May 2022 - openSUSE Users - openSUSE Mailing Lists

The end of pop3 on gmail?
by Gustav Degreef 21 Jun '22

21 Jun '22

Hello, I've searched on google for a solution but from what I've read, it seems like thunderbird will no longer be able to access gmail accounts using pop3. I received a notice from google, that after May 30 I will no longer be ale to retrieve mail using username/password. Oauth 2.0 apparently is only available for imap and not pop3 and 2sv with app passwords is not possible with thunderbird. Is there an alternative way to keep using thunderbird with pop3, so as to not have to leave mail on google's servers?

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Re: SMS vs whatever
by Per Jessen 11 Jun '22

11 Jun '22

jdd(a)dodin.org wrote: > Le 28/05/2022 à 17:54, Patrick Shanahan a écrit : > >> nothing is free (of charge) but hidden within (THE plan). but yes, >> sms does not incur *additional* charges on most accounts now, but did >> in the past. >> > > still do :-( Not for about ten years. (in my case). > I can phone for free to my LA living daugther, but If I send her a > SMS, I'm charged :-(, whats'app, messenger are free :-( Okay, so intercontinental SMS'es have a price :-) I can also come up with exceptions to prove the rule, equally far fetched. Specifically wrt SMS, in my business we have been using it for 15+ years for sending critical system alerts. Apart from having to change the setup, if I can post secure messages to Telegram/Discord/Matrix from the command line (from a script), I might have a look. (provided those services are as reliable as the telcos). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.9°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes

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Thunderbird (and now Firefox) intermittently causing high CPU load
by gumb 02 Jun '22

02 Jun '22

I'm on Leap 15.3. Held off the update from Thunderbird 78esr to 91esr for quite a long time because I'd read of one or two issues and knew it might be best to wait a while. Now, let me state that I've been using Thunderbird since pre-1.0 days about twenty years ago. It's always been rock solid stable, sometimes a bit old and clunky but absolutely reliable, more so than just about any other software I use. I also understand that open source developers don't get enthused by criticism and they give their free time and energy and we should all do our best to show appreciation and be constructive in our conversations and hug trees. With that said, all current Thunderbird developers must die! Okay, I'll back off a bit. After twenty years of rock solid stability I upgraded to 91esr and have run into a catalogue of irritations, some of which I should have actually catalogued because I've now forgotten for a moment what they are, but I'm sure they'll come back to haunt me some more. In the v91 release notes I see lots of happy-clapping for spangly new features that are of no relevance to me. I just want the continued stability. Somebody already remarked on here some time ago that scrolling in the TB message preview pane is now horked. I either have to click or move the mouse about erratically in the pane to get it to scroll. Sometimes it scrolls immediately, other times not, and seems worse when there's images in the mail but no consistency or logic to it. Tried turning on hardware acceleration and for an hour or so thought that had cured it, only for the problem to return many times since. One or two other smaller annoyances I'll just have to put up with for the time being, but I'd like to know if anybody else has witnessed high CPU usage, specifically in Thunderbird 91esr on Leap 15.3? I wondered if it was continually reindexing my twenty years' archive of folders, and at first it seemed to do it fairly routinely once a day in early evening. But then it became more frequent, and now it spins up several times a day. This laptop has been ultra quiet for three years. 8 cores, 32gb of RAM, all of which I barely use. Bought it secondhand-like-new and it's way overspec'd for the mostly mundane tasks I require of it. Only very rarely does a CPU intensive task spin up the fan and make any noise noticeable, briefly. But now Thunderbird is doing this consistently. At this rate, it's going to wipe two years off the lifetime of this machine. I do NOT have the global search and indexer feature enabled. I tried deselecting and reselecting it as OFF just to make sure. If I look in Plasma's System Activity when the high load occurs, I see Thunderbird showing typically between 6 and 22% CPU load whilst most other processes are rarely pushing more than 1 or 2%. There may be subprocesses amongst the bazillion other kworker and whatever garbage things further down the list, but I can't pick out anything for sure. Nothing that nudges more than a percent or two. It's also not the Compact Folders process, because I still only do that manually after a prompt. It just prompted me for the first time in a long while (I have it set to only act with over ~200mb wasted space), and after that ran for a few seconds, my system just went into some kind of hyperdrive like never before witnessed, whilst Baloo reindexed for a few minutes and half the neighbourhood lost power to the centrale nucléaire whilst Mr Linux plays with his email client. And now Firefox has decided to join in the fun and games. Again, the standard latest ESR version for 15.3. Most particularly when I start playing anything in YouTube, but not uniquely that. System Activity usually shows a process 'RDD' consuming one core, and my fan starts going into warp speed again. Never happened before this last week or two. In both Thunderbird and Firefox I've turned off all studies, data collection, error reporting and whatnot to eliminate that. It could be that others have these symptoms but don't notice on their desktop fanless or soundproofed machines. What could be the cause? No I haven't yet filed any bug reports. I'm unsure if it could be openSUSE-specific, perhaps some other dependency like a graphics update that has nothing to do with Mozilla. Too many vague things to know where to even start. And no I haven't tried creating a blank profile because I can be almost certain nothing will go goofy in such an empty profile, and I don't want the inconvenience of setting up and receiving pop mail in a fresh instance and then having to merge it all back into my main mail at a later date. gumb

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Zoom on Tumbleweed
by Peter Suetterlin 02 Jun '22

02 Jun '22

Hi list, is anyone else having issues with the latest zoom (5.10.0-2450) on Tumbleweed? It keeps crashing on me, directly at start, even the crash report form doesn't stay on screen, but vanishes before I can type in anything.

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Re: Konversation
by Per Jessen 02 Jun '22

02 Jun '22

Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2022-05-28 11:44, Per Jessen wrote: >> Carlos E. R. wrote: >> >>> On 2022-05-28 10:22, Stefan Seyfried wrote: >>>> On 27.05.22 13:01, Lukáš Krejza wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, when you start Konversation, >>>> >>>> what is this "Konversation" thing? >>> >>> An IRC client that comes preconfigured on Leap, out of the box. >>> >>>> >>>> How can I scroll back in IRC to see what happened the last days? >>>> That's pretty crucial for a time-shifted (non realtime) >>>> communication channel. >>> >>> You can't. >> >> If Konversation remains open, you can scroll back. I have just >> scrolled back to 17 May. > > I can't. I see "now", and the text I got when I tested last night. This is going off-topic on project.lists, switching over to the general list. How long has your Konversation been open for? Mine has been open at least since 17 May. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.2°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes

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Alternatives to kwin?
by Peter Suetterlin 01 Jun '22

01 Jun '22

Hi list, are there any real alternatives to kwin when using plasma/KDE? That piece of ***** really drives me away from plasma more and more. It has always been a PITA that, e.g. when running some SDL1 game in ful screen, it went shuffling ALL windows in ALL desktops wildly around and not restoring positions when resolution is changed back. Now it also starts RESIZING them. Got an idea what that means on a work machine with a 5k screen and 6 virtual desktops? Has anyone used openbox with KDE? Is it usable?

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leap 15.3 - cups web-interface hanging up ?
by Per Jessen 31 May '22

31 May '22

I have just upgraded our printserver to Leap 15.3 and the cups web interface appears to hang up, often taking 20-30 seconds to load. At start-up, I see a couple of error messages in the log, but I think they're unrelated: E [31/May/2022:15:55:09 +0200] [CGI] cups-brf must be called as root E [31/May/2022:15:55:09 +0200] [cups-deviced] PID 11775 (cups-brf) stopped with status 1! E [31/May/2022:15:56:03 +0200] [cups-driverd] Bad driver information file \"/usr/share/cups/drv/cupsfilters.drv\"! E [31/May/2022:15:56:03 +0200] [cups-driverd] Bad driver information file \"/usr/share/cups/drv/generic-brf.drv\"! E [31/May/2022:15:56:03 +0200] [cups-driverd] Bad driver information file \"/usr/share/cups/drv/generic-ubrl.drv\"! E [31/May/2022:15:56:03 +0200] [cups-driverd] Bad driver information file \"/usr/share/cups/drv/indexv3.drv\"! E [31/May/2022:15:56:03 +0200] [cups-driverd] Bad driver information file \"/usr/share/cups/drv/indexv4.drv\"! E [31/May/2022:15:56:03 +0200] [cups-driverd] Bad driver information file \"/usr/share/cups/drv/sample.drv\"! -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.4°C)

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Why No gcc-arm-none-eabi package for Leap?
by David C. Rankin 29 May '22

29 May '22

All, Having installed to /opt on 15.0, I was hoping we might find a gcc-arm-none-eabi package for 15.4 given the increasing popularity (and dependence) on microcontrollers. There is a build service package available, but this seems like something openSUSE would want to package? Any thoughts on this? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

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Able of Difference:
by -pj 29 May '22

29 May '22

You know only Google, I like Yandex. I am not as smart as you ok so I stopped. I do care for Lenin and I respect others. I am not the best typer but I can try. Lenin will always be with Monoprice and others of the state and even Stasi. Don't need to pick on me when I use an OS but slam the libbies.

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Re: ways to contribute to openSUSE
by Carlos E. R. 28 May '22

28 May '22

On 2022-05-28 18:29, jdd(a)dodin.org wrote: > Le 28/05/2022 à 17:39, Carlos E. R. a écrit : > >> Millions of people living in the USA or Canada use SMS texting.They are >> not even aware of whatsapp (for example) or why would they be using it. >> > > I don't believe that. They may not use whats'app, but they certainly > know about it, as they know about facebook/messenger I know first hand. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from Elesar, using openSUSE Leap 15.3)

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