably because you are not using them). Using `BKS' repeatedly scrolls back through the whole document. Two useful commands, besides `m' which selects a menu entry with completion in the current page, or `f' to follow a reference with completion in the current page, are `i' to jump somewhere in the manual given an index entry, or more prosaically, `s' to search the whole manual for a regular expression. Of course, it is not at all required to know these commands for using Info, but they might speed up things, when you know rather exactly what you want. > The reason I consider less "simpler" than info is less' abstraction > of the document as a single monolithic file. Using `SPC', `BKS' for raw movement, and `s' to search wholly, gives me that abstraction enough to be comfortable whenever I need it. When a manual is well structured, or well indexed, it is usually easier to go through the various menus (with `m') or the index (with `i'). In the case of the `tar' manual, I also tried to have a manual section for each option, with the node name being the option name, and giving everything that should be said about that option. I would use the `g' command to go to a particular node, with completion, the other means also being available. I surely put many cross-node references to ease quick movement (with `f' to follow references). As you say, one could use the `tar' manual as a monolithic bulk, but I would think this is a rather heavy and slow paradigm, at least given the manual size. There is a _lot_ to say about many things. > I'm not convinced I've ever been able to see the entire info document > for tar, for example, as I don't know if I've poked into all its corners > and cul de sacs. I quite understand what you mean. Doing it that way, you even need some confidence in the author that his/her structure really reaches every corner. Moreover, this is a rather tedious way to read a manual from one cover to the other. Better is just using `t' to go to the `top' of the document, and paging all your way through with `SPC'. And if curiosity brings you to wander, follow references, menu items, or whatever, remember that you can pop up the chain of nodes visited using `l' (for `last' node), until you came back to your main stream, and merely resume your sequential reading from there. > Thanks for the thoughts, Thanks as well. There is nothing like frank speech to clarify things! :-) Keep happy! -- François Pinard http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~pinard -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] Re: Real Man page for tar?
by jimo＠eskimo.com 17 Jan '00

17 Jan '00

Franois Pinard <pinard(a)iro.umontreal.ca> replies: >Jim Osborn <jimo(a)eskimo.com> writes: >> the tar developers seem to have a political problem with the classic >> man pages. > >Maybe slightly political, but the real truth is that it was not practical >spoiling human energies at maintaining parallel documentation in many >formats. As Texinfo format is _undoubtedly_ superior to `man', at least >to anybody being a bit honest, the choice of crafting a parallel `man' >page did not remain. On the other hand, the automated derivation of a >`man' page from the `--help' output is quite acceptable, and this is why >we managed to do it. As I said, this concise listing of the various options, with enough explanation to guide the user with at least rudimentary experience is extremely helpful. >> the last thing they want is to confront a cryptic "info" system. >> Give the poor user a simple, single file to read with a pager like less. > >I never understood why people are so reluctant to learn the first letter of >the words Next, Previous, Up and Menu, or use the space key to page forward. >That's all you need. I would be tempted to say that `less' has many more >commands than `info', and I've never been tempted to call it cryptic. >I think that the habit of bashing Info is mainly folklore, which came both >from die-hard `man' people and keyboard-less Netscape users :-). Well, perhaps you can "de-crypt" a few things I've been unable to figure out with the info system: 1: How do I scroll a single line forward or back? Often the text I'm reading is split inconveniently off the top or bottom of the screen, and I want to bring the entire paragraph onscreen so I can study it. What's the info equivalent of less' <ret> to scroll one line down, or 1b to go one line backward? 2: How do I scroll directly to the end of the current page? Often I happen to know that some point I'm interested in is discussed near the end of the current section, and I'd like to flip directly there, then back to the part I'm currently reading. After I've been to the end of the page (or, say, the beginning) how can I go directly back to where I was before all this jumping around, say, in the middle of the page? 3: How can I scroll unidirectionally (keeping in mind question 1) through the entire document? If I want to make an initial pass through the information, how can I know I've seen it all? I'm an old keyboard person myself, and I can sympathise with the need to maintain a single set of documentation. The reason I consider less "simpler" than info is less' abstraction of the document as a single monolithic file. Once you have a rough idea of where the information you're seeking is located in that file, it's conceptually easy to scroll forward or backward to it. A simple key search helps you find things initially, and a set of marks lets you jump directly to any of 256 locations. That's the extent of the less command I use, despite its daunting array of options and commands. For documents of fewer than, say, fifty pages, it's a nice simple reader. The info system of hyperlinks, or menus, seems much less straightforward in its abstraction of the document itself. I'm not convinced I've ever been able to see the entire info document for tar, for example, as I don't know if I've poked into all its corners and cul de sacs. I find myself going round and round various loops, feeling sure I've seen this page before, but not having a clear idea where this page is in the information tree. Maybe an answer to question 3 above would solve this problem. Thanks for the thoughts, Jim -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] bash programming help is needed...
by Anonymous User 17 Jan '00

17 Jan '00

if [ -z "$INPUTLOG" ] || [ -z "$OUTPUTLOG" ] || [ -z "$NOTESBIN" ] || [ -z "$NOTESDATA" ] then echo 'ERROR, not all enviornment variables are set...' echo '$INPUTLOG='$INPUTLOG echo '$OUTPUTLOG='$OUTPUTLOG echo '$NOTESBIN='$NOTESBIN echo '$NOTESDATA='$NOTESDATA exit 1 fi For some reaons the code above is not being liked by bash. I don't see a problem, can someone help me out? What I am trying to do is check for the four enviornment variables and if they are NOT set, I want to exit the script. ANTHOER Q: I would also like to check and make sure that the script is being run as a certain user, like 'fred', how can I check to see if 'fred' is the user that this script is executing as? Sam -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] Use of :unscaled in font paths
by abrahams＠mbs.valinet.com 16 Jan '00

16 Jan '00

`Steve's Linux' (not sure who the human is) posted this example of a FontPath setting for XF86Config a while ago: Section "Files" RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" FontPath "unix/:7101" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/URW" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" However, the example in the XWindow Howto looks a little different: FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo" Some of the difference may just be a matter of taste, but there's one substantive difference: the `/' before `:unscaled' that appears in the Howto but not in Steve's version. Does anyone know if the slash really belongs there or not? And if not, how X distinguishes between scaled and unscaled fonts when it's looking for a font with a particular name or description? Neither the Howto nor the XF86Config(5) man page is enlightening on this point. Is there a better place to look for information? Paul Abrahams Paul Abrahams -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] TrueTypeFonts
by tabanna＠ifrance.com 16 Jan '00

16 Jan '00

IS it possible to PRINT TrueTypeFonts, _________________________________ OR, can one ONLY print Type1 fonts ? thanks -- ____________ sent on Linux ____________ ______________________________________________________________________________ Si votre email etait sur iFrance vous pourriez ecouter ce message au tel ! http://www.ifrance.com : ne laissez plus vos emails loins de vous ... gratuit sur iFrance : emails (20 MO, POP, FAX), Agenda, Site perso -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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[SLE] boot....
by RYagatich＠csn1.com 16 Jan '00

16 Jan '00

Usually install doesn't give me a problem, but this time it did: install crashed in YaST 2 on Mozzilo packages install crashed in YaST on some other package (began w/q) re-partitioned & formatted drive install stopped in YaST 2, not finding pages for powerd cleared install, re-installed, message: booting system [ok] shows up press [ok] only 2 proc start. then see: Welcome to SuSE Linux 6.3 Kernel Build 2.2.13 Login: [login name] Password: [password] Have a lot of fun..... Welcome to SuSE Linux 6.3 Kernel Build 2.2.13 Login: [login name] Password: [password] Have a lot of fun..... i of course enter login name and password where they go... obviously, it shows MOTD and then quits. i went to boot off of fd0 (where i installed LILO) and the NonSysDisk error occours (signifying LiLO never installed) what do i do now? i'm getting pissed at install ryan -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/

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